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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week this forum hosts a tussle between two characters, items, stages or anything else from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you don't have to have an account to vote! Though new requests for fights can no longer be made, voting on already existing requests can be done here.

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Round 165: Wii Remote vs. Nunchuk vs. Classic Controller vs. GameCube Controller

Winner!! undecided ~ to ~ to ~ to ~
The first four-fold fight is up. Which way of Wii control is preferred?
Votes for Wii Remote I'm way too used to using this controller. 204.191.140.194 13:23, 24 November 2012 (EST) Hah! I pity the fool...er, second-fool. --68.43.192.71 13:32, 24 November 2012 (EST) We can move it around anywhere! The Awesome 23:10, 24 November 2012 (EST) it's the simplest. Floor2000x (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2012 (EST) Can't start the game without it. 129.128.29.72 10:16, 29 November 2012 (EST) Half votes Who hasn't used this one.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.175.213 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 November 2012 (EST)	Votes for Nunchuk That's right. This is how I play Brawl. Come at me. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 11:02, 24 November 2012 (EST) Whoa, I suggested this! Anyway, I'm voting for this because the Nunchuk is the best controller scheme, despite what the Melee fans might tell you. Air Conditioner I FEEL FANTASTIC 14:07, 24 November 2012 (EST) I use this control scheme. Mr. Anontalk 18:14, 24 November 2012 (EST) As do I. --RoyboyX Talk 18:17, 24 November 2012 (EST) Same here.Brawls of fury (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2012 (EST) Ditto. 108.14.75.62 21:37, 24 November 2012 (EST) I'm too used to these controls to vote against it.--72.67.142.81 00:16, 26 November 2012 (EST) Just like the word nunchucks. 142.244.213.76 14:27, 27 November 2012 (EST) You can actually roll with this68.115.61.130 10:04, 30 November 2012 (EST) Half-Votes I played with this from the beginning & i have ever since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.82.206 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 28 November 2012 (EST)	Votes for Classic Controller Please. I use this with my computer, and it is quite fun, especially with when browsing the web, emulation and playing PC games. Fugudev 15:17, 24 November 2012 (EST) Only one I know how to use, and I use it well. Naked Snake 20:27, 25 November 2012 (EST)	Votes for GameCube Controller Can be used in all three games thanks to the Virtual Console. Toadat9021doh (talk) 10:58, 24 November 2012 (EST) .This is the one controller that I remember holding a lot, since I used to love playing my GameCube (and still do), and I still love using it on my Wii. --Airconny (talk) 11:03, 24 November 2012 (EST) Always going to stick with this controller, which almost makes me reluctant to buy a Wii U. The GameCube controller is also perhaps the most used in Smash competitive gaming. I don't think many people are used to play with a Wiimote or Wiimote and Nunchuck and I don't even have a classic controller. Dots The Thanksgiving 11:04, 24 November 2012 (EST) The sole reason I am not going to perform a Wii to Wii U system transfer. I can't leave this controller behind. Wii Remote and Wii Remote + Nunchuck's difficulty with smash attacks are problematic, and the Classic Controller, while decent, has a few flaws, such as the control sticks being too tall for the comfort of my thumbs. Perhaps when somebody makes an unofficial GameCube controller/port for Wii U, I will (I have faith this will happen). I already reckon I'll be using the Wii U GamePad for SSB4, however. Toast ltimatum 11:24, 24 November 2012 (EST) Once you play Melee, you can't stop using this controller. Terrible is Thanksgiving 12:18, 24 November 2012 (EST) Mine broke, I stink at Smash Bros. now.The Cheese 12:48, 24 November 2012 (EST) No contest. ShupaRoeh 13:36, 24 November 2012 (EST) Do I even need to say why this one's the best? Also, how come my buddy Supersmash4 isn't allowed to vote in these anymore? Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:02, 24 November 2012 (EST) I don't know how I was ever able to use the Wii Remote and Nunchuk back when I first got this game. I always use the Gamecube Controller. ChuckNorris 14:06, 24 November 2012 (EST) I will never part with this controller. The GameCube was my first system (MK:DD being my first game), and I am still inseparable from this controller and many GameCube games. Plus, I can play all 3 Smash games with it! DarkFox01: Gobblegobblegobble 16:21, 24 November 2012 (EST) I feel comfortable with the GCN controller; the Nunchuk and Wiimote to play Brawl will only cause me pain. 67.166.229.4 19:49, 24 November 2012 (EST) I was always comfortable using this controller, and I'm the best with this out of all of the 4 ways to play Brawl. Too bad the same can't be said for the Wii U. :( Smash Master 20:21, 24 November 2012 (EST) Most optimal design for tech skill and probably the only viable controller in competitive play, except perhaps the wii-mote + nunchuk. Then again only 2 professionals use wiimote and nunchuk (UltimateRazer and Tearbear).--BrianDon't try me! 23:23, 24 November 2012 (EST) Wiimote alone is just terrible and should have never been an option; Wiichuck takes significant getting used to; CC lacks durability and requires you to lug the Wiimote along with it; GCN has the optimal design without any of the hassle, and can last you years. Omega Tyrant 01:52, 25 November 2012 (EST) Sooooooo much better. Shanderu 18:10, 25 November 2012 (EST) Definitely prefer the GameCube controller, it's the most comfortable and effective controller for the SSB games. 110.174.90.69 21:18, 25 November 2012 (EST) We're all Smash veterans here! 86.132.129.34 03:14, 27 November 2012 (EST) ...do I have to say anything? Ok then WHY DO I HAVE TO FIND MY WIIMOTE TO PLAY BRAWL?! LightningBlue 23:23, 28 November 2012 (EST) Can be used with both Melee and Brawl.SuperBowser (talk) 05:20, 30 November 2012 (EST) Half-Votes Without a doubt this controller! TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2012 (EST) Best controller yet and can play ALL 3 SMASH GAMES —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reese22222 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 30 November 2012 (EST)
Comments @Fugudev: I use my GameCube controller on my laptop too, it's indispensable for my LP'ing, when you consider how loud the keyboard would be when the microphone is inside the laptop, and I can also imagine that when I eventually get around to playing Super Smash Flash 2 with this controller, it'll be ever so much more useful than the keys. I can't say I've ever heard of a port that lets you plug a Classic Controller into a computer, only Nintendo controllers at and predating GameCube, and those of the other consoles. Toast ltimatum 18:00, 24 November 2012 (EST) @Omega Tyrant: The standalone Wii remote was an option because I wanted to include all four controller schemes, and if I left out any one, people who use said controller would whine about it. Air Conditioner likes pie 12:56, 25 November 2012 (EST) I believe OT means the Wii Remote being a control scheme in the game altogether. I'm fine with it, some casuals want to be authentic, it just so happens the control scheme is poor. Toast ltimatum 12:59, 25 November 2012 (EST) This is correct, but my brief reasoning why it shouldn't have been included; the controller is vastly inferior to the others (and cannot really handle Smash), and it causes a few people to spend their time getting used to a controller they can barely play the game with, while there was really no reason to include it as an option (Wiichuck is standard with the Wii and every Wii owner should have one, so making Wiimote useuable wasn't necessary for ensuring every Wii owner could play). Omega Tyrant 01:13, 26 November 2012 (EST) I just want to make it clear that Brawl is the only game where I have a problem with the Wiimote. But that's only because Smash attacks are harder on the Wii Remote. I konw this sounds unnecessary, but I don't want people thinking I'm one of those gamers who can't play any game unless the controller is absolutely normal. Nintendosega75 (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2012 (EST) You can't play Brawl on the Wiimote not because it's not a "normal controller", but the for the fact the controller is completely unable to properly handle a game like Brawl. And who cares if you prefer to not limit yourself and use "normal controllers"? Being able to control the game properly is the most important aspect to any game. As for Supersmash4, look at his talkpage. Omega Tyrant 03:40, 27 November 2012 (EST) @LightningBlue Because you can't load the game without it. Toast ltimatum 04:36, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Round 164: Sonic vs. Shadow

File:Modern Sonic.png		Winner!! Sonic File:Modern Sonic.png 20.5 to 12.5
Your garden-variety good guy vs. bad clone matchup - no explanation needed. Vote!
