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:For future reference, [[User talk:Exciled|here is the link]] to the old conversation. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 07:37, 2 March 2018 (EST)
:For future reference, [[User talk:Exciled|here is the link]] to the old conversation. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 07:37, 2 March 2018 (EST)
::If I might chime in here, theres a couple things I'd like to say on the matter. Firstly with regards to rollback the rules are very hazy when it comes to reverting your own edits, and while it's not technically permitted by [[SW:RB]], it is something that people have been doing for a while, and has become somewhat of an unspoken rule. In terms of NPA, perhaps the rules have changed a little since you were last here, but as it currently stands, using aggressive language towards another user is generally frowned upon, so warning users about NPA in these circumstances is acceptable. Probation as it currently stands is often used when a user primarily or solely edits their own userpage, and makes little or no effort to make actually constructive edits towards the wiki, which the user in question was doing. Finally, while admittedly Black Vulpine historically doesn't take criticism all that well, and is likely being rather melodramatic here, he has a point. You have been constantly complaining about things he has done, despite him not actually doing anything wrong, which is highly frustrating and counterproductive, so I would recommend you take the time to update yourself on our policies and refrain from doing so in future. That is all. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 07:49, 2 March 2018 (EST)
::If I might chime in here, theres a couple things I'd like to say on the matter. Firstly with regards to rollback the rules are very hazy when it comes to reverting your own edits, and while it's not technically permitted by [[SW:RB]], it is something that people have been doing for a while, and has become somewhat of an unspoken rule. In terms of NPA, perhaps the rules have changed a little since you were last here, but as it currently stands, using aggressive language towards another user is generally frowned upon, so warning users about NPA in these circumstances is acceptable. Probation as it currently stands is often used when a user primarily or solely edits their own userpage, and makes little or no effort to make actually constructive edits towards the wiki, which the user in question was doing. Finally, while admittedly Black Vulpine historically doesn't take criticism all that well, and is likely being rather melodramatic here, he has a point. You have been constantly complaining about things he has done, despite him not actually doing anything wrong, which is highly frustrating and counterproductive, so I would recommend you take the time to update yourself on our policies and refrain from doing so in future. That is all. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 07:49, 2 March 2018 (EST)
:::If it's not technically permitted by SW:RB, then it needs to stop. Allowing people wiggle room to use it occasionally for good faith edits is setting a really bad precedent that gives people the idea to abuse it. Rollback has always been used exclusively as a vandalism tool, and it should be kept that way. If you want to go further into that, go ahead, I'll happily debate it with you.
:::Rudeness has always been frowned upon here, however there is a major difference between telling someone that they're being rude and accusing them of violating them of NPA. Probation has always worked that way as well, but in this case I think it's unnecessary for a regular user to warn someone about probation if an administrator has not addressed it yet as a problem.
:::It's dubious to claim that Black Vulpine has "done nothing wrong," when I've outlined the issues above, and as you said, some of the things technically aren't permitted by policy. What is more counterproductive is a user making the same mistakes, and refusing to listen to what other users tell them. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 08:05, 2 March 2018 (EST)

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The short-form templates

Why do you change {{SSBB|Character}} to [[Character (SSBB)|Character]]? You should be doing the opposite (or at least leave it alone). Toomai Glittershine ??? The Victorious 07:38, 16 January 2013 (EST)

Sorry about that. I didn't know they did the same thing. I'll try not to. Ac2k (talk) 08:05, 16 January 2013 (EST)

Useless redirects

can be broken if you want to use the speedy delete template or something on them. No one really cares. MegaTron1XDDecepticon.png 10:40, 10 February 2013 (EST)

On the subject of pointless redirects, could you please make sure they are a) not linked from anything before you tag them for deletion (check whatlinkshere), and b) that you then put the delete template above the redirect to make them easier to reach from the deletion category? Thanks, and keep up the good work. Miles (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

I usually replace all the images that are linked to there after I move them. And I thought that putting the delete tag above the Redirect thing would mess up the coding. I'll do that instead. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:18, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Category:Stage Hazards

Why did you add this nonexistent category to a bunch of pages? BlueRidiculous 20:35, 16 February 2013 (EST)

I'm gonna make it later.Ac2k 20:40, 16 February 2013 (EST)

Just so you know

"Could an admin please change the coding so that non-admins can not leave redirects when moving pages?"

