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Mega Man's Orange Costume

Flame Blast isn't the only Robot Master Weapon that gives Mega Man this color scheme. Almost every single fire-based Special Weapon in the Mega Man games gives Mega Man this color palette. Fire Storm (MM1), Atomic Fire (MM2), Pharaoh Shot (MM4), Flame Blast (obviously, MM6), Flame Sword (MM8), Wave Burner (MM&B), Magma Bazooka (MM9) and Solar Blaze (MM10) all use this type of color scheme. The only fire-type weapon in Mega Man's arsenal that doesn't follow this coloring tradition is the Scorch Wheel (MM7). Maybe change the current line to say "Resembles most of Mega Man's fire-based Robot Master weapons from across the franchise." SMM9673 (talk) 23:52, May 11, 2019 (EDT)

K. Rool's White Costume

The link for Mr. X leads to a blank page. I suggest changing it to lead to [1] to fix this. (Mr. X does not have a page on either the Super Mario wiki or the Donkey Kong wiki.) Burgrr (talk) 02:54, March 19, 2019 (EDT)

Wolf's Green Color is Leon

As it does resemble his Multiplayer colors, it is also a reference to Leon Powalski, Wolf's only consistent ally throughout every single game. The Green and Yellow matches his skin and scars as well as the purple to his body suit. It seems suitable that Leon is also referenced just like other colors reference the other members of Star Wolf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawksta64 (talk • contribs) 10:14, March 25, 2019

Ness' Green Alt

This alt has appeared in every smash game, but none of the other pages note it as a reference to Everdred. It still has a notable color similarity, but it lacks any notable similarities to his flowery shirt pattern. I'm not sure if there is a plausible source, but if there isn't I think the line should be removed. RandomUltimate (talk) 13:01, March 28, 2019 (EDT)

Isabelle's alternate costumes

Wanted to clear up some potential inaccuracies in the references for Isabelle's alternate costumes:

• Pink: The pink top with purple skirt very strongly resembles Pelly and Phyllis' outfits.
• Purple: I can't quite place this one, but I'm fairly certain it's meant to resemble an important character (like Sable or Reese) rather than a personal outfit Isabelle wears. It could also be Phyllis (her purple feathers as the purple top).
• Grey: This bears very little semblance to Isabelle's jean apron she wears on Labor Day. Rather, her clothes do strongly resemble those that Brewster wears (since he also wears black and white).
• Blue: Her light blue sweater and dark blue skirt look far more like Cyrus (who has light blue fur and a dark blue apron) than one-day-a-year Zipper T. Bunny (who just wears medium blue overalls).

Overall, I believe her alternate costumes (aside from her default and the yellow sweater) are meant to represent important characters in Animal Crossing rather than other outfits she wears.

Bayonetta's yellow and white costumes

These aren't definitive matches, but they're better than nothing:

• Yellow: The closest match for this is probably Loki from Bayonetta 2, as he wears a yellow hoodie and is predominantly yellow and orange. It also helps that the base costume is her Bayonetta 2 look (costume and color from the same game).
• White: I can think of three possible matches being Father Balder, the Masked Lumen, or Jeanne's white uniform (with black hair instead of white).

Wii Fit Trainer's Default

I'm pretty sure the default Wii Fit Trainer's hair is not from Wii Fit Plus and just from the original Wii Fit just like the rest of her design. In it she can have at least three different hairstyles, including the ponytail. The same can be said of the male Wii Fit Trainer, whose Smash hairstyle is also available in the original Wii Fit game. I suggest updating the page to reflect this. --99.88.120.176 00:43, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

Update: This may be unnecessary but I just want to say thanks for adding it in. --99.88.120.176 11:25, April 16, 2019 (EDT)

Joker's White School Uniform

It is a reference to his summer Shujin uniform, not Goro Akechi. It is simply giving the colors of Joker's summer school uniform to the winter model, right down to the pants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mann-Nova (talk • contribs) 00:53, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

1. Sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~), and 2. New discussions go at the bottom, not the top. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 01:48, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

I'm going to assume whomever added the Akechi part has never seen Akechi before? He wears a gray coat, not a white one, and there's no black on the collar either. If anything, Joker's white uniform looks more like Ideo Hazama from if... or Persona 2's Joker (which would be most likely given his name), both of who actually wear white clothing with black accents. For reference: Hazama Joker. I should also add in his 5th red costume also seems to be based on Arsene, he shares the red jacket, gray vest and black gloves. --Scheherazade (talk) 19:27, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

I was skeptical about it too, but as I'm not especially familiar with Persona, I went and re-added it as a "passing resemblance". I think the summer uniform is probably the closest resemblance, though. DryKirby64 (talk) 19:58, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

Could be. When I first saw it I immediatly thought it was a reference to Hazama, but since he's a villain I guess not. Since there's no yellow on it I don't think it's based on Persona 2 Joker either. --Scheherazade (talk) 16:06, April 20, 2019 (EDT)

K. Rool's Mr. X costume

I've just noticed the link to dkwiki's article on Mr. X leads to an "article doesn't exist" page, and said wiki has no page on Kackle either. I can't edit the article to correct this but wouldn't it just be easier to link to an image of Mr. X in this case? Example given. --Scheherazade (talk) 16:16, April 20, 2019 (EDT)

I guess the link could be changed to the section discussing Mr. X on the Super Mario Wiki. The section is at this link. KungFuLakitu (talk) 17:19, April 20, 2019 (EDT)

Good catch! I forgot that the Super Mario Wiki had DKC articles. Also on the topic of updating the Mr. X link, maybe the description of the color scheme could do with a minor reword. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but currently it says K. Rool's white costume is "Based on Mr. X" when the descriptions for other unverified references with costumes say "Resembles character". I don't remember seeing any sort of official confirmation that the white costume was based on Mr. X, especially since there's no source to verify it, so I feel that saying it's definitely "based on" is a bit too strong.--Scheherazade (talk) 21:16, April 20, 2019 (EDT)

Cyan Inkling

After the N-Zone (5/19 p. 10) is the cyan Inkling resembles Specs from the manga. Pokemon (talk) 10:53, April 21, 2019 (EDT)

Updating from Demo Pictures

For some reason Kirby, Zelda, Marth, R.O.B., Villager, Paluneta, and Simon's pallets haven't been updated from their demo pictures yet. I'd change them myself, but I unfortunately don't know how. Wolff (talk) 17:13, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

What do you mean by that? All of them have their full palettes. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 19:24, May 7, 2019 (EDT)

I guess something's wrong with the images on that page with my computer then. Weird. Wolff (talk) 15:13, May 8, 2019 (EDT)

Lucina's Purple costume

I know everyone says it's based on Sumia, but I feel like it references Panne. It makes more sense that all her costumes are based on the women who can't be her mother.203.63.233.223 09:19, May 28, 2019 (EDT)

Higher resolution variations from the official website.

Hi. On the Fighters page of the official website, it's possible to switch costumes from the selected fighter. By opening the source's page, it's possible to download each costume preview in a whopping resolution (over 1000x1000 pixels). Example 1, example 2. They are richly detailed, they have transparency, and they are (probably) the highest resolution available for alternate costumes in the game. Should we use these images instead? Gabrielwoj (talk) 17:35, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

I don't believe they have the alternate colors for the alternate costumes, do they? CookiesCreme 17:36, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

They, in fact, do. Aidan, the Rurouni 17:37, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Cool, then sure. CookiesCreme 17:38, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

I will obtain them, then convert them all to .png (as they are in .webp) and compile them into one huge .zip, so someone can properly include them into a single image. I will be adding the link to the .zip when I'm finished doing all that. Gabrielwoj (talk) 18:01, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Here is the .zip (1.09GB). Inside, there's folders for each character, the original .webp files are included (they came with .png from the Web, but they are actually .webp). The converted .png files have the prefix "converted_PNG_". Please note that there seem to be a slight difference from the original .webp and the converted .png (the differences are small, and may be in a result of .webp's format. This may be also a problem with my image viewer program). Banjo-Kazooie does not have a proper page on the official website yet, so no costumes for them at the moment, an extra link will be added as soon their costumes are available. Gabrielwoj (talk) 20:53, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

