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After the debate surrounding the official names of the [[Hero]]s, what is preventing us from using the official names to eradicate any chance of debate? Also the Poltergust article has been the subject of debate as well and I think revisions to this policy can prevent that. I feel like this policy has become less of a real policy to follow and more of a cheap bullet point when arguing why the name you want should be the name of the article. I can't imagine I'm the only one that thinks that we aren't prioritizing official names, but I'm open to persuasion. Up to date and official names should always be the name of the article, unless, as stated in the article, another name is almost always used in place of the official names, such as tech. But making the claim that we should use Poltergust because "no one calls it Poltergust G-00", or that we should keep Beast Ganon because "Ganon, the Demon King is too long", and then referring to this policy is just not a strong argument. [[User:KungFuLakitu|KungFuLakitu]], [[User talk:KungFuLakitu|Spiny Overlord]] 15:05, July 30, 2019 (EDT) | After the debate surrounding the official names of the [[Hero]]s, what is preventing us from using the official names to eradicate any chance of debate? Also the Poltergust article has been the subject of debate as well and I think revisions to this policy can prevent that. I feel like this policy has become less of a real policy to follow and more of a cheap bullet point when arguing why the name you want should be the name of the article. I can't imagine I'm the only one that thinks that we aren't prioritizing official names, but I'm open to persuasion. Up to date and official names should always be the name of the article, unless, as stated in the article, another name is almost always used in place of the official names, such as tech. But making the claim that we should use Poltergust because "no one calls it Poltergust G-00", or that we should keep Beast Ganon because "Ganon, the Demon King is too long", and then referring to this policy is just not a strong argument. [[User:KungFuLakitu|KungFuLakitu]], [[User talk:KungFuLakitu|Spiny Overlord]] 15:05, July 30, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:It's not a cheap bullet point; unlike other NIWA wikis, the SmashWiki has a major focus on the fans and community, and we take that into consideration when deciding on page names. Characters, moves, stages, etc. are referred to by what they're actually called, but there are other times when a fan name has ''much'' more usage than an official term (see "tech" instead of "ukemi"). We actually had a discussion on this in the Discord server earlier, and I would like to address it before someone else does: the names for Hero given in the presentation were ''not'' presented as official names. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:27, July 30, 2019 (EDT) | :It's not a cheap bullet point; unlike other NIWA wikis, the SmashWiki has a major focus on the fans and community, and we take that into consideration when deciding on page names. Characters, moves, stages, etc. are referred to by what they're actually called, but there are other times when a fan name has ''much'' more usage than an official term (see "tech" instead of "ukemi"). We actually had a discussion on this in the Discord server earlier, and I would like to address it before someone else does: the names for Hero given in the presentation were ''not'' presented as official names. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:27, July 30, 2019 (EDT) | ||
== Special move names == | |||
I've brought this up a couple times, but nothing's really been done about it. So I'm bringing it here. | |||
Currently, there are two different move proposals—one for [[Poltergust G-00]] and one for [[Ganon, The Demon King]]—to have those pages moved to a more generic term to encompass the whole of the move. I think that this is a terrible idea, and moreover think that special moves should be an exception to "SmashWiki is not official" (the suggestion for which having created proposals to move [[Mega Charizard X|both]] [[Mega Lucario|Mega Evolution]] pages to more proper terms pop up), primarily because: | |||
#"SmashWiki is not official" by no means is the same as "SmashWiki should refrain from using official terms". That has never been the case, and that will never be the case; we are an encyclopedia of information for the general public that occasionally covers fan terminology (teching, wavedashing, moonwalking, all that jazz). People keep bringing up "SmashWiki is not official" as a point to move pages to shorthand terms, when that's entirely not the purpose of the rule. | |||
#There already ''is'' an exception to "SmashWiki is not official": "'''In the absence of either an official name or a highly recognized fan term, such as most characters' normal moves, it is preferable to leave a name section blank than to "invent" a name for an unnamed move such as [[Mario]]'s [[down smash]]. Non-official sources for such things such as [[Prima Games]] guides or other fansites are unacceptable, and should be removed on sight.'''" Couple this with the fact that we flat out don't give a move's page a name until what the name actually is is confirmed (seen with Final Smashes for characters like [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=NES_Zapper_Posse&diff=620007&oldid=619243 Duck Hunt], [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Dark_Pit_Staff&diff=619994&oldid=616299 Dark Pit], and, most recently, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=House_of_Boom&diff=1480467&oldid=1479681 Steve]), and it makes it painstakingly clear that we already don't take fanmade names for things like this. | |||
It's time this got settled once and for all. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:44, October 29, 2020 (EDT) | |||