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(Radically redesigned forward smash chart; took out fully charged data, KO% data of sourspot hitboxes, and added KO% data with DI factored. Also done this to the Melee chart, which was a clusterfuck, and added a cleanup tag to the Melee chart.)
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These are charts showing the [[KO]] percentages of every [[forward smash]] as well as the base [[knockback]] and knockback scaling values of the strongest [[hitbox]] (or in the case of multi-hit smashes, the values of the final hit when all hits connect) for every character in the ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros. series]]''. The forward smashes are given a general rank in power in comparison to other forward smashes based on the knockback produced by their strongest hitbox at critical percentage.  
These are charts showing the post hit data (base knockback, knockback scaling, and [[KO]] percentages) of the strongest hitbox in every [[forward smash]] (or in the case of multi-hit smashes, the values of the final hit when all hits connect) for every character in the ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros. series]]''. The forward smashes are given a general rank in power in comparison to other forward smashes based on the knockback produced by their strongest hitbox at critical percentage.  


==Chart (SSB)==
==Chart (SSB)==
Note that in ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'', knockback values cannot be obtained, so instead the KO percentage is shown. KO percentages are estimated by the knockback on {{SSB|Mario}} in the center of [[Dream Land]].  
Note that in ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'', knockback values cannot be obtained, so only the KO percentages are shown. KO percentages are estimated by the knockback on {{SSB|Mario}} in the center of [[Dream Land]].  




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! Rank || Character || Strongest Hitbox damage || Strongest Hitbox KO percentage  
! Rank || Character || Strongest Hitbox damage || Strongest Hitbox KO percentage  
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|1.||Kirby || 17% || 80%  
|1.|| {{SSB|Kirby}} || 17% || 80%  
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|2.||Donkey Kong || 20% || 84%  
|2.|| {{SSB|Donkey Kong}} || 20% || 84%  
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|3.||Link || 20% || 90%  
|3.|| {{SSB|Link}} || 20% || 90%  
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|4.||Yoshi || 18% || 92%
|4.|| {{SSB|Yoshi}} || 18% || 92%
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|5-7.||Captain Falcon || 18% || 95%
|5.|| {{SSB|Captain Falcon}} || 18% || 95%
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|5-7.||Ness || 18% || 95%
|5.|| {{SSB|Ness}} || 18% || 95%
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|5-7.||Pikachu || 18% || 95%  
|5.|| {{SSB|Pikachu}} || 18% || 95%  
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|8.||Fox || 17% || 98%  
|8.|| {{SSB|Fox}} || 17% || 98%  
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|9-11.||Mario || 17% || 100%  
|9.|| {{SSB|Mario}} || 17% || 100%  
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|9-11.||Samus || 18% || 100%  
|9.|| {{SSB|Samus}} || 18% || 100%  
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|9-11.||Jigglypuff || 16% || 100%
|9.|| {{SSB|Jigglypuff}} || 16% || 100%
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|12.||Luigi || 15% || 105%
|12.|| {{SSB|Luigi}} || 15% || 105%
|}
|}


==Chart (SSBM)==
==Chart (SSBM)==
The following chart lists damages, KO percentages, and knockback values for the forward smashes in ''Melee''. This chart is by courtesy of [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] with the generous help of [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]]. The author has chosen to include ''Melee'' knockback units, though these units are known be somewhat unreliable.
{{cleanup|Data is unclear; on what character were these KO percentages and knockback values obtained from, and where in what stage are the KO percentages obtained from. The data also needs fact checking, as some of these do not look correct (such as Ness' having higher listed base knockback and knockback scaling values than several other f-smashes with a listed lower KO%). Additionally, what was done on the Brawl chart in regards to KO percentages should be done here.}}
 
The following chart lists the approximate KO percentages and the knockback values for the strongest hitbox of each forward smash in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'' (or in the case of multi-hitting smashes, the power of the attack if all hitboxes connect). For Link and Peach, each of their different forward smashes are represented on the chart separately. For the Ice Climbers, when both Climbers connect their forward smash and when only Popo connect it are represented separately.
 
The forward smashes are ranked by which KO the earliest.
 
=====Legend=====
*Ice Climbers
**P = only Popo lands his forward smash
**B = both Climbers land their smash
 
*Link
**1st = The first slash of Link's forward smash.
**2nd = The second slash of Link's forward smash.
 