We have been aware of this source for a very long time; in fact, the current images are created from those images. We explicitly do not use them at full resolution because there really isn't any need to - after all, do you really want to start chugging down a gig of images just from loading this page? Toomai Glittershine The Brazen 20:56, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Images linked on an article loads the cached thumbnail, as opposed to the actual full image. Bandwidth would only be "wasted" if someone's decided to view the full image size, and the zip I provided is at 1gb because I kept the original files in there. Gabrielwoj (talk) 21:04, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

That's the other thing though: why would we upload and store these huge images if (almost) no one ever actually sees them? And it's not cheap for MediaWiki to create such thumbnails either. We're not an image hosting site, we only need to upload images as large as we use them. Toomai Glittershine The Multifaceted 21:07, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

As a compromise, I linked somebody’s google drive with high quality images of all of the alternate costumes. That way, the high quality versions are available, but they also don’t clog up data. Lou Cena (talk) 01:35, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

Does Find Mii still have color-based effects?

If so, shouldn't we be cataloguing which costumes count as which color the same way we did for Smash 4? Ahemtoday (talk) 14:47, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

After some experimentation, it appears Find Mii now decides which fighters get bonuses at random, with the zippy lines at the top now being colored after the bonuses the fighters recieved. Case closed, I guess. Ahemtoday (talk) 17:25, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

Ganondorf's White Alt?

Yo! I'm pretty sure Ganon's white alt is actually based on the ghost Darmani from Majora's Mask (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/5/52/Darmani.png/revision/latest?cb=20110105235415) based on the white/blue coloration and purple jewelry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meeper12346 (talk • contribs) 15:43, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

I can see it, but at the same time, Darmani is definitely more white than purple and blue - Ganondorf is distinctly all three, instead of slightly colored white. Aidan, the Rurouni 18:18, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

Simon 8th Recolor

So, I was looking for potential references for Simon's eighth recolor, and I think it might be based on Simon' cameo appearance in Ganbare Goemon 2. Does anyone else think it's plausible? Pacack (talk) 20:49, June 29, 2019 (EDT)

I feel like this is closer to his Super Castlevania IV design, which is already linked as the source of his fifth alternate costume. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 19:36, July 3, 2019 (EDT)

Well, the Super Castlevania IV design is more distinctly blue with light brown hair, while the Ganbare Goemon design is more distinctly purple and dark brown hair. Here's a comparison, for reference. (Of course, both recolors notably desaturated the colors of the reference material to fit in with the artstyle of Smash Bros.) Additionally, it's worth noting that all seven of Simon's other recolors are based off of various iterations of himself, rather than other characters in the series (as Richter's recolors are.) I think that's reason to believe the eighth recolor is likely based on a design on him as well. Pacack (talk) 16:35, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

Apologies for double posting, but I would like to have another opinion on this, as I believe this is a likelier origin for the costume than the currently listed one. Pacack (talk) 22:47, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

Bayonetta's Yellow and White Recolors

I would argue that the Yellow and White recolors that Bayonetta has are probably in reference to the Gold and Platinum/Pure Platinum ranks in Bayonetta, which have trophies corresponding to them. (I'm more confident in the White representing Platinum than I am about the gold, since the Platinum and Pure Platinum trophies display Bayonetta herself.) Pacack (talk) 19:23, July 3, 2019 (EDT)

The gold one I'm not sure about, since it could also likely just be chosen as the only primary color that isn't covered by her pre-existing Anarchy Reigns alts, but the platinum one definitely seems like a solid reference to me, especially since that's the name of the company. I'll go ahead and add it. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 19:30, July 3, 2019 (EDT)

Peach Gold and Black Colors

I'm skeptical about the gold costume being based off of Gold Mario. Instead, I would like to propose that it's based off of the Golden Mushroom, most well known for its Mario Kart appearances. After all, Peach is the Princess of the Mushroom Kingdom, and the item is literally a mushroom with a crown on its head.