Votes for Sonic Sonic is faster!! The Awesome 10:36, 17 November 2012 (EST) I like him more. 204.191.140.194 11:48, 17 November 2012 (EST) I would vote for Shadow, but Sonic actually has been having some decent games lately. Also, Shadow seems very uninspired. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:16, 17 November 2012 (EST) Despite his games being sluggish and that his attacks don't have much knockback, Sonic would always be cool to me since 1991. Dots The Thanksgiving 12:18, 17 November 2012 (EST) To spare RD the anguish of eyes stabbed out by a dull spoon. --RoyboyX Talk 12:20, 17 November 2012 (EST) The older, the better! PepsiBoy I am back! 12:23, 17 November 2012 (EST) Because... his image is transparent. Toast ltimatum 12:43, 17 November 2012 (EST) I don't really like Sonic, but I really don't like Shadow. Omega Tyrant 12:46, 17 November 2012 (EST) His series was epic, especially in late 2011. ShupaRoeh 12:51, 17 November 2012 (EST) Sonic is better. 108.162.156.108 14:01, 17 November 2012 (EST) I... can't see anything...The Cheese 14:20, 17 November 2012 (EST) Sonic is my 2nd favorite character. Smash Master 09:55, 18 November 2012 (EST) Nothing wrong with Shadow, for his role, he's perfect, I just like Sonic more, that's all! TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2012 (EST) 142.244.109.159 11:36, 19 November 2012 (EST) You're too slow! SSBBNess (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2012 (EST) Have always preferred Sonic to Shadow. 110.174.90.69 18:12, 20 November 2012 (EST) Kids, there's nothing more cool than being hugged by someone you like. But if someone tries to touch you in a place or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's no good. It's your body; no one has the right to touch you if you don't want them to! So what do you do? First, you say 'No!' Then, you get outta there! Most important, you gotta tell someone you trust, like your parents, your teacher, a police officer. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 23:11, 20 November 2012 (EST) This shall be a pity vote. I'm not much of a Sonic player due to his rock-bottom move set and KO potential in relation to every other character, but at the same time, Shadow does nothing to damage anyone, let alone KO. 67.166.229.4 20:43, 21 November 2012 (EST) --TommyNook (talk) 11:07, 22 November 2012 (EST) Half-Votes Sonic is actually playable and shadow is rubbish —Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎95.149.41.231 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 17 November 2012 (EST) sonic rocks—Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.69.210 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 November,2012 (EST) Sonic is the best videogame character yet by my opinion (and mario, but right now, this is about Sonic.).-Kaizer24.185.135.102 18:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)			Votes for Shadow He has a gun! Terrible is Thanksgiving 10:27, 17 November 2012 (EST) He's the only Sonic newcomer I want in SSB4. Most people are wanting Dr. Eggman, but come on, he's a boss not a playable character. Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:46, 17 November 2012 (EST) I was going to vote for Sonic, but I forgot why. JamesHeart123 15:54, 17 November 2012 (EST) Bow your heads low, all hail Shadow! 24.168.93.165 19:08, 17 November 2012 (EST) Why would anyone vote for sonic. Shadow is a better and much cooler version of him. 94.15.44.170 02:53, 18 November 2012 (EST) Pity vote, and also so people can actually read my signature. Air Conditioner is a siam cat 15:48, 18 November 2012 (EST) I know Sonic will win no matter what I do, but, in all honesty, Shadow has all of Sonic's powers, plus the whole Chaos Control thing.174.20.251.84 21:12, 18 November 2012 (EST) Shadow.92.42.57.34 06:07, 19 November 2012 (EST) How do you make Sonic more BA? Make him black68.115.61.130 12:33, 20 November 2012 (EST) He's got a hairy chest. ChuckNorris 17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST) 129.128.29.72 10:02, 22 November 2012 (EST) He has control over time. Toadat9021doh (talk) 13:52, 22 November 2012 (EST) Half votes Why not vote for Shadow he is amazing! He is about as fast as Sonic plus he is Sonic,only he was created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.175.213 (talk • contribs)
Comments I'm wondering why the Brawl artwork wasn't used for this battle. That doesn't mean I don't like it though, in fact I think it kinda cool. ChuckNorris 17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST) Probably wanted to make it more in-universe or something. 108.29.19.27 21:23, 21 November 2012 (EST)

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