*Peach
**T = Tennis racket
**G = Golf club
**P = Frying pan


{| class="wikitable sortable"
{| class="wikitable sortable"
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!Rank ||Character || Uncharged Other Hitbox damage|| Uncharged Strongest Hitbox damage || Fully Charged Other Hitbox damage || Fully Charged Strongest Hitbox damage|| Uncharged Other Hitboxes KO% || Uncharged Strongest Hitbox KO% || Fully Charged Other Hitboxes KO% || Fully Charged Strongest Hitbox KO% || Uncharged Base Knockback || Fully Charged Base Knockback || Uncharged Knockback Scaling || Fully Charged Knockback Scaling
!Rank ||Character || KO% || Base Knockback || Knockback Scaling
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|1.|| Bowser || NA || 24% || NA || 32% || NA || '''70%''' || NA || 35% || 49 || 68 || 1.21 || 1.28
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|2.|| Captain Falcon || NA || 20% || NA || 27% || NA || '''95%''' || NA || 57% || 38 || 52 || 0.82 || 1.10
|1.|| {{SSBM|Bowser}} || 70% || 49 || 1.21
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|3.|| Marth || 14% || 20% || 19% || 27% || 171% || '''96%''' || 122% || 59% || 63 || 73 || 0.59 || 0.87
|2.|| {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}} || 95% || 38 || 0.82
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|4.|| Pikachu || 18% || 21% || 24% || 28% || 137% || '''99%''' || 94% || 63% || 38 || 51 || 0.81 || 1.06
|3.|| {{SSBM|Marth}} || 96% || 63 || 0.59
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|5.|| Dr. Mario || NA || 19% || NA || 25% || NA || '''100%''' || NA || 70% || 40 || 51 || 0.78 || 1.1
|4.|| {{SSBM|Pikachu}} || 99% || 38 || 0.81
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|6.|| Jigglypuff || 13% || 17% || 17% || 23% || 166% || '''103%''' || 123% || 68% || 30 || 41 || 0.85 || 1.13
|5.|| {{SSBM|Dr. Mario}} || 100% || 40 || 0.78
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|7.|| Ganondorf || NA || 22% || NA || 30% || NA || '''105%''' || NA || 64% || 45 || 59 || 0.76 || 1.01
|6.|| {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} || 103% || 30 || 0.85
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|8.|| Roy || 12% || 20% || 16% || 27% || 266% || '''105%''' || 200% || 67% || 62 || 71 || 0.54 || 0.72
|7.|| {{SSBM|Ganondorf}} || 105% || 45 || 0.76
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|9.|| Donkey Kong || NA || 20% || NA || 27% || NA || '''107%''' || NA || 67% || 35 || 48 || 0.79 || 1.04
|8.|| {{SSBM|Roy}} || 105% || 62 || 0.54
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|10.|| Zelda || 14% || 16% || 19% || 22% || 112% || '''109%''' || 88% || 85% || 45 || 52 || 0.61 || 0.77
|9.|| {{SSBM|Donkey Kong}} || 107% || 35 || 0.79
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|11.|| Ness || 18% || 24% || 24% || 32% || 160% || '''110%''' || 110% || 75% || 48 || 59 || 0.95 || 1.00
|10.|| {{SSBM|Zelda}} || 109% || 45 || 0.61
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|12.|| Ice Climbers || NA || 26% || NA || 36% || NA || '''111%''' || NA || 69% || 49 || 62 || 0.64 || 0.84
|11.|| {{SSBM|Ness}} || 110% || 48 || 0.95
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|13.|| Pichu || 6% || 14% || 9% || 20% || 123% || '''112%''' || 90% || 82% || 71 || 75 || 0.43 || 0.54
|12.|| {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}} B || 111% || 49 || 0.64
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|14.|| Mr. Game & Watch || 6% || 18% || 8% || 24% || 300% || '''113%''' || 230% || 78% || 47 || 0.76 || 0.99
|13.|| {{SSBM|Pichu}} || 112% || 71 || 0.43
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|15.|| Link (second hit) || NA || 18% || NA || 18% || NA || '''116%''' || NA || 116% || 38 || 38 || 0.77 || 0.77
|14.|| {{SSBM|Mr. Game & Watch}} || 113%|| 47 || 0.76
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|16.|| Mario || 11% || 18% || 17% || 24% || 190% || '''120%''' || 145% || 75% || 35 || 45 || 0.77 || 0.94
|15.|| {{SSBM|Link}} 2nd || 116% || 38 || 0.77
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|17.|| Falco || 14% || 17% || 16% || 23% || 160% || '''120%''' || 105% || 78% || 41 || 50 || 0.65 || 0.86
|16.|| {{SSBM|Mario}} ||120% || 35 || 0.77
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|18.|| Luigi || NA || 13% || NA || 17% || NA || '''120%''' || NA || 88% || 33 || 40 || 0.77 || 0.98
|17.|| {{SSBM|Falco}} || 120% || 41 || 0.65
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|19.|| Popo || NA || 14% || NA || 19% || NA || '''123%''' || NA || 85% || 40 || 48 || 0.64 || 0.84
|18.|| {{SSBM|Luigi}} || 120% || 33 || 0.77
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|20.|| Yoshi || NA || 16% || NA || 21% || NA || '''130%''' || NA || 88% || 36 || 44 || 0.64 || 0.83
|19.|| {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}} P || 123% || 40 || 0.64
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|21.|| Samus || NA || 14% || NA || 19% || NA || '''130%''' || NA || 92% || 34 || 41 || 0.64 || 0.84
|20.|| {{SSBM|Yoshi}} || 130% || 36 || 0.64
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|22.|| Young Link (second hit) || 9% || 12% || 9% || 12% || 172% || '''130%''' || 172% || 130% || 35 || 35 || 0.64  
|21.|| {{SSBM|Samus}} || 130% || 34 || 0.64  
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|23.|| Fox || 12% || 15% || 16% || 20% || 200% || '''135%''' || 155% || 103% || 24 || 32 || 0.68 || 0.88
|22.|| {{SSBM|Young Link}} || 130% || 35 || 0.64
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|24.|| Kirby || 13% || 15% || 17% || 20% || 177% || '''140%''' || 132% || 99% || 30 || 38 || 0.63 || 0.80
|23.|| {{SSBM|Fox}} || 135% || 24 || 0.68
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|25.|| Mewtwo || 12% || 20% || 16% || 27% || 212% || '''141%''' || 157% || 94% || 31 || 0.78 || 44 || 1.03
|24.|| {{SSBM|Kirby}} || 140% || 30 || 0.63
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|26.|| Peach (Golf club) || 13% ||17% || 17% || 22% || 290% || '''165%''' || 220% || 135% || 50 || 54 || 0.36 || 0.48
|25.|| {{SSBM|Mewtwo}} || 141% || 31 || 0.78
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|27.|| Link (first hit) || 13% || 14% || 17%|| 19% || 188% || '''169%''' || 141% || 121% || 31 || 37 || 0.52 || 0.67
|26.|| {{SSBM|Peach}} G || 165% || 50 || 0.36
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|28.|| Peach (Frying Pan) || NA ||17% || NA || 23% || NA || '''210%''' || NA || 130% || 39 || 45 || 0.44 || 0.57
|27.|| Link 1st || 169% || 31 || 0.52
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|29.|| Sheik || 10% || 15% || 13% || 19% || 252% || '''246%''' || 197% || 192% || 37 || 39 || 0.32 || 0.40
|28.|| Peach P || 210% || 39 || 0.44
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|30.|| Peach (Tennis Racket) || NA || 12% || NA || 16% || NA || '''350%''' || NA || 265% || 48 || 49 || 0.18 || 0.24
|29.|| {{SSBM|Sheik}} || 246% || 37 || 0.32
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|31.|| Young Link (first hit) || NA || 10% || NA || 13% || NA || '''Cannot KO''' || NA || Cannot KO || 23 || 23 || 0.00 || 0.00
|30.|| Peach T || 350% || 48 || 0.18
|}
|}