Additionally, the source given for Peach's black recolor seems entirely baseless. There's no indication that black peach tea has anything to do with the recolor. May I suggest instead that her black recolor is based off of King Bob-omb, a fellow royal from the Mario series? Pacack (talk) 22:45, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

LOL. I don't know who added the black peach tea thing, but there's no reason for that. But even King Bob-omb is skeptical, since he's more of a bluish hue than black. But I don't think the gold is particularly based on anything. Aidan, the Rurouni 22:53, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

Honestly, King Bob-omb has a fairly inconsistent color scheme through the series. However, when the color was added in Smash 4, the most recent appearance of King Bob-omb from Mario Party 9 was distinctly black. Additionally, his most well-known appearances in Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS portrayed him as black. As such, I don't think the reference is much of a stretch.

I also don't think it's too farfetched to say that, if every other color of hers is a reference to something, the gold color likely is also. Granted, I think there are a number of possibilities for what that reference may be, but that can be solved be adding something along the lines of "it may also be a reference to coins or power stars, both common collectables in the Mario series." I'm personally of the opinion that the golden mushroom is the most likely primary reference, since a mushroom with a crown makes for such a natural reference to the Crown Princess of the Mushroom Kingdom. Especially because her crown is used as her symbol on a regular basis. Regardless, it seems better to include something there rather than leaving the reference area blank. Pacack (talk) 13:19, July 30, 2019 (EDT)

King Bob-Omb is a huge stretch since Peach already had a similar outfit to this in the official German comics, predating King Bob-Omb by two years. --Tailikku (talk) 13:34, September 30, 2019 (EDT)

Hero's alternate outfits

In the demo video yesterday, Sakurai said the 5th to 8th outfits are based off the heroes of other DQ installments. I think this means Outfit #5 is based off the Hero from DQX (and not Angelo) and #8 is the Hero from DQII (and not Terry). - Inkrid 195.212.11.97 06:51, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

What he said was "characters", not "heroes". And even so, Terry's lighter blue matches the alt better than DQII's Hero's dark blue does, and the Hero from DQX lacks the white hair seen in Luminary's alt (and DQX's Hero's outfit is decidedly more orange than red). Aidan, the Rurouni 21:20, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

The Sections for Kirby, Marth, Palutena, R.O.B., Simon, Villager, and Zelda

Hi, for this page, the alternate costumes displayed for Kirby, Marth, Palutena, R.O.B., Simon, Villager, and Zelda don't match up with the rest of the characters. Instead of a group of alternate costumes with a white background, the images for these characters instead has some of the game menu within it. I don't think I am allowed to change that myself, would someone who can change it so that it matches with the other characters? Thanks. --Thenonexistent (talk) 21:09, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not sure what you're talking about, as everything seems fine to me; can you provide a screenshot (through imgur or some other site like that)? Aidan, the Rurouni 21:12, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

It's possible you need to clear your cache; try hard-refreshing (CTRL+F5). ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 21:15, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I don't have an account for those sites. I've definitely cleared by cache several times, I ended up uploading some images, you'll have to delete them after looking at them. --Thenonexistent (talk) 21:19, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Not sure why it's doing this for me. --Thenonexistent (talk) 21:20, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Yea, that's definitely an older version of the file. Try, for the sake of argument, clearing your cache right now, and opening the page. Aidan, the Rurouni 21:28, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

So I did what you said, and it just refuses to update the images. When I look at the page through a mobile device it's fine, but for some reason it doesn't display the proper image on my laptop even after a hard-refresh. I guess I'll just have to deal with it. You can delete those images I uploaded. --Thenonexistent (talk) 21:34, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Have you also tried manually clearing the cache? (CTRL+SHIFT+DEL) ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 22:09, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Yes, I have done that several times. It just refuses to change. I'm not gonna bother losing sleep over this. --Thenonexistent (talk) 22:15, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Banjo's yellow color