In order to do this we would have to give all users the suppressredirect ability. As a result all users would be capable of replacing pages with redlinks, basically deleting them and moving the page history somewhere else, which would be too easy to abuse compared to the amount of constructive use the average user would get out of it. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Superlative 21:57, 11 April 2013 (EDT) Alright, that's okay. Awesome Cardinal 2000 07:19, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Umm

Why? BRAWLS BoFSig.png OF BoFSig.pngFURY 14:16, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

Because if you do the other way, then the comma is preceded by a space. Which is grammatically incorrect. Awesome Cardinal 2000 14:21, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
Time to rip off Wikipedia then. New template. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Quintonic 14:26, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
You misspelled italic, by the way. Awesome Cardinal 2000 14:39, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

Brawl codes

Hi, can I play a few matches with you? My FC is 0648-6416-9760. I am always available on Wednesday to Sunday. I am busy on Thursdays.Boo Buddy (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

Come on IRC whenever you're ready. :) Awesome Cardinal 2000 13:13, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
My friend code is 0304-3759-8688. Awesome Cardinal 2000 13:18, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

Tier position chart

Hello, if you are going to make a tier position chart for Melee, I have started one on my sandbox page, but it doesn't have the individual tier changes yet. If you want to copy it and continue it from there, go ahead. Scr7Wolfsig.png 15:18, 19 June 2013 (EDT)

I'd rather just help you instead if you need it. Awesome Cardinal 2000 15:29, 19 June 2013 (EDT)
Ok, I'm trying to finish it off Scr7Wolfsig.png 15:43, 19 June 2013 (EDT)
Done it now. Scr7Wolfsig.png 16:05, 19 June 2013 (EDT)

Brawling

Hello, I would like to brawl you. My friend code is on my userpage. When you're ready, just say so here or go on IRC. Scr7Wolfsig.png 13:25, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

Oh and make sure I'm online on the wiki when you're ready. Scr7Wolfsig.png 13:30, 4 July 2013 (EDT)
Sorry for the late reply, I'm been away for three weeks and I won't be able to play you until at least the very end of July. I can notify you when I am available if you like. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:58, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
You can do it on my talk page or the IRC. Scr7Wolfsig.png 01:44, 13 July 2013 (EDT)

Are you available right now?Boo BuddyHaunter MS.png 12:09, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah Awesome Cardinal 2000 12:11, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

SW:RFR

You can become a rollback this way. But if you don't need it, I understand. Dots MewtwoMS.png The Kirby 10:09, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

I'll probably apply for it later. Awesome Cardinal 2000 23:37, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

Woah

Are all these link fixes necessary? I thought that the links that were there before redirect to the knockback charts. Scr7Wolfsig.png 11:34, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

Never mind, I don't really understand how they are unnecessary redirects but whatever. Scr7Wolfsig.png 11:36, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

Thanks

I'm not great with detecting genders lol. LightningBlue405MS.png 19:49, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

TheBrawl? to end my summer

Ready when you are. Dots MewtwoMS.png The Light 11:47, 24 August 2013 (EDT)

Sorry, I'll probably have to do it later this afternoon. Awesome Cardinal 2000 12:30, 24 August 2013 (EDT)
Actually I have time now. I'll go on IRC. Awesome Cardinal 2000 12:32, 24 August 2013 (EDT)

Tristate Area

No name is correct, and googling Tristate Area and Brawl together doesn't bring up much, although Mega says tristate is a commonly used term among smashers. We use the more common name, there isn't really a "correct" one. RoyboyX Talk 17:38, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

Also SmashWiki is not official anyway. Scr7Wolfsig.png =D 17:40, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

I'm suggesting that I may not have the correct name for the Smash region, and I put that notice there to see if anyone knew what the most commonly used name was. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:56, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
I don't care what the outcome is, but both of you, Stop edit warring. DoctorPain99 18:02, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