==Chart (SSBB)==
==Chart (SSBB)==
The Uncharged Other Hitboxes section shows the KO percentages of the other hitboxes of the forward smash while uncharged. Note that if a forward smash contains only one hitbox, this section will read NA. Uncharged Strongest Hitbox shows the KO percentage of the strongest hitbox of the forward smash while uncharged. The Fully Charged Other Hitboxes section shows the KO percentages of the other hitboxes of the forward smash while fully charged. The Fully Charged Strongest Hitboxes section shows the KO percentage of the strongest hitbox of the forward smash while fully charged. Uncharged Base Knockback shows the base knockback value for the strongest hitbox of the forward smash while uncharged, and Fully Charged Base Knockback shows this value for when the forward smash is fully charged. Uncharged Knockback Scaling shows the knockback scaling value of the strongest hitbox of the forward smash while uncharged, and Fully Charged Knockback Scaling shows this value for when the forward smash is fully charged.
The following chart shows the power of the strongest hitbox of every character's forward smash in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'' (or in the case of multi-hitting forward smashes, the power of the attack if all hitboxes connect). For Olimar, Link, and Peach, each of their different forward smashes are represented on the chart separately. For the Ice Climbers, Popo and Nana have their forward smashes represented on the chart separately, as well as when both connect their forward smashes represented separately. In the case of Lucario, he is represented on the chart at minimum power, half power, and maximum power (however the chart does not take the [[aura|stock modifier]] into account).
 
Note that base knockback is the knockback produce by the hitbox at 0%, while knockback scaling is the knockback increase per percentage for the hitbox.


It should also be noted that if Lucario is behind by two [[stock]]s, his forward smash can KO even sooner than King Dedede's, though this chart doesn't factor in the stock modifier. Also note that only the primary hitbox is affected by charging in Zero Suit Samus' forward smash, even the sweetspot is not affected. So the main hitbox is the hitbox used in the strongest hitbox sections.
The data on the chart was collected from testing on {{SSBB|Mario}}, with the approximate KO percentages based from the center of {{SSBB|Final Destination}}. The forward smashes are ranked by which KO the earliest when the opponent doesn't [[DI]].


