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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week this forum hosts a tussle between two characters from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, just vote if you are a total fanboy of the character. So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

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Round 63: 75m vs. Green Hill Zone

File:75m.jpg		Winner!! undecided 0 to 0
While neither of these stages are tournament-friendly, they're both located in places that started their respective series (and arguably the big two gaming streams of the 90s). Is the iconic construction site or the loopy grassland the more popular battleground?
Votes for 75m It's fun throwing barrels as Donkey Kong on this stage in Brawl Minus. Plus, overly large stages > overly small stages for me. Omega Tyrant 18:35, 3 December 2010 (EST) This is a classic! And who cares if it's not fair. Not all stages have to be 100% tournament safe, people. Mr. Anon (talk) 19:35, 3 December 2010 (EST) While I enjoy the defending lightbulb spinners on Green Hill Zone, the utter and awesome randomness of 75m never ceases to amaze me. And I always find the most hilarious KO's to be on that stage. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 20:46, 3 December 2010 (EST) Let's see..... A stage featuring DK and Mario.... Or a stage featuring sonic.... Hmmmmm. Well, Dk and Mario it is!Vincent Tran Blorbs? 21:14, 3 December 2010 (EST) I prefer stages that are from a decade before other stages... --Smash-jay (talk) 22:36, 3 December 2010 (EST) Though I prefer GHZ's music, and is less cheap, 75m for starting off Mario and Donkey Kong. havoC-- 23:37, 3 December 2010 (EST) I am king of this level. Just sit on my favourite platform and wait it out until everyone else has died! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 09:15, 4 December 2010 (EST) I agree with Omega Tyrant: small stages suck. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 16:45, 4 December 2010 (EST) I'm not really a fan of either, but here's the thing. Green Hill zone is subject to tons of kills on the sides. Sure this is true with 75m as well, but it's bigger, and ergo less likely. Both stages are very cramped, but 75m is a bigger cramp, so yeah, I'm having trouble getting my point across on that one, heh. The spinning checkpoints are WAY cheaper than the fire guys and DK. DK can be easily avoided, the fire guys are a pain, but not too bad. The only things are the springs, which I admit are annoying as Meta Knight's Tornado! Hey, I never said I liked 75m, it's just the least bad of the two. And on a side note, I absolutely HATE the Sonic music. My least favorite songs of the series come from there primarily. There are a few good ones, like the Green Hill Zone theme song, but those annoying-arse songs like Seven Rings in Hand are just weird. We don't need sappy rock songs during a Brawl. And I don't even want to speak about Sonic Racers 'shudders'. I like all three of 75m's songs. 25 BGM was very nostalgic for me (sure I'm a teenager, but I used to play my fair share of old video games, like Donkey Kong), the Donkey Kong remix was just awesome and fun, and the Donkey Kong opening was just...yeah. Not bad. So! There was have it, 75m has my vote. My very long vote at that. Mowrt620 (talk)Mowrt620 I dont have this stage yet, but it looks fun!207.190.75.131 19:08, 5 December 2010 (EST) 75 m is like... bringing the old times... green hill zone? not really Lucasthefourth (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2010 (EST) 75m isn't camped hard enough compared to GHZ. Seriously, Green Hill's the most campy stage ever to be declared legal. (Though it was declared illegal afterwards.)T.testLPThe Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorf da bess! 23:52, 6 December 2010 (EST) 75m is better as I like Mario series! Also, I hate Green Hill Zone as I hate Sonic series! Super Smash Bros. series are suppose to be a battle of Nintendo game characters! That Sonic the Humbug is corrupting the Super Smash Bros. series along with Slow-mind Snake! Super Smash Bros. series is about to turn into M.U.G.E.N.!!! Anyway, I don't like bent stages(hard to do side smash).SuperMarioKingdom (talk)SuperMarioKingdom I may not have been alive when Donkey Kong came out, but it still makes me nostalgic XDDhawk (talk) 20:46, 8 December 2010 (EST) Half-Votes Donkey kong is better than Sonic! 75m is more fun! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.155.73 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 4 December 2010 (EST)			Votes for Green Hill Zone My suggestion is up! I like Sonic :p--MegaTron1XD 18:31, 3 December 2010 (EST) Frankly, 75m is my least favorite stage. Besides, I like the spinning balloon things on Green Hill Zone. Brawlingbrian LANDMASTER! I really dislike 75m. Green Hill Zone is a little plain, but it's much better than 75m. Besides, the music is better there, too. Green Mario (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2010 (EST) Just finished Sonic Colors so I'm feeling in a Sonic mood.-Ivy73 19:21, 3 December 2010 (EST) 75m deserves to die in a hole. It's my least favorite stage EVER. IN ANY GAME. 24.164.142.186 20:48, 3 December 2010 (EST) Funner stage than 75m. 110.174.90.69 21:15, 3 December 2010 (EST) I'm just gonna vote for this crap because you can actually fight and do combos here and its not like a whole obstacle course. Also this is a huge advantage to Dedede :D! Doc King (talk) 22:45, 3 December 2010 (EST) Better stage, easier to fight in it, and because i prefer Sonic then DK. --UilMash (talk) 01:48, 4 December 2010 (EST) It´s easier to fight in this stage, and the music rocks! Ryder (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2010 (EST) Even though it's so cramped, I prefer it over 75m, alot. 81.155.90.214 05:07, 4 December 2010 (EST) Ít´s way more easy to fight , and 75m can kill you. 85.240.154.113 06:10, 4 December 2010 (EST) Ugh. 75m is an absolute hell level for me. Any level that makes your character the size of a postage stamp is absolutely annoying, and the springs — sorry, "jacks" — and chance of Donkey Kong hitting you are downright aggravating. Then we have Green Hill Zone. Friend to many, enemy to Robotnik. The ground breaks off (though you can just jump to get out of it), there's the easily-avoidable but oh-so-fun spinning checkpoint, and then we have the left-right boundaries that are very close to the edge of the screen… but not quite as close as those of 75m. No contest. Reflex 09:09, 4 December 2010 (EST) I love this level so much because the checkpoint its fun blowing others using it, I also hate level 75m its hard zeezow 07:02, 4 december 2010 (EST) SONIC IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brawliac (talk) 15:47, 4 December 2010 (EST) First of all, I think that Green Hill Zone Is WAY easier to play on! Second, GHZ has WAY better music. Third, You don't have to go crazy trying to get on the moving platforms. Forth, GHZ actually HAS a BackGround! And fifth, Cooler. Mesuxelf (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2010 (EST) GHZ is the main level of my favorite charecter so i got to pick it.Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2010 (EST) Green Hill Zone is all kinds of fun. Great music, ok size, fairly unobtrusive hazards... it's just a good stage overall! ~ C.Olimar788 (talk) 03:03, 5 December 2010 (EST) pfft what a joke of a match,green hill all the way,i wouldnt play on 75m even for fun,it only has one good song,looks like crap,and battling there is near impossible,would have been a better match if it was 75m vs that god forsaken crab infested sewer,cuz they both equally suck ass....should have brought back two N64 stages instead of those retro pieces of s#$tGig (talk) 04:16, 5 December 2010 (EST) feels more realistic than 75mmPikachu8090 (talk) 10:57, 5 December 2010 (EST) Awesome music and i just hate 75m - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 14:13, 5 December 2010 (EST) I absolutely suck on 75m, while you can say I'm actually almost close to being 1% remotely close to being 1% decent on this stage, because I love taking advantage of those checkpoint things, as well as the falling ground. Also, cool music. Anthony1996 (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2010 (EST) I really hate the spinning light-bulbs, but not as much as the random barrels and missing floor,--Jespoke (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2010 (EST) Half-Votes i hate everything 8 bit . green hill zone is great on spinning route—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemon master (talk • contribs) 9:35, December 4, 2010 (EST) Gotta go with Green Hill Zone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.98.209 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 4 December 2010 (EST) I totally HATE! 75m because when the D.K. pops out and the (it looks like springs) come flying at you and WHAM! K.O. i'd rather choose Green Hill Zone because i LOVE the look of it and Silver,Tails, and Knuckles going around behind the stage is cool BUUUUT! one little bad thing i don't like is one of the music (right there ride on) WHO WOULD MAKE THAT THE LYRICS! it's a little annoying i mean (right there ride on right there ride on) it's like SHUT UP! but other then that i love the other music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.184.78 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 6 December 2010 (EST)
