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→‎Piranha Plant alts: I would really appreciate it if we stopped forcing obscure references to Nipper Plants and Paper Mario baddies when there are more 1-to-1 potential sources of inspiration for these alts.

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 The reasoning for not mentioning glad piranha's is also pedantic.
 [[User:Gagesango|Gagesango]] ([[User talk:Gagesango|talk]]) 22:13, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
+:The pink one definitely resembles the Piranha Creeper from ''3D World''. I don't know why Tailikku is forcing a resemblance to Nippers (which do not match any of the colors exactly, lack spots, and lack prominent stalks) when there are actual Piranha Plant species that look almost exactly like these alts. I do not mean to sound accusative, but you are being awfully declarative about these dubious sources of inspirations. And if you need to argue ''why'' your attributed source of reference makes sense in the description (i.e. "Personally, I think the following would be more accurate:
+:#The container Piranha Plant sits in changes with each costume. It sits in the [[mariowiki:File:Piranha Plant Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png|brown pot]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D World}}'' by default.
+:#Resembles its [[mariowiki:File:Piranha Plant SMB.png|original design]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros.}}'' The pot is replaced with a green {{s|mariowiki|pipe}}.
+:#Resembles various yellow Piranha Plants from the ''{{uv|Mario}}'' series: the [[mariowiki:File:SMB3-NES-PipeKingTransformed.png|transformed king of Pipe Land]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros. 3}}'', the {{s|mariowiki|Wild Ptooie Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island}}'' after being struck once, and the {{s|mariowiki|Glad Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Princess Peach}}''. It sits in a magenta pot.
+:#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Piranha Creeper}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D World}}''. It sits in a black pipe.
+:#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Inky Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D Land}}''. It sits in a red pot.
+:#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Bone Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|New Super Mario Bros. 2}}''. It sits in a yellow pipe.
+:#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Prickly Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Galaxy}}''. It sits in a yellow pot.
+:#Resembles its [[mariowiki:File:Piranha plant-underground.png|blue cave sprite]] from ''Super Mario Bros.'' The pot is replaced with a brown pipe.
+:When I initially implemented this description, Tailikku reversed it and made very defensive arguments in response that are unsubstantiated. I will try to address them as best I can here:
+:#"''The Glad Piranha is just a normal Piranha Plant affected by the Joy vibe, making it look yellow.''" I fail to see why that matters. The point is that it '''looks''' like a yellow Piranha with a green stalk. The reasoning why its yellow doesn't really matter. There are plenty of alts in ''Smash'' based off of temporary forms, including Mario's white alt (which is based on Fire Mario) and nearly all of Samus's alts.
+:#"''[Nipper plants] are hot pink, it's due to the shading of the graphics.''" This makes no sense. There is no artwork or secondary material that suggests Nipper Plants are hot pink. Nearly all official artwork suggests that they are suppose to white. Please provide a reference if they are suppose to be hot pink (which looks like [https://www.google.com/search?q=hot+pink&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZzOXH1LTeAhWoHzQIHarwAekQ_AUIEygB&biw=1707&bih=804&dpr=1.13#imgrc=_ this], btw).
+:#"''It is not a reference to the Inky Piranha Plant.  The Pale Piranha predates it by a few years and is far more common.''" A.) The commonality of a potential source of inspiration has never mattered. B.) It doesn't matter that the Pale Piranha Plant is "older" than the Inky Piranha - the latter looks '''identical'' to the alt because it has a green stalk.
+:#"''as it appeared in the original NES release of ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', and later in ''Yoshi's Island''.  The spots are based on the spores that the Nippers spawn from in ''Yoshi's Story''.''" If you need to explain why your reference is valid in the description itself, it's probably not as tenable as you think. Wouldn't it make more sense to have this alt be based off of the grayish white Bone Piranha, which actually has depressions in its head that resemble the spots of this alt?
+:#"''The Frost Piranha in previous games had a blue stalk, while in Super Paper Mario it was green''". This argument doesn't matter because Piranha Plant's blue alt does not have a green or blue stalk. its yellow, like the other alt from ''Super Mario Bros.'' If it was suppose to be the Frost Piranha, surely they would have made the stalk blue or green. Instead, they specifically deviated from it.
+:I would really appreciate it if other users took a look at my arguments. Thanks! [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 22:39, 1 November 2018 (EDT)