=====Legend=====
=====Legend=====
*General
**'''bold''' = Indicates the KO percentage of the strongest hitbox in the forward smash.
**/ = Indicates a different hitbox of the forward smash.
**MH = Indicates that the character's forward smash consists of two or more hits. Link's forward smash isn't considered in this category because each of his two slashes have KO power and unless the opponent is at extremely low damage percentages, it's impossible to land both hits consecutively in the same smash.
**w = [[sourspot]]
**s = [[sweet spot]]
**a = All hits of a multi-hit smash land.
**u = Indicates forward smash is aimed up. Not listed unless it results in a difference of power.
*Lucario
*Lucario
**0% = Lucario's damage at 0%
**0% = Lucario's damage at 0%
**91% = Lucario's damage at 91%
**85% = Lucario's damage at 85%
**182% = Lucario's damage at 182%
**170% = Lucario's damage at 170%


*Olimar
*Olimar
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*Ice Climbers
*Ice Climbers
**P = only Popo lands his forward smash
**N = only Nana lands her forward smash
**B = both Climbers land their smash
**B = both Climbers land their smash
**S = only Popo lands his forward smash


*Link
*Link
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! Rank || Character || Uncharged Other Hitboxes || Uncharged Strongest Hitbox || Fully Charged Other Hitboxes || Fully Charged Strongest Hitbox || Uncharged Base Knockback || Fully Charged Base Knockback || Uncharged Knockback Scaling || Fully Charged Knockback Scaling
! Rank || Character ||{{rollover|Base knockback|Knockback velocity on Mario at 0%|y}}||{{rollover|Knockback scaling|How much knockback velocity increases per percent on Mario|y}}||{{rollover|KO percent with poor DI|The percent the hitbox reaches 5750 in knockback velocity on Mario, which KOs from the center of FD with the standard horizontal trajectory when DI'd down|y}}||{{rollover|KO percent with no DI|The percent the hitbox reaches 6200 in knockback velocity on Mario, which KOs from the center of FD with the standard horizontal trajectory when not DI'd|y}}||{{rollover|KO percent with good DI|The percent the hitbox reaches 6825 in knockback velocity on Mario, which KOs from the center of FD with the standard horizontal trajectory when DI'd away|y}}
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|1. || {{SSBB|King Dedede}} || 157% w || '''56%''' s || 106% w || '''25%''' s || '''3698''' || '''4989''' || '''55.76''' || '''76.42'''
|1. || {{SSBB|King Dedede}} || 3698 || 55.76 || 36.80% || 44.87% || 56.08%
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|2. || {{SSBB|Ike}} || 96% w || '''58%''' || 59% w || '''28%''' || '''3510''' || '''4719''' || '''57.17''' || '''78.21'''
|2. || {{SSBB|Ike}} || 3510 || 57.17 || 39.18% || 47.05% || 57.98%
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|3. || {{SSBB|Snake}} || NA || '''65%''' || NA || '''33%''' || '''4361''' || '''5086''' || '''34.30''' || '''46.93'''
|3. || {{SSBB|Snake}} || 4361 || 34.30 || 40.50% || 53.62% || 71.84%
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|4. || {{SSBB|Lucario}} 182% || 97% w || '''81%''' || 58% w || '''44%''' || '''2615''' || '''3780''' || '''54.06''' || '''73.98'''
|4. || {{SSBB|Lucario}} 170% || 2615 || 54.06 || 57.99% || 66.32% || 77.86%
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|5. || {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}} || 97% w / 89% || '''83%''' s || 59% w / 52% || '''47%''' s || '''2646''' || '''3683''' || '''51.49''' || '''70.37'''
|5. || {{SSBB|Ganondorf}} || 2743 || 51.42 || 58.48% || 67.23% || 79.39%
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|6.(MH) || {{SSBB|Bowser}} || 121% w / 94% || '''84%''' a || 74% w / 57%  || '''40%''' a || '''2946''' || '''4479''' || '''48.25''' || '''66.07'''
|6. || {{SSBB|Bowser}} || 2946 || 48.24 || 58.13% || 67.45% || 80.41%
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|7. || {{SSBB|Ganondorf}} || 98% || '''85%''' s || 56% || '''46%''' s || '''2743''' || '''3933''' || '''51.42''' || '''70.48'''
|7. || {{SSBB|Mr. Game & Watch}} || 2996 || 46.65 || 59.04% || 68.68% || 82.08%
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|8. || {{SSBB|Marth}} || 151% w || '''86%''' s || 103% w || '''50%''' s || '''3680''' || '''4315''' || '''35.00''' || '''47.72'''
|8. || {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}} || 2646 || 51.49 || 60.28% || 69.02% || 81.16%
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|9.(MH) || {{SSBB|Charizard}} || 95% || '''90%''' a || 57% || '''50%''' a || '''2880''' || '''3804''' || '''44.31''' || '''60.24'''
|9. || {{SSBB|Luigi}} || 2286 || 54.58 || 63.47% || 71.71% || 83.16%
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|10. || {{SSBB|Luigi}} || 108% || '''92%''' u || 71% || '''57%''' u || '''2286''' || '''3057''' || '''54.58''' || '''73.95'''
|10. || {{SSBB|Marth}} || 3680 || 35.00 || 59.14% || 72.00% || 89.86%
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|11. || {{SSBB|Mr. Game & Watch}} || NA || '''102%''' || NA || '''63%''' || '''2996''' || '''3795''' || '''46.65''' || '''63.52'''