Kazooie's Yellow with Brown resembles Terry, the terrydactyle boss of Terrydactyle Land

Kirby's Orange color

While the page mentions that it resembles Suplex Kirby and the Orange spray paint, it also resembles Kirby's orange palette when he has any Copy ability (other than Ice and Freeze) in Kirby's Adventure. Puffiest Puff (talk) 17:08, September 12, 2019 (EDT)

I think that's a stretch, since that color scheme is more tan than orange. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 17:35, September 12, 2019 (EDT)

Other possibilities for Banjo's alts

Banjo's yellow alt comes to me as more of a general reference to Gobi's Valley, the desert level in Banjo-Kazooie - I agree that Banjo's yellow fur is most likely based on Squawkmatch, but I personally think Kazooie could also be based on Gobi.

Additionally, I believe Banjo's blue alt is moreso based on the two bosses from Banjo-Tooie, with Banjo being based on Chilly Willy and Kazooie being based on Chili Billi. --Meeper12346 (talk) 18:45, September 15th, 2019 (EDT)

Few more possible costume origins

1)Banjo's Black alt could also resemble his appearence in Nuts & Bolts, where he had darker fur.

2)Captain Falcon's cyan costume resembles Blood Falcon's blue alternate color in F-Zero GX.

3)Dark Samus's green color could be a reference to Metroids. After all, she is a hybrid of these species.

4)Lucas's blue alt resembles Ninten and Ness's clothes (Minus light yellow hair). Cyan shoes give closer resemblance to former.

5)Mario's black color resembles Hammer Mario's sprites in SMB3.

6)I think Marth also had Yellow outfit in Fire Emblem OVA. Concidering his Japanese voice actor, it may or may not be a reference.

7)We can also note, that Wario Biker Green alt had it's Jacket's color changed from blue to green since Smash For 3DS/Wii U. It's the one reason it has resemblance to his player 4 color in Mega Party Game$ MrLlort (talk) 11:49, September 21, 2019 (EDT).

1) Bottles is a closer match

2) Looks close, but it seems to match Rick Wheeler a bit more.

3) Not quite, Metroids are green and pink.

4) The yellow doesn't match, since it's actually orange.

5) We already have confirmation that it's based on Foreman Spike, according to the original game's website.

6) Marth never wore such an outfit in the OVA. He just stuck with his blue outfit. --Tailikku (talk) 13:28, September 30, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not sure if this is implying that alts can have only one origin written or not. Because it's obviously not a thing.

1)I agree. But we can still write that it also resembles his N&B appearence (Example: Ike's Yellow color- "Resembles Greil, Ike's father. The costume and green headband is also reminiscent of Ike's appearence in the Lord class.")

2)I can't see that at all, sorry.

3)Maybe

4)Doesn't really change much (At least to the point, where you can't see any resemblance). Not all colors have to be super consistent to what we write down on page. King Dedede's pink and blue costumes don't change his skin to Purple and Grey to match his colors in Kirby 64 Multiplayer mode. Little Mac's White alt has his colors inversed in comparison to his NES sprite. Meta Knight's Navy color has red eyes, but nobody disagrees with it's curent origin. There are probably few more examples.

5)I'm well aware of that. But it had Brown/Tan color back then. Now that it was changed to Black/White since Melee, it barerly resembles it's original source material(Unless this is Foreman Spike from Wrecking Crew 98 we are talking about). Additionaly, we can add information on alts even if it's origins were already confirmed (Samus's pink color is the best example: "Based on the Gravity Suit's in-game sprite from Super Metroid, but more closely resembles the color scheme of the Varia Suit of the original Metroid when missiles are selected").