Comments Well, I just noticed that for the votes on Green Hill Zone, that it was numbered 1,2,1,2. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2010 (EST) Fixed, something was wrong with a signature. Toomai Glittershine 21:41, 3 December 2010 (EST) OT, you're actually wrong saying that Green hill is very small, I think its overall average size (A lot of sky XD). Doc King (talk) 14:03, 4 December 2010 (EST) Green Hill Zone is certainly one of the smallest stages in Brawl, and I'm certainly not wrong when I say it's overly small. Sure, the amount of ground you can stand on may make it look "average", but there are no edges on the sides and the blast lines are suffocatingly close (which, the blast lines are what I use to consider a stage's size). But alas, read what I told Gig (which was also aimed at you) in the comments section in the previous Smash Arena battle. Omega Tyrant 16:14, 4 December 2010 (EST) @Mesuxelf: Of course 75m doesn't have a background, you have got to remember, you've got a stage from an NES games vs. a stage from a Sega Genesis (plus if they did add one it would be generic anyway). havoC-- 11:39, 5 December 2010 (EST) I knew there were people who didn't like 75m but this vote right now is just ridiculous - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2010 (EST) When you put it that way OT, it makes sense. Very unique stage. Doc King (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2010 (EST) SuperMarioKingdom, your wrong saying that Snake is a slow character, Snake has some fast moves like DACUS, his tilts, throws, and some special moves are pretty fast. And they're not destroying the smash series at all, whats so wrong with a couple of guest? Doc King (talk) 17:43, 8 December 2010 (EST) Didn't I told you twice already that the Smash Arena is not a place for arguments? Stop trying to argue with anyone who posts something on here that you don't agree with. Omega Tyrant 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Round 62: Mario vs. Dr. Mario

File:Mariomelee.jpg		Winner!! Tie 18 to 18		File:Drmariomelee.jpg
While it's unclear why the famous plumber has a medical alter-ego (or even if he's certified), one thing's for sure: the Doctor knows what he's doing as much as Mario's regular state knows how to rough up Bowser. Which one of the two is the greater one?
Votes for Mario There's a reason why Mario is able to beat Bowser hundreds of times, while Dr. Mario only works as a doctor.Mario is obviously better. Brawlingbrian talk 12:54, 27 November 2010 (EST) Think about this for a second: Mario has been in every smash game, yet Nintendo took out Dr. Mario from Melee to Brawl. Think about what that means about how much his own company cares about him. Mr. Anon (talk) 13:39, 27 November 2010 (EST) I haven't played Melee so can't really say but Mario I think would be better. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 14:04, 27 November 2010 (EST) I personally prefer Mario then is clone. Ryder (talk) 16:30, 27 November 2010 (EST) Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctors costume so the original is better. 110.174.90.69 21:09, 27 November 2010 (EST) I never really liked any of the clones in Melee. But the ones that returned in brawl were at least sort of reworked, which was enough for me. And I'm sure the ones left out would have gotten reworked as well. Except for Dr. Mario. I really just can't see him progressing as a fighter at all, even if he were to return. The thing about the other clones is that they have the potential to gain new moves, and generally differentiate themselves from their clone counterparts. Dr. Mario was just a mere costume change of Mario with some minor move edits, which just isn't enough for me. That's really all he will ever be. And on a side note, I was better with Mario is Melee, hehe.Mowrt620 (talk) 21:15, 27 November 2010 (EST)Mowrt620 Mario is way better than Dr. MarioPikachu8090 (talk) 11:20, 28 November 2010 (EST) MARIO IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brawliac (talk) 12:14, 28 November 2010 (EST) Whenever I play Melee, Dr. Mario is the most annoying character to me, and Mario isn't too annoying in Brawl. My vote goes to Brawl Mario Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 12:17, 28 November 2010 (EST) I choose Mario because he is the original one. 85.240.142.213 15:49, 29 November 2010 (EST) Oh, hey Brian! I'm Eric X. Anyway, Mario can pwn Dr.Mario because Mario has better moves, and he pwns Bowser, and Dr.Mario works as a doctor, as Brawlingbrian said.PKFire talk 3:58, 29 November 2010 (EST) I usually don´t mind clones, but Young Link and Dr. Mario are the exceptions. --Jespoke (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2010 (EST) All Doctor Mario does is get people high on pills! 