|11. || {{SSBB|Charizard}} || 2880 || 44.31 || 64.77% || 74.93% || 89.03%
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|12. || {{SSBB|Ness}} || 146% w / 115% || '''102%''' s || 95% w / 69% || '''59%''' s || '''2938''' || '''3827''' || '''38.41''' || '''52.64'''
|12. || {{SSBB|Link}} 2nd || 2317 || 47.15 || 72.81% || 82.35% || 95.61%
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|13. || {{SSBB|Lucas}} || NA || '''105%''' || NA || '''68%''' || '''2842''' || '''3505''' || '''37.18''' || '''48.20'''
|13. || {{SSBB|Ness}} || 2938 || 38.41 || 73.21% || 84.93% || 101.20%
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|14. || {{SSBB|Kirby}} || 154% w / 147% wu / 114% || '''112%''' u || 106% w / 102% wu / 74% || '''72%''' u || '''2523''' || '''3170''' || '''42.82''' || '''58.13'''
|14. || {{SSBB|Kirby}} || 2523 || 42.82 || 75.36% || 85.87% || 100.47%
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|15. || {{SSBB|Mario}} || 131% / 121% / 120% s || '''112%''' su || 88% / 80% u / 77% s || '''71%''' su || '''2136''' || '''2870''' || '''42.84''' || '''58.34'''
|15. || {{SSBB|Lucas}} || 2842 || 37.18 || 78.21% || 90.32% || 107.13%
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|16. || {{SSBB|Olimar}} P || 160% w / 128% || '''112%''' s || 110% w / 84% || '''70%''' s || '''2049''' || '''2824''' || '''45.22''' || '''61.58'''
|16. || {{SSBB|Olimar}} P || 2049 || 45.22 || 81.84% || 91.80% || 105.62%
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|17. || {{SSBB|Link}} 2nd || 141% || '''113%''' s || 93% || '''69%''' s || '''2317''' || '''3219''' || '''47.15''' || '''64.37'''
|17. || {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} || 2072 || 44.53 || 82.60% || 92.70% || 106.74%
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|18. || Lucario 91% || 141% w || '''122%''' || 92% w || '''76%''' || '''2101''' || '''2786''' || '''42.23''' || '''57.42'''
|18. || {{SSBB|Mario}} || 2136 || 42.84 || 84.36% || 94.86% || 109.45%
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|19.(MH) || {{SSBB|Toon Link}} || 129% || '''116%''' a || 87% || '''72%''' a || '''2557''' || '''3368''' || '''37.78''' || '''50.97'''
|19. || {{SSBB|Pikachu}} || 3208 || 31.43 || 80.88% || 95.20% || 115.08%
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|20. || {{SSBB|Ivysaur}} || NA || '''119%''' || NA || '''77%''' || '''1930''' || '''2571''' || '''42.39''' || '''57.54'''
|20. || {{SSBB|Toon Link}} || 2557 || 37.78 || 84.52% || 96.43% || 112.97%
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|21. || {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} || 125% || '''121%''' u || 80% || '''75%''' u || '''2072''' || '''2924''' || '''44.53''' || '''60.79'''
|21. || Lucario 85% || 2069 || 41.36 || 89.00% || 99.88% || 114.99%
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|22. || {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} || 209% w || '''121%''' || 147% w || '''79%''' || '''1660''' || '''2327''' || '''44.10''' || '''59.87'''
|22. || {{SSBB|Ivysaur}} || 1930 || 42.39 || 90.12% || 100.73% || 115.48%
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|23. || {{SSBB|Wario}} || NA || '''124%''' || NA || '''78%''' || '''2180''' || '''2878''' || '''38.50''' || '''52.49'''
|23. || {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} || 1660 || 44.10 || 92.74% || 102.95% || 117.12%
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|24.(MH) || {{SSBB|Zelda}} || 128% || '''124%''' a || 87% || '''82%''' a || '''2188''' || '''2782''' || '''37.43''' || '''50.48'''
|24. || {{SSBB|Wario}} || 2180 || 38.50 || 92.73% || 104.42% || 120.65%
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|25. || {{SSBB|Pikachu}} || 224% w / 141% || '''125%''' s || 157% w / 94% || '''78%''' s || '''3208''' || '''3809''' || '''31.43''' || '''42.91'''
|25. || {{SSBB|Zelda}} || 2188 || 37.43 || 95.16% || 107.19% || 123.88%
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|26. || {{SSBB|Peach}} T || 235% || '''118%''' s || 167% || '''79%''' s || '''2354''' || '''2787''' || '''35.65''' || '''48.08'''
|26. || {{SSBB|Peach}} T || 2354 || 35.65 || 95.26% || 107.88% || 125.41%
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|27. || {{SSBB|Falco}} || 229% w || '''126%''' || 165% w || '''84%''' || '''2359''' || '''2861''' || '''35.57''' || '''48.20'''
|27. || {{SSBB|Falco}} || 2359 || 35.57 || 95.33% || 107.98% || 125.56%
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|28.(MH) || {{SSBB|Pit}} || 135% || '''128%''' a || 92% || '''82%''' a || '''2309''' || '''2941''' || '''35.91''' || '''48.31'''
|28. || {{SSBB|Pit}} || 2309 || 35.91 || 95.82% || 108.35% || 125.76%
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|29. || {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} || 162% wB / 145% B / 139% wS || '''128%''' S || 109% wB / 94% B / 96% wS || '''87%''' S || '''2086''' || '''2539''' || '''37.43''' || '''50.49'''
|29. || {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} P || 2086 || 37.43 || 97.89% || 109.91% || 126.61%