6)I checked OVA once again, due to my memory being short on this one. And yes, he has yellow outfit with black(ish) jeans and orange lines to match before getting classic blue one. It's first seen at the beggining of the 1-st episode 3 and half minutes in. It's not his regular outfit, sure, but it's close match. MrLlort (talk) 14:59, October 3, 2019 (EDT)

1) Banjo's fur in the alt is clearly black. If it were a darker brown (which is the coloring in N&B), then a case could be made, but since it isn't, I find it hard to believe it's a reference to N&B.

2) I see a closer resemblance to the Blood Falcon alt than Rick Wheeler, though that one's a bit too blue in comparison to the lighter coloring of Falcon's alt.

3) The green alt lacks any pink, so it's likely not a reference to the Metroids.

4) I fail to see any similarity to either Ninten or Ness. And it does make a difference if you're the only one who sees it, because if no one else does, then it's not a likely comparison.

6) You mean this?

Aidan, the Spooky Rurouni 19:30, October 3, 2019 (EDT)

The question is whether or not should darker/lighter costumes be accepted. I guess we do? We have King K. Rool's Brown and Charizard's yellow, that feel way too dark, but that's the case of skins, not costumes. We also have Dark Pit's Brown, that really mathes Magnus in everything, but the ammount of red color on clothes. As for Marth, yes, it's this, but I slowly start doubting any relation to OVA. MrLlort (talk) 15:03, October 13, 2019 (EDT)

K. Rool's white costume and Super Kong

Currently, K. Rool's white costume is the only one that doesn't have a note saying it resembles something from the Donkey Kong series. Perhaps we could say that it resembles Super Kong? The facts are these:

• K. Rool's scales are white, similar to Super Kong's fur.
• K. Rool's cape is blue with yellow highlights, just like Super Kong's tie.
• Compared to K. Rool's default golden armor, his chestplate and wristbands have a more natural flesh-colored hue, similar to Super Kong's skin on his chest and hands.
• The only piece that doesn't really match up to Super Kong at all is the golden crown, although this is present in all of K. Rool's costumes.

Any objections to saying that K. Rool's white costume resembles Super Kong? --PeabodySam (talk) 21:07, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

I do: It better resembles any of the Kackles or the concept art (aka Mr. X) better than it does Super Kong. Besides, those aren't flesh-tones, they're copper. Flesh-tones would be closer to a cream-color while these are a closer match for a copper color, seeing as these same colored metallic hues are also present on the blue color.Tailikku (talk) 15:46, October 18, 2019 (EDT)

You're right that it's copper and not flesh, but you seem to have misinterpreted my argument (and I apologize if my wording wasn't clear): while it's obviously not flesh, it appears closer to flesh when compared with the clearly-metallic hue of the default golden armor. When factoring in the overall color composition (white body, copper chest/wrists, blue/yellow neck accessory), that's where I see resemblance to Super Kong in this color scheme. It's not perfect, but it's fairly close.

Honestly, I can't say I see a matching color composition in Kackle or Mr. X. The Kackle's bones are beige-tinted rather than a clean white (that's certainly a difference just as clearly distinct as your "copper isn't flesh" argument, but it takes up the whole body instead of just a few parts), and while one of the Kackles does have a blue scarf, said scarf doesn't have yellow patterns like Super Kong's tie; the yellow is instead on the belt buckle. Despite having similar white skin, Mr. X is predominantly black due to his large coat and hat taking up much of his color composition, while blue is relegated to a small medal on his chest. Some of the colors in K. Rool's white alt are present in Kackle and Mr. X, sure, but the overall composition and arrangement don't match up nearly as well as Super Kong. --PeabodySam (talk) 09:53, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

I support this interpretation. - Mega Mario Man (talk) 22:07, October 22, 2019 (EDT)

I think it's a stretch, since K. Rool wasn't in Returns and a white/blue color scheme is common enough that it's not exclusive to Super DK in particular. As mentioned, the armor is more of a bronze or copper than flesh tone, so it doesn't really bring that to mind either. I don't think the costume is based on anything in particular; not every costume is automatically a reference. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 22:13, October 22, 2019 (EDT)