Brawl plz

Wanna brawl with me? My Hands are gonna show you their moves some great skills. My friend code is on my page, though beware with Master Hand. Add me as "Cmh98". Crazymasterhand98Crazyhandflash.gif 16:42, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

Sorry, I won't be able to brawl you until Thursday. Also, make sure to sign with four tildes instead of three. Awesome Cardinal 2000 11:07, 31 August 2013 (EDT)
Okay, but... I don't think i can this Thursday. Maybe the next weekend? Crazymasterhand98Crazyhandflash.gif 16:42, 31 August 2013 (EDT)
I should be available. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:19, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

MSNAs

Yes, that's when I'm calling them. Anyway, I'm in favor of keeping them as is as I've said. However, can you alongside me appreciate how long the discussion has been going on, and that maybe it's run its course? OT won't get involved, he's said to me. RoyboyX Talk 20:41, 30 September 2013 (EDT)

I'm going to keep supporting the merge, as I see nothing wrong with it. Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:46, 1 October 2013 (EDT)
That doesn't answer my question. RoyboyX Talk 17:03, 1 October 2013 (EDT)
I do understand how long this has been going on and would like it to be resolved as well, but I am still in favor of merging it. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:51, 1 October 2013 (EDT)
Considering you and Scr7 will probably duke it forever about it and the Tyrant himself refuses to be involved, how do you suppose we go about ending this? Although I should say it hasn't gone on as long as Pro Impact Players/Videography and Hookshot and Clawshot, the latter which still hasn't been ended. RoyboyX Talk 18:45, 1 October 2013 (EDT)
I'd like it if it were just merged right now, but if the argument's going nowhere, the best solution in my opinion would to ask more people for their opinions, or ask people from both sides to come with new arguments/restate arguments that have not been refuted. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:43, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

T:Sm

I'm curious about what you were trying to do here. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Steppin' 17:50, 7 October 2013 (EDT)

Add a line separating the characters from the rest of the name and/or the flag. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:58, 7 October 2013 (EDT)

Brawl?

Wanna Brawl? My Brawl Code is on my userpage. I'm available on weekends (Including Friday after 2:20). FireMario1534 (talk) 00:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)

If you can give me a time you'd like I'll probably be available. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:47, 22 November 2013 (EST)
Tomorrow sometime? FireMario1534 21:55, 22 November 2013 (EST)
What time? Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:56, 22 November 2013 (EST)
Are you available at 3:00? FireMario1534 22:47, 22 November 2013 (EST)
I should be. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:11, 23 November 2013 (EST)
Okay sweet. Goodbye until then. This is FireMario1534 00:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)
What time zone? Awesome Cardinal 2000 09:52, 23 November 2013 (EST)
3:00 PST FireMario1534 16:59, 23 November 2013 (EST)

Good games. I think that if you don't always use Game & Watch's down air when you're above people and don't use Rocketbarrel Boost onstage, you'd be better. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:10, 23 November 2013 (EST)

Also...

Do you know if there was any proof that Xyro77 ended the HOBO and WHOBO such as a post on SWF of him stating it? All I can find was the title, "Houston Thread - No HOBOs and no WHOBOs. What do we do now??????????????????????????????????????????" Dots (talk) MewtwoMS.png The Justice 22:39, 26 November 2013 (EST)

I hear Xyro talking about not hosting any more HOBOs and WHOBOs in the results thread of his tournaments such as WHOBO 5, so if he says that he won't be hosting any more, he probably won't. Awesome Cardinal 2000 23:20, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Brawl

I know it's an hour early but would you mind brawling now? Go on IRC when your ready. Dots (talk) MewtwoMS.png The Keyboard 14:44, 30 November 2013 (EST)

sure. Awesome Cardinal 2000 14:46, 30 November 2013 (EST)

Floor attacks

...are not dependent on damage, but on whether the character is lying on their front or on their back. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Superlative 22:04, 30 November 2013 (EST)

What determines whether they lie on the front or back? Awesome Cardinal 2000 22:24, 30 November 2013 (EST)
What frame of the tumbling animation they're at when they land, I think. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Breegull 23:57, 30 November 2013 (EST)