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|30. || {{SSBB|Sonic}} || NA || '''129%''' || NA || '''87%''' || '''2082''' || '''2571''' || '''37.28''' || '''50.40'''
|30. || {{SSBB|Sonic}} || 2082 || 37.28 || 98.39% || 110.46% || 127.23%
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|31. || {{SSBB|Yoshi}} || NA || '''130%''' || NA || '''86%''' || '''1839''' || '''2435''' || '''39.39''' || '''53.47'''
|31. || {{SSBB|Yoshi}} || 1839 || 39.39 || 99.29% || 110.71% || 126.58%
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|32. || {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} || NA || '''130%''' || NA || '''87%''' || '''2029''' || '''2523''' || '''37.66''' || '''50.91'''
|32. || {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} || 2029 || 37.66 || 98.81% || 110.75% || 127.35%
|-
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|33. || {{SSBB|Samus}} || 147% || '''136%''' u || 101% || '''91%''' u || '''1783''' || '''2282''' || '''38.03''' || '''51.43'''
|33. || Ice Climbers B || 2461 || 33.59 || 97.92% || 111.31% || 129.92%
|-
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|34. || {{SSBB|Squirtle}} || NA || '''138%''' || NA || '''93%''' || '''1718''' || '''2218''' || '''38.04''' || '''51.43'''
|34. || {{SSBB|Samus}} || 1783 || 38.03 || 104.31% || 116.15% || 132.58%
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|35. || {{SSBB|R.O.B.}} || 163% w / 151% || '''139%''' s || 114% w / 103% || '''94%''' s || '''1993''' || '''2467''' || '''36.13''' || '''48.86'''
|35. || {{SSBB|R.O.B.}} || 1993 || 36.13 || 103.99% || 116.44% || 133.74%
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|36. || Link 1st || 149% w || '''138%''' || 101% w || '''92%''' || '''1900''' || '''2414''' || '''36.38''' || '''49.30'''
|36. || {{SSBB|Squirtle}} || 1718 || 38.04 || 105.99% || 117.82% || 134.25%
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|37. || {{SSBB|Fox}} || 179% w || '''142%''' || 126% w || '''95%''' || '''1490''' || '''2038''' || '''38.81''' || '''52.58'''
|37. || {{SSBB|Diddy Kong}} || 2416 || 32.08 || 103.93% || 117.96% || 137.44%
|-
|-
|38. || Olimar R || 236% w / 180% || '''142''' s || 172% w / 127% || '''95%''' s || '''1490''' || '''2038''' || '''38.81''' || '''52.58'''
|38. || Link 1st || 1900 || 36.38 || 105.83% || 118.20% || 135.38%
|-
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|39. || Olimar B || 330% w / 196% || '''142''' s || 250% w / 139% || '''95%''' s || '''1490''' || '''2038''' || '''38.81''' || '''52.58'''
|39. || {{SSBB|Fox}} || 1490 || 38.81 || 109.77% || 121.36% || 137.46%
|-
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|40.(MH) || {{SSBB|Diddy Kong}} || 148% || '''143''' a || 102% || '''95%''' a || '''2416''' || '''2955''' || '''32.08''' || '''43.27'''
|39. || Olimar R || 1490 || 38.81 || 109.77% || 121.36% || 137.46%
|-
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|41. || Peach P || NA || '''150%''' || NA || '''99%''' || '''1972''' || '''2526''' || '''32.37''' || '''44.08'''
|39. || Olimar B || 1490 || 38.81 || 109.77% || 121.36% || 137.46%
|-
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|42. || Peach G || NA || '''154%''' || NA || '''104%''' || '''2462''' || '''2861''' || '''28.30''' || '''38.84'''
|42. || Ice Climbers N || 2003 || 33.59 || 111.55% || 124.95% || 143.55%
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|43.(MH) || {{SSBB|Wolf}} || 165% || '''160%''' a || 117% || '''110%''' a || '''2056''' || '''2506''' || '''30.18''' || '''40.32'''
|43. || Peach P || 1972 || 32.37 || 116.71% || 130.61% || 149.92%
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|44.(MH) || {{SSBB|Sheik}} || 166% || '''161%''' a || 119% || '''112%''' a || '''2573''' || '''2904''' || '''26.08''' || '''34.69'''
|44. || Peach G || 2462 || 28.30 || 116.18% || 132.08% || 154.17%
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|45. || {{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}} || 263% w / 187% / 155% s || '''176%''' || NA || '''127%''' || '''1780''' || '''2050''' || '''28.57''' || '''38.04'''
|45. || {{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}} || 2008 || 30.86 || 121.26% || 135.84% || 156.09%
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|46. || Lucario 0% || 205% w || '''179%''' || 146% w || '''127%''' || '''1687''' || '''1988''' || '''29.15''' || '''39.11'''
|46. || {{SSBB|Wolf}} || 2056 || 30.18 || 122.40% || 137.31% || 158.02%
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|47. || Olimar W || 628% w / 389% || '''287%''' s || 505% w / 295% || '''211%''' s || '''983''' || '''1153''' || '''20.86''' || '''27.75'''
|47. || {{SSBB|Sheik}} || 2573 || 26.08 || 121.82% || 139.07% || 163.04%
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|48. || Lucario 0% || 1687 || 29.15 || 139.38% || 154.82% || 176.26%
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|49. || Olimar W || 983 || 20.86 || 228.52% || 250.10% || 280.06%
|}
|}
*All data is from research carried out by SmashWiki user [[User:Omega Tyrant/Contributions#Forward_smash_chart|Omega Tyrant]].