72.129.20.253 18:40, 1 December 2010 (EST) clones suck...but they suck even more when its the same character in a different costumeGig (talk) sorry doc, but the plumber here is the winner... 125.165.91.181 14:01, 2 December 2010 3 (EST) doctor, you never know what does it feels to venture through galaxies... Lucasthefourth (talk) 14:05, 2 December 2010 (EST) I don't even know a thing about Dr. Mario, (never played Melee) so I'm stuck with voting for Mario, even though I hate him. Dr. PikaLinkSmash (talk) 20:47, 2 December 2010 (EST) Half-Votes section I guess I'll start the half-votes by voting for the original instead of the stupid clone—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.143.132 (talk • contribs) 2:54, November 28, 2010 i am a luigi lover anda mario lovert so i vote for mario. mastercrazyhand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.66.87.222 (talk • contribs) 12:48, November 30, 2010			Votes for Dr. Mario I always found Dr. Mario to be better in SSBM. It's a shame that he wasn't in Brawl. GOOOOO DOC!-Ivy73 12:18, 27 November 2010 (EST) Better with Doctor Mario than Mario Mario. Even if Dr. Mario's a simple re-do of Mario. --HavocReaper'48 13:13, 27 November 2010 (EST) Dr. Mario is really cool he kills viruses69.88.193.31 15:49, 27 November 2010 (EST) If I did drugs Dr. Mario would be my dealer. 97.83.79.48 17:55, 27 November 2010 (EST) Mario's the classic character, but from a Smash Bros. standpoint, I favored Dr. Mario in Melee. He was stronger, used electric attacks instead of fire (which is part of why I like Luigi more than Mario too!), and, to be honest, doctors are just plain cooler than plumbers. Ivy's right about his absence from Brawl. Sure, he was a clone, but at least he was a good clone. Reflex 18:14, 27 November 2010 (EST) Dr. Mario is simply better. Period. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 19:10, 27 November 2010 (EST) The original Dr. Mario game beats the crap out of the original Mario game. (Actually that's a lie, but I'm better with Dr. Mario anyway.) Fuddlebob (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2010 (EST) In the Mushroom kingdom his the best Doctor by far, he got his degree by watching House and Scrubs and ER! But he's still awesome!T.testLP! The Page|The Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorf da bess! 23:20, 27 November 2010 (EST) Search up "The Dr.Mario song" on youtube, and you'll see what I mean.Vincent Tran 02:11, 28 November 2010 (EST) I feel I should vote for Dr Mario instead of normal Mario. I think I prefer Dr Mario over normal Mario. 81.155.90.214 04:10, 28 November 2010 (EST) Mario is cool, but... Dr. Mario is better. --UilMash (talk) 09:05, 28 November 2010 (EST) Dr. Mario kills little kids with drugs! Who wouldn't vote for him!? Mesuxelf (talk) 18:46, 28 November 2010 (EST) Doc is a lot better than Mario in Melee AND Brawl. While Mario can get infinited in Brawl and he can't combo so well and Doc (I think) can actually infinite about 1/3 of the cast with his Up-B cancel. Plus Mario isn't so great in a lot of games and I'm actually the king of this character. Doc King (talk) 19:49, 28 November 2010 (EST) Dr. Mario would poison Mario's mushroom and kill him. :) 24.164.142.186 21:30, 28 November 2010 (EST) Whats up Doc?Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 14:08, 30 November 2010 (EST) Dr.Mario's greater power, and vastly superior fair wins me over any day. Plus, Megavitamins killed Influenza, you can't do that with fireballs. Omega Tyrant 17:39, 30 November 2010 (EST) Throwing pills is better than throwing fireballs. signed by someone... me | chat 20:40, 2 December 2010 (EST) Half-Votes doctor mario cures all—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemon master (talk • contribs) 7:46, November 27, 2010 Dr. Mario is way stronger than Mario in Melee—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.147.31 (talk • contribs) 3:10, November 28, 2010
