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Recently a discussion popped up on Discord regarding the addition/removal of sandbag characters for the results tables. In the past we've been ignoring sandbag characters when top players use them during pools; top players could pull out and win with any character when against a low-level player, making it cheap to say that the character contributed to a player's placement. As a result, characters such as Hungrybox's Ganondorf at {{Trn|CEO 2014}} or Mew2King's | Recently a discussion popped up on Discord regarding the addition/removal of sandbag characters for the results tables. In the past we've been ignoring sandbag characters when top players use them during pools; top players could pull out and win with any character when against a low-level player, making it cheap to say that the character contributed to a player's placement. As a result, characters such as Hungrybox's Ganondorf at {{Trn|CEO 2014}} or Mew2King's Pichu were not added to the results table. | ||
However, a lot has changed since we started doing this. As brought up in Discord, top players have seen upsets in pools especially for later games such as ''Smash | However, a lot has changed since we started doing this. As brought up in Discord, top players have seen upsets in pools especially for later games such as ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate''. (eg. {{Sm|Charliedaking}}, {{Sm|LeoN}}, and {{Sm|DM}} at {{Trn|Glitch 8.5}}), which means that even if they were to sandbag, they may have an equal chance of losing the set when compared to using their main. We're also at a point in time where the ''Smash'' roster is so huge that mid or low-tier characters do often have legitimate usage, even in top 8 (eg. at {{Trn|BIG LAB: Awakening}}, where Bloom4Eva used Corrin and Jigglypuff to defeat a top 10 UK player in Grand Finals). | ||
This does not mean we should start adding Mew2King's Pichu to results tables; there's still a huge gap between top player and low-level players in ''Melee''. However, there is an argument that this gap is very likely smaller in the recent titles, so there should be a change to this rule, or at least have it be less strict for the recent titles. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:33, September 27, 2021 (EDT) | This does not mean we should start adding Mew2King's Pichu to results tables; there's still a huge gap between top player and low-level players in ''Melee''. However, there is an argument that this gap is very likely smaller in the recent titles, so there should be a change to this rule, or at least have it be less strict for the recent titles. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:33, September 27, 2021 (EDT) | ||