==See Also==
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Revision as of 05:03, June 20, 2013

These are charts showing the post hit data (base knockback, knockback scaling, and KO percentages) of the strongest hitbox in every forward smash (or in the case of multi-hit smashes, the values of the final hit when all hits connect) for every character in the Super Smash Bros. series. The forward smashes are given a general rank in power in comparison to other forward smashes based on the knockback produced by their strongest hitbox at critical percentage.

Chart (SSB)

Note that in Super Smash Bros., knockback values cannot be obtained, so only the KO percentages are shown. KO percentages are estimated by the knockback on Mario in the center of Dream Land.


Rank Character Strongest Hitbox damage Strongest Hitbox KO percentage
1. Kirby 17% 80%
2. Donkey Kong 20% 84%
3. Link 20% 90%
4. Yoshi 18% 92%
5. Captain Falcon 18% 95%
5. Ness 18% 95%
5. Pikachu 18% 95%
8. Fox 17% 98%
9. Mario 17% 100%
9. Samus 18% 100%
9. Jigglypuff 16% 100%
12. Luigi 15% 105%

Chart (SSBM)

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The following chart lists the approximate KO percentages and the knockback values for the strongest hitbox of each forward smash in Super Smash Bros. Melee (or in the case of multi-hitting smashes, the power of the attack if all hitboxes connect). For Link and Peach, each of their different forward smashes are represented on the chart separately. For the Ice Climbers, when both Climbers connect their forward smash and when only Popo connect it are represented separately.

The forward smashes are ranked by which KO the earliest.

Legend
  • Ice Climbers
    • P = only Popo lands his forward smash
    • B = both Climbers land their smash
  • Link
    • 1st = The first slash of Link's forward smash.
    • 2nd = The second slash of Link's forward smash.
  • Peach
    • T = Tennis racket
    • G = Golf club
    • P = Frying pan
Rank Character KO% Base Knockback Knockback Scaling
1. Bowser 70% 49 1.21
2. Captain Falcon 95% 38 0.82
3. Marth 96% 63 0.59
4. Pikachu 99% 38 0.81
5. Dr. Mario 100% 40 0.78
6. Jigglypuff 103% 30 0.85
7. Ganondorf 105% 45 0.76
8. Roy 105% 62 0.54
9. Donkey Kong 107% 35 0.79
10. Zelda 109% 45 0.61
11. Ness 110% 48 0.95
12. Ice Climbers B 111% 49 0.64
13. Pichu 112% 71 0.43
14. Mr. Game & Watch 113% 47 0.76
15. Link 2nd 116% 38 0.77
16. Mario 120% 35 0.77
17. Falco 120% 41 0.65
18. Luigi 120% 33 0.77
19. Ice Climbers P 123% 40 0.64
20. Yoshi 130% 36 0.64
21. Samus 130% 34 0.64
22. Young Link 130% 35 0.64
23. Fox 135% 24 0.68
24. Kirby 140% 30 0.63
25. Mewtwo 141% 31 0.78
26. Peach G 165% 50 0.36
27. Link 1st 169% 31 0.52
28. Peach P 210% 39 0.44
29. Sheik 246% 37 0.32
30. Peach T 350% 48 0.18

Chart (SSBB)

The following chart shows the power of the strongest hitbox of every character's forward smash in Super Smash Bros. Brawl (or in the case of multi-hitting forward smashes, the power of the attack if all hitboxes connect). For Olimar, Link, and Peach, each of their different forward smashes are represented on the chart separately. For the Ice Climbers, Popo and Nana have their forward smashes represented on the chart separately, as well as when both connect their forward smashes represented separately. In the case of Lucario, he is represented on the chart at minimum power, half power, and maximum power (however the chart does not take the stock modifier into account).