Comments Maybe there shouldn't be two competing characters from different metagames. Mario is from Brawl (the picture) and Dr. Mario is from Melee. It could be confusing and hard to decide. (I only have Brawl!) Brawlingbrian talk 12:58, 27 November 2010 (EST) It doesn't have to be about who you think is better in Smash. You just pick whoever you want. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 18:55, 27 November 2010 (EST) Mario's picture should be replaced by his Melee picture just like you did with Marth vs. Roy.T.testLP! The Page|The Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorf da bess! 23:20, 27 November 2010 (EST) Right, I usually forget to do that when it's appropriate. Toomai Glittershine 16:37, 29 November 2010 (EST) 6 votes for Mario, 10.5 for Dr. Mario? Seriously? Reflex 07:22, 28 November 2010 (EST) Well, I think that people would vote more for Doc due to his higher ranking within Melee's tier list, because Melee is the game with both Mario and Doc Mario. But anyways, Tiers R 4 Queers on Youtube Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2010 (EST) WLIAF, people vote on who they like. Nobody cares about the tier list. To each his own. -Ivy73 15:33, 28 November 2010 (EST) I apologize for my 1st half vote i didn't refer myself to the rules - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 17:36, 30 November 2010 (EST) I have no idea why plumbers are fighting doctors... Lucasthefourth (talk) 08:36, 3 December 2010 (EST) Who really gives a crap that Doc is a clone. Being a clone is not bad when it comes to tourney play and can actually help out the character like Ganon was probably really good in Melee because he was a clone of the fastest Melee character (Falcon) while being so strong so he didn't end up like he is in Brawl (having really slow attacks and speed). Doc King (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2010 (EST) Because at least the other clones werent just an already existing character with a different outfit,sure Roy,Falco,and Ganon were clones,but hey at least they were their own character and still pretty damn cool,but Dr.Mario,Young Link,and Pichu were terrible ideas,Dr.M is just mario in a doctors outfit giving out free pills to drug his foes,Young Link is just that,a young Link,and Pichu is pretty much just young Pikachu who was apparently a masochist,and whats wrong with Ganondorf in Brawl,his side tilt,down tilt,down air,and side special all got buffed,he may be slow but he was slow in melee as well so i dont see what your point is,he was and still is deadly,its just that slow characters arent very beginer friendly because they require a lot more skill to be used properly,the only real nerf he suffered is that he cant L cancel short hop F-airs and N-airs anymore and instead of getting comboed to hell he gets chain grabed insteadGig (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2010 (EST) Don't argue about clones, characters, whatever here, the Smash Arena isn't meant for arguments. It's just a fun little forum for people to vote for the characters they like, nothing more. (Note this is aimed at Doc too, and anyone else who argue in the Smash Arena) Omega Tyrant 17:27, 3 December 2010 (EST) It wasnt an argument,it was informing :P doc asked a question,i provided an answerGig (talk) 17:32, 3 December 2010 (EST) Informing, arguing, the Smash Arena isn't the place for it. And Doc was making more of a statement (an argumentative one) than asking a question. But regardless, try to keep arguments and such off the Smash Arena, and keep it a fun place :p Omega Tyrant 17:43, 3 December 2010 (EST) But how are we supposed to have fun without arg,err i mean informing people...this is blasphemy,this is insane,THIS IS MADNESS!!!ganondorf if you will/Ganondorf:madness?MADNESS!?THIS IS SMAAAASH WIKIIII*clicks block*/Gig:*dramatic falling off of my chair*AAAARGHAARMPHGig (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2010 (EST) Simply do it elsewhere. You have your userpage, do it there. Omega Tyrant 18:02, 3 December 2010 (EST) ....-.-.....dude...that was a joke.....you really gotta learn to lighten up a little OT /:lGig (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2010 (EST) Dude... you failed. Get serious.--MegaTron1XD 18:08, 3 December 2010 (EST) dont try to start things megaboy,its comments like those that start problems,smash wiki doesnt tolerate trolling rememberGig (talk) 18:12, 3 December 2010 (EST) And you can't take sarcasm? And don't call me Megaboy. If you ever do, you'll be at the blunt end of my fury later on.--MegaTron1XD 18:14, 3 December 2010 (EST) Can you all just drop this? Plus I'm trying to put up the new round and can't because of the edit conflicts. Toomai Glittershine 18:15, 3 December 2010 (EST)

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