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, 16 years ago→srs bsns: It is better the nomination be abusable as a popularity contest than to have the promotion be one.
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:::::As for the policies, they may not have been designed specifically for that purpose, but their suggestion is certainly of that design. | :::::As for the policies, they may not have been designed specifically for that purpose, but their suggestion is certainly of that design. | ||
:::::I would contend that it is a bad thing for the community to input before the administrators. With that scenario, as I have pointed out, sysops can be nominated as popularity contests. This is a serious flaw and an actual problem that the SmashWiki had and has to face. My policy addresses it. Yours provides the status quo. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 00:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | :::::I would contend that it is a bad thing for the community to input before the administrators. With that scenario, as I have pointed out, sysops can be nominated as popularity contests. This is a serious flaw and an actual problem that the SmashWiki had and has to face. My policy addresses it. Yours provides the status quo. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 00:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::::My point is that the anonymity isn't total, it is anonymity by degrees. And because it is so, it invalidates your premise, and thus, that part of your argument. | |||
::::::The YAV policy means that in editing disputes, users are not to be treated differently because of their "rank"=their role as admin,bureaucrat etc. If you have your eyes open, you'll observe that users are treated differently, nonetheless. Most openly because they don't log in (IPs are pond scum in some people's eyes), but there many non-rank discrimitors, such as their grasp of the language, or their place in the community. This is normal and beneficial. | |||
::::::Well, even if the act of suggesting the policies was motivated by distrust, that doesn't mean they're bad. It just means that their adoption has the potential to raise trust in the admins, and that is good. | |||
::::::Sysops can be nominated as popularity contests. But they won't be promoted based on that, because a RfA is not a vote, it is a discussion - and every admin can take part in it. If a candidate's RfA is popular with both users and admins, he's ideal - great! If the RfA shows dissent about the candidate's admin abilities, promoting that person will raise a lot of community lashback (speaking from experience here). If you consider yourself able to judge the character of a person, surely you are able to judge the character of a RfA: is it a discussion or a popularity vote? | |||
::::::Calling a popularity contest as a "problem" seems to me to be exaggerated, even if it is held on an RfA page. | |||
::::::Turning your argument around, if all you need is a single admin's sponsorship, all you need to do is to get popular with ''a single admin''. Being a yes-man seems to be a very simple way to do it; select the admin that most closely matches your values and behaviour and get started. If you manage to sway that admin to sponsor you, you then get '''promoted''' based on a "vote" that is exactly the popularity contest you abhor. By your own criteria, your proposal is inferior. It is better the nomination be abusable as a popularity contest than to have the promotion be one. --[[User:M.mendel|◄mendel►]] ([[User talk:M.mendel|talk]]) 03:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I'm butting in on a critical point behind your (Shadowcrest's) argument that I think I have an issue with (you guys may feel free to continue around me. add a level 3 section header if you wish): | :I'm butting in on a critical point behind your (Shadowcrest's) argument that I think I have an issue with (you guys may feel free to continue around me. add a level 3 section header if you wish): | ||
::''Valid point, but if you have a community-supported bureaucrat who you can trust to make the right decision (after all "if you can’t trust your sysops then you have a bigger problem then simply the nomination process" applies to bureaucrats too) then you can trust their judgment.'' | ::''Valid point, but if you have a community-supported bureaucrat who you can trust to make the right decision (after all "if you can’t trust your sysops then you have a bigger problem then simply the nomination process" applies to bureaucrats too) then you can trust their judgment.'' | ||
:''Unlike GuildWiki'', the only bureaucrat that was instituted by ''any'' community input (whether SmashWiki or SsbWikia), from what I can see, was Kirby King. The only one I honestly trust is Kirby King. I've butted heads with Dtm one too many times for me to find trust in him — he argues about one thing one minute in once place and then 3 months later he says something different about arguing about that one thing, just for one example. The other bureaus aren't/were never active.<br />This is a problem for me. And that is, I think, another (unspoken) reason why the administrators made a decision to shut down RfA for a bit. It was something that wasn't really contributing positively to the community. We got one person out of 6 or 7 or however many.<br />Which brings to the front of my mind another issue I have with both of your ideas for a new RfA: RfAs ''shouldn't'' last forever. On a wiki this size (small), I don't think a week is an appropriate timescale either.<br />Will be back for more, after I've read through the proposals again. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 01:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | :''Unlike GuildWiki'', the only bureaucrat that was instituted by ''any'' community input (whether SmashWiki or SsbWikia), from what I can see, was Kirby King. The only one I honestly trust is Kirby King. I've butted heads with Dtm one too many times for me to find trust in him — he argues about one thing one minute in once place and then 3 months later he says something different about arguing about that one thing, just for one example. The other bureaus aren't/were never active.<br />This is a problem for me. And that is, I think, another (unspoken) reason why the administrators made a decision to shut down RfA for a bit. It was something that wasn't really contributing positively to the community. We got one person out of 6 or 7 or however many.<br />Which brings to the front of my mind another issue I have with both of your ideas for a new RfA: RfAs ''shouldn't'' last forever. On a wiki this size (small), I don't think a week is an appropriate timescale either.<br />Will be back for more, after I've read through the proposals again. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 01:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I inserted my reply to Semicolon above yours. --[[User:M.mendel|◄mendel►]] ([[User talk:M.mendel|talk]]) 03:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
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