BBrawl

Check if there are any "stages" on your SD card left. Smash Stack uses exploits where it forces Brawl to read a custom "stage" that ends up loading data on the SD card, allowing you to play the hack. At least that's how I think it works, but either way, that "stage" file makes your game crash when you're playing it normally because vBrawl loads custom stages as soon as you get to stage select, and it can't read the exploit as a normal custom stage on that screen. --Timson622222 (talk) 17:01, 1 January 2014 (EST)

Thanks for telling me about this, I'll look into it later. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:19, 1 January 2014 (EST)

My Name

It's OrangeBooloon, not Orange Balloon. t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 17:29, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Sorry for misspelling your name and I will try not to do that in the future. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:36, 24 January 2014 (EST)

4/1/14

April fools jerk. ORANGEBOOLOON(T) 00:20, 5 April 2014 (EDT)

It isn't April Fools anymore. Wait for a year later. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The SNES 00:47, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
I know that. I was just talking about his post on the AN. ORANGEBOOLOON(T) 19:54, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
That was a joke too. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:11, 5 April 2014 (EDT)

Brawl again?

You said you'd like to brawl me again in the future, wanna brawl again? Smash Master 15:03, 18 May 2014 (EDT)

7:00 PM Eastern works for me. Also you can still brawl people after the wi-fi shutdown since people have created specialized servers for Wii wifi. I've added your friend code to the server already. Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:03, 18 May 2014 (EDT)

Question for you

If I was the one that got to reverting your edits first instead of Miles, would you be making the same poopfest on my talkpage? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Eggster 15:41, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

If that was the first time you did something like that, probably not. I'm more concerned about the Miles situation because he's been told about the community response thing before and seems to not have listened to anything in the last discussion. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:59, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

Since Toom didn't seem to make it clear enough for you, allow me to: 100% of the wiki's active staff considers your edits on the subjects involved non-constructive. This is your final warning to stop edit warring to reinstate removed information. Miles (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

Are you aware that the current staff consists of only 2 members? Why does it matter if the staff members think this if everyone's opinion is valuable? and the staff members are refusing to comment on discussion? Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:46, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
If your position is sound enough to merit this kind of argument, then surely you can point to multiple active users other than yourself who support it. Having not followed this discussion closely, I don't know who they are, so why not just sum it up for me? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Keymaster 22:07, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
"Are you aware that the current staff consists of only 2 members?"
...DUDE. There are other staff members here besides Toomai and Miles. There are a bunch of active people here who could very well be considered staff members. AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNGAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSig.jpg 23:30, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
No there aren't... DoctorPain99 23:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
I think what he means as in only two members is only two active admins here. We have enough admins and I like it how it is already, but if we lose Miles, there will be only one big guy on the wiki which will be a problem. Dots (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Zero 09:37, 18 March 2015 (EDT)

Something that I actually got to say to you.

Per the above section and about that tier list thing, I would have to say that not that many professionals believe that Diddy Kong should be banned for being broken best in Smash 4. I would agree with you that he is arguably the best in the game but he is nowhere even close as being ban potential like Brawl Meta Knight was. Just a heads up. Dots (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Calvin and Hobbes 22:14, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

VIP Players

So I found out today that Marss has made Top 8 at Pound 2016, which is his second national tournament he has attended (first being Genesis 3, which he also made Top 8 in). He's also #1 in the New England region's PR. At this point, would he be eligible for the VIP list. Feel free to give me your thoughts. --FXSig2.png Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 15:45, 3 April 2016 (EST)

Top 8 in 2 majors? I'd say that qualifies him Serpent SKSig.png King 15:50, 3 April 2016 (EDT)
Well, confirmed via Admin Approval.--FXSig2.png Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 16:38, 3 April 2016 (EST)
Yeah I'd agree too. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:26, 3 April 2016 (EDT)

A bunch of things

I'm taking this over here because I gotta keep this argument off the other user's talk page.

