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Ganondorf's grab game is also lackluster. His grab reach is notoriously short despite his tall stature, and, outside of down throw, his throws have little to no followup potential. None of them are consistently viable KO options either, despite dealing respectable amounts of damage; while his forward and back throws deal passable knockback, even they are rather weak and can't KO Mario under 200% from center stage, while his up throw lacks KO potential altogether. His down throw, despite being a decent combo starter, loses much of its combo potential very quickly past low percentages. The ability to tech Flame Choke also works against Ganondorf, as it forces hard reads, and incorrect reads can put Ganondorf in a vulnerable position. | Ganondorf's grab game is also lackluster. His grab reach is notoriously short despite his tall stature, and, outside of down throw, his throws have little to no followup potential. None of them are consistently viable KO options either, despite dealing respectable amounts of damage; while his forward and back throws deal passable knockback, even they are rather weak and can't KO Mario under 200% from center stage, while his up throw lacks KO potential altogether. His down throw, despite being a decent combo starter, loses much of its combo potential very quickly past low percentages. The ability to tech Flame Choke also works against Ganondorf, as it forces hard reads, and incorrect reads can put Ganondorf in a vulnerable position. | ||
The other major weakness is his poor [[recovery]], which is considered to be one of the worst in the game. Ganondorf's slow air speed and low jump heights, as well as the helplessness-causing Flame Choke and Dark Dive having low speed and resilience, makes his off-stage movement linear and predictable while leaving him very vulnerable to edgeguards and gimps. His recovery specials also work against Ganondorf; aerial Flame Choke can be escaped by button mashing and KOs Ganondorf first when used as a [[sacrificial KO]], while Dark Dive's throw can be teched and punished | The other major weakness is his poor [[recovery]], which is considered to be one of the worst in the game. Ganondorf's slow air speed and low jump heights, as well as the helplessness-causing Flame Choke and Dark Dive having low speed and resilience, makes his off-stage movement linear and predictable while leaving him very vulnerable to edgeguards and gimps. His recovery specials also work against Ganondorf; aerial Flame Choke can be escaped by button mashing and KOs Ganondorf first when used as a [[sacrificial KO]], while Dark Dive's throw can be [[Tech Check|teched and punished]] in its endlag. As such, it's possible to edgeguard Ganondorf by even intentionally getting hit by his aerial specials, leaving him in a position where his abysmal mobility prevents him from recovering. | ||
Ganondorf also has considerable trouble landing safely. Despite his aerials having relatively low landing lag, the aforementioned poor hitbox placements fail to properly defend him from directly underneath, while down aerial and Wizard's Foot have noticeable start-up. While Wizard's Foot is Ganondorf's fastest option to return to the ground and can anti-air intercepting opponents with its vertical knockback, its landing possesses a small and very brief quake along with large landing lag, making it highly punishable. | Ganondorf also has considerable trouble landing safely. Despite his aerials having relatively low landing lag, the aforementioned poor hitbox placements fail to properly defend him from directly underneath, while down aerial and Wizard's Foot have noticeable start-up. While Wizard's Foot is Ganondorf's fastest option to return to the ground and can anti-air intercepting opponents with its vertical knockback, its landing possesses a small and very brief quake along with large landing lag, making it highly punishable. | ||
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Ganondorf received a small bag of mixed changes over the game's updates. 1.1.0 removed one of his edgeguard deterrents and best punishment options by making his [[Flame Choke]] [[sacrificial KO]] kill Ganondorf first, which further worsens his already poor recovery and negates the viability of [[Ganoncide]] tactics. 3.0.0 adjusted his hurtbox so that he is more consistently hit by multihit attacks. | Ganondorf received a small bag of mixed changes over the game's updates. 1.1.0 removed one of his edgeguard deterrents and best punishment options by making his [[Flame Choke]] [[sacrificial KO]] kill Ganondorf first, which further worsens his already poor recovery and negates the viability of [[Ganoncide]] tactics. 3.0.0 adjusted his hurtbox so that he is more consistently hit by multihit attacks. | ||
On the upside, 2.0.0 allowed forward aerial to autocancel out of a double jump, which was infamous in ''Brawl'' and ''SSB4'' for not cancelling even out of a full hop and would almost always force him to enter the landing animation. Ganondorf also benefits from the universal nerf on projectiles dealing less shield damage in 3.0.0, improving his approach against projectile camping. In 3.1.0, Ganondorf's down smash now connects more reliably into the second hit, and in 7.0.0, he received a near-universal buff to his shield size. After being absent from patch notes for little over a year, Ganondorf was granted a small but helpful buff in 11.0.0, which significantly decreased the ending lag of Dark Dive | On the upside, 2.0.0 allowed forward aerial to autocancel out of a double jump, which was infamous in ''Brawl'' and ''SSB4'' for not cancelling even out of a full hop and would almost always force him to enter the landing animation. Ganondorf also benefits from the universal nerf on projectiles dealing less shield damage in 3.0.0, improving his approach against projectile camping. In 3.1.0, Ganondorf's down smash now connects more reliably into the second hit, and in 7.0.0, he received a near-universal buff to his shield size. After being absent from patch notes for little over a year, Ganondorf was granted a small but helpful buff in 11.0.0, which significantly decreased the ending lag of Dark Dive, slightly improving his recovery while making it harder to [[Tech Check]] Ganondorf, a technique that has existed since ''Melee''. | ||
Due to his key weaknesses not being addressed from updates and other characters have received buffs, he is considered to fare worse compared to the game’s release. | Due to his key weaknesses not being addressed from updates and other characters have received buffs, he is considered to fare worse compared to the game’s release. | ||