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 :::::I strongly question the need for this kind of article, never mind the fact that it looks a mess. Reading this talk page hasn’t answered my questions either. '''Support''' [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 21:04, December 8, 2020 (EST)
 :::::I agree to delete this page, and the others too. Too much subjectivity, article is hard to take seriously. I fail to see much reason for these articles to exist. '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegɑ</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toɑd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 21:38, December 8, 2020 (EST)
+Ok I'll frame my argument as follows:
+I think that as established users on this site, we often forget why random people on the internet use SmashWiki. People (including fans of competitive Smash) come to SmashWiki to receive an organized and collectible source of information. Information in the Smash community tends to pretty disorganized because it gets scattered all over Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, Smashboards, Facebook, and other sites. SmashWiki solves that problem by putting important info all in one place.
+There's a reason why almost every YouTube video about Smash Bros. uses screenshots of the [[Tier list]] article (look at videos like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsGaqhcAmw this] as an example). Also why when you Google something about Smash Bros. SmashWiki is almost always at the top spot. This page is less than 48 hours old, and already if you Google "smash bros greatest of all time" this article is the top search result.
+In addition, past experiences have suggested that increasing our competitive-related content is beneficial to the well-being of the wiki, while removing/deleting competitive content hurts the site.
+*Three years ago I made the article [[Universal Controller Fix]], which was nominated for deletion by an administrator. Even though the admin argued that the topic wasn't notable, the SmashWiki article is still the first Google hit when you search "universal controller fix" and even appears above the dev team's official website.
+*The "Super Smash Bros. in competitive play" articles ([https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_in_competitive_play&oldid=933032 which I largely] [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Melee_in_competitive_play&oldid=842863 helped author]), have taken off to become [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate_in_competitive_play&action=history some of the most popular, collaborative, and highly edited] pages on the wiki.
+*I created the first "tier placement and history" section [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Meta_Knight_(SSBB)&diff=486308&oldid=486219 seven years ago]. Since then, SmashWiki editors have added these sections to every single fighter page across the whole series. (To me this indicates that adding competitive content makes the wiki more collaborative.)
+*SmashWiki's greatest PR moment of the past five years was when an administrator reached out to the competitive community and [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hk5yij/the_smashwikis_stance_on_the_current_events/ made a reddit post] discussing our coverage of the sexual misconduct allegations earlier this year.
+*Meanwhile, SmashWiki's worst PR moment of the past five years was when [[Forum:Project M coverage|we tried to get rid of the Project M character pages]] (you can read some of the community response [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/5yiaob/ssbwiki_editors_discuss_deleting_or_condensing/ in this thread]). The proposal was supported by tons of inaccurate and poorly researched information, and was clouded by a lot of users' personal bias against PM and the competitive community.
+*[[SW:OFFICIAL]] and [[SW:SPEC]] both state that reporting on widespread opinions held by the Smash community do not count as subjective material.
+*In addition, since this article was published, at least three other users have added new content (beyond just spelling mistakes and formatting), including an IP address, which is indicative to me that the topic is at least ''somewhat'' notable, and not entirely lacking in notability as suggested in the opposition.
+Given the examples I listed above, I think it's pretty clear that expanding our competitive coverage is only beneficial for us. Considering SmashWiki's previous mixed-bag handling of competitive content, do you still feel that my judgment here is completely 100 percent wrong?
+If you don't really care for competitive Smash, I hope you can agree to leave the article up to support the people that do care about competitive Smash. The ultimate goal of SmashWiki is for readers to ''learn something'', which, given the articles numerous citations (including quotes from the people mentioned in the article themselves), this article clearly achieves. Overall this article does a good job of separating itself from the mainspace content. Right now the article "Greatest of all time" is linked to from exactly five places: three redirect pages, and two smasher articles. If you choose not to click on any smasher/competitive articles, you will probably never encounter this page in your lifetime.
+Answer me honestly: do you truly feel that SmashWiki would be a better place if this page was deleted? '''[[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">Awesome</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">Cardinal 2000</span>]]''' 02:24, December 9, 2020 (EST)