  1. Using Rollback for a self-reversion is perfectly acceptable. This has been established with the other admins time and time again. I'm getting sick of people telling me I can't do that, because I can, and I have been told by the administration that I can.
  2. I am ignoring what you say and, *ahem*... 'strawmanning' what Serpent said, because you have been told not to butt in on other people's conversations, and you are still doing it. I don't care if you think it is for a valid reason, you are still causing harm.
  3. What I said on there is not a warning. Only admins can issue warnings. What I gave was just a reminder. I was also looking at the big picture when I gave that reminder, and considered the fact that the user in question has made no mainspace edits despite being a member for some time. The number of edits they have overall is small, but would still be a concern for the administration. If I discussed this with an admin, I am sure I would be agreed with.

Finally, LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. I am OFFICIALLY sick and tired of you harassing me over everything I do on this wiki. You are bullying me over things that are too small to matter over, and are seriously getting on my nerves. If you do not stop, I will be making an official complaint to the administration against you on the grounds of harassment. I will not engage with you further over any matter on this wiki, unless it has a constructive purpose and is not another nitpick on me. Good day. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 06:09, 2 March 2018 (EST)

Well looking at your talk page, it looks like you have been warned by other users not to use rollback for good faith edits, which was not the case with your latest reversion. Besides, allowing rollback for minor things like that just leads to a slippery slope, where eventually everyone thinks it's okay to use rollback because "everyone does it."
As for the butting in on conversations thing, actually take a look and read what I said. I'm butting in because you are falsely accusing other users of policy violations and/or needlessly threatening them with administrator action, which is unacceptable. You are the one "causing harm" here by carelessly throwing out accusations of NPA and other policy violations.
Probation is reserved for cases when a user's edits are being clearly disruptive to the wiki. That would mean something like disrupting the flow of Recent Changes with multiple edits on a daily basis. Six edits in six months is nothing to complain about, and if an admin hasn't already warned a user about probation, you should probably just leave the issue alone.
It's so disappointing to see that any hint of negative criticism is passed off by you as "bullying" and "harassment", instead of you actually reading what I'm saying and attempting to imrpove off of it. And falsely/needlessly accusing people of violating policies is nothing that is "too small to matter over." These carry serious consequences (by giving users the false impression that they're in trouble) that cannot just be thrown around whenever you like. Instead of whining at me for "harassing" you, read what I said and think about actually fixing the problems, or at least challenge why you think I'm wrong, don't call me a "bully" for issuing constructive criticism.
For future reference, here is the link to the old conversation. Awesome Cardinal 2000 07:37, 2 March 2018 (EST)
If I might chime in here, theres a couple things I'd like to say on the matter. Firstly with regards to rollback the rules are very hazy when it comes to reverting your own edits, and while it's not technically permitted by SW:RB, it is something that people have been doing for a while, and has become somewhat of an unspoken rule. In terms of NPA, perhaps the rules have changed a little since you were last here, but as it currently stands, using aggressive language towards another user is generally frowned upon, so warning users about NPA in these circumstances is acceptable. Probation as it currently stands is often used when a user primarily or solely edits their own userpage, and makes little or no effort to make actually constructive edits towards the wiki, which the user in question was doing. Finally, while admittedly Black Vulpine historically doesn't take criticism all that well, and is likely being rather melodramatic here, he has a point. You have been constantly complaining about things he has done, despite him not actually doing anything wrong, which is highly frustrating and counterproductive, so I would recommend you take the time to update yourself on our policies and refrain from doing so in future. That is all. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 07:49, 2 March 2018 (EST)
If it's not technically permitted by SW:RB, then it needs to stop. Allowing people wiggle room to use it occasionally for good faith edits is setting a really bad precedent that gives people the idea to abuse it. Rollback has always been used exclusively as a vandalism tool, and it should be kept that way. If you want to go further into that, go ahead, I'll happily debate it with you.
Rudeness has always been frowned upon here, however there is a major difference between telling someone that they're being rude and accusing them of violating them of NPA. Probation has always worked that way as well, but in this case I think it's unnecessary for a regular user to warn someone about probation if an administrator has not addressed it yet as a problem.
It's dubious to claim that Black Vulpine has "done nothing wrong," when I've outlined the issues above, and as you said, some of the things technically aren't permitted by policy. What is more counterproductive is a user making the same mistakes, and refusing to listen to what other users tell them. Awesome Cardinal 2000 08:05, 2 March 2018 (EST)