The data on the chart was collected from testing on Mario, with the approximate KO percentages based from the center of Final Destination. The forward smashes are ranked by which KO the earliest when the opponent doesn't DI.

Legend
  • Lucario
    • 0% = Lucario's damage at 0%
    • 85% = Lucario's damage at 85%
    • 170% = Lucario's damage at 170%
  • Olimar
    • W = White Pikmin
    • Y = Yellow Pikmin
    • B = Blue Pikmin
    • R = Red Pikmin
    • P = Purple Pikmin
  • Ice Climbers
    • P = only Popo lands his forward smash
    • N = only Nana lands her forward smash
    • B = both Climbers land their smash
  • Link
    • 1st = The first slash of Link's forward smash.
    • 2nd = The second slash of Link's forward smash.
  • Peach
    • T = Tennis racket
    • G = Golf club
    • P = Frying pan
Rank Character Base knockback Knockback scaling KO percent with poor DI KO percent with no DI KO percent with good DI
1. King Dedede 3698 55.76 36.80% 44.87% 56.08%
2. Ike 3510 57.17 39.18% 47.05% 57.98%
3. Snake 4361 34.30 40.50% 53.62% 71.84%
4. Lucario 170% 2615 54.06 57.99% 66.32% 77.86%
5. Ganondorf 2743 51.42 58.48% 67.23% 79.39%
6. Bowser 2946 48.24 58.13% 67.45% 80.41%
7. Mr. Game & Watch 2996 46.65 59.04% 68.68% 82.08%
8. Donkey Kong 2646 51.49 60.28% 69.02% 81.16%
9. Luigi 2286 54.58 63.47% 71.71% 83.16%
10. Marth 3680 35.00 59.14% 72.00% 89.86%
11. Charizard 2880 44.31 64.77% 74.93% 89.03%
12. Link 2nd 2317 47.15 72.81% 82.35% 95.61%
13. Ness 2938 38.41 73.21% 84.93% 101.20%
14. Kirby 2523 42.82 75.36% 85.87% 100.47%
15. Lucas 2842 37.18 78.21% 90.32% 107.13%
16. Olimar P 2049 45.22 81.84% 91.80% 105.62%
17. Captain Falcon 2072 44.53 82.60% 92.70% 106.74%
18. Mario 2136 42.84 84.36% 94.86% 109.45%
19. Pikachu 3208 31.43 80.88% 95.20% 115.08%
20. Toon Link 2557 37.78 84.52% 96.43% 112.97%
21. Lucario 85% 2069 41.36 89.00% 99.88% 114.99%
22. Ivysaur 1930 42.39 90.12% 100.73% 115.48%
23. Jigglypuff 1660 44.10 92.74% 102.95% 117.12%
24. Wario 2180 38.50 92.73% 104.42% 120.65%
25. Zelda 2188 37.43 95.16% 107.19% 123.88%
26. Peach T 2354 35.65 95.26% 107.88% 125.41%
27. Falco 2359 35.57 95.33% 107.98% 125.56%
28. Pit 2309 35.91 95.82% 108.35% 125.76%
29. Ice Climbers P 2086 37.43 97.89% 109.91% 126.61%
30. Sonic 2082 37.28 98.39% 110.46% 127.23%
31. Yoshi 1839 39.39 99.29% 110.71% 126.58%
32. Meta Knight 2029 37.66 98.81% 110.75% 127.35%
33. Ice Climbers B 2461 33.59 97.92% 111.31% 129.92%
34. Samus 1783 38.03 104.31% 116.15% 132.58%
35. R.O.B. 1993 36.13 103.99% 116.44% 133.74%
36. Squirtle 1718 38.04 105.99% 117.82% 134.25%
37. Diddy Kong 2416 32.08 103.93% 117.96% 137.44%
38. Link 1st 1900 36.38 105.83% 118.20% 135.38%
39. Fox 1490 38.81 109.77% 121.36% 137.46%
39. Olimar R 1490 38.81 109.77% 121.36% 137.46%
39. Olimar B 1490 38.81 109.77% 121.36% 137.46%
42. Ice Climbers N 2003 33.59 111.55% 124.95% 143.55%
43. Peach P 1972 32.37 116.71% 130.61% 149.92%
44. Peach G 2462 28.30 116.18% 132.08% 154.17%
45. Zero Suit Samus 2008 30.86 121.26% 135.84% 156.09%
46. Wolf 2056 30.18 122.40% 137.31% 158.02%
47. Sheik 2573 26.08 121.82% 139.07% 163.04%
48. Lucario 0% 1687 29.15 139.38% 154.82% 176.26%
49. Olimar W 983 20.86 228.52% 250.10% 280.06%

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