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== Congrats. == | |||
Congrats on becoming a rollbacker! [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 08:41, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_8HhDvgbQ Obligatory celebration music] [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 08:45, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::xD [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 08:46, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Sorry I'm late... Congrats, SK! Here, have [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bneHxeIWSRk this] | |||
:::I'll see myself out... [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Red">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 10:40, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Let me join on the congrats train, congrats on becoming a rollbacker too! :D [[User:Disaster Flare|Disaster Flare]] ([[User talk:Disaster Flare|talk]]) 12:13, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Did you guys......just walk up slowly...and copypaste this on Disaster Flare's page? 16:08, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::Thanks all :D [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 19:40, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
<small>(reset indent)</small> OK, I'm getting perplexed as of this point. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Dare I ask about what? [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 03:31, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::A majority of users have been receiving rollback lately. I feel to be the odd one out. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Noticeboard == | |||
Sorry about that, I typically know that, but I'm multitasking like crazy right now and it's an abnormally slow day on the wiki when it comes to vandals. XD [[User:Disaster Flare|Disaster Flare]] ([[User talk:Disaster Flare|talk]]) 20:02, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:No problem [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 20:07, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Toon Link == | |||
Why do you keep doing that? - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:TL has a higher weight val than YL, fine. But in our changes, we do not list that TL is heavier, as the new weight/knockback formula changes everything. When comparing 2 games, the numbers matter very little (except damage). [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:12, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::What formula (also, what about when comparing Fox from ''Melee'' to ''Brawl''; he goes from 75 to 80)? - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::[[Knockback]]. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:16, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::That formula doesn't correlate with weight, just knockback, which is affected by both weight and gravity (which is exactly what I've been telling you). - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::...right...it affects weight...that's my point. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:23, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::It does not. Weight remains the same, but how it factors in gravity just simply affects knockback taken, and few heavier characters take more knockback than lighter characters. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
<small>reset indent</small> ...what? No...no it doesn't. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:28, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:No what doesn't? - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::within the same game, Heavy characters will take less KB than lighter characters. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:32, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Here's proof: [[Knockback#Knockback chart|here]]. Fox can take more knockback than MK and Pikachu despite being heavier. [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Yeah, fine, but that's the extra gravity variable working. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:38, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Exactly. So TL may just take more kb than YL even though he's heavier, only because of the formula factoring in gravity. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::Your missing the fact that the gravity variable doesn't exist in Melee, as far as I know [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:40, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::::I know, but this is Brawl we're talking aboot here. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
Look, fact is that if the same amount of base KB and angle is applied to 0% YL and to 0% TL, TL is going to go further. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:46, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:That's what I said. TL is heavier, but takes more knockback due to the new formula. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Then he's lighter!!! If you want to put it like that, you'll have to mention that, in the end, because of the gravity stat, he ends up being lighter than YL. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:48, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::(facepalm) Oh my freaking god, you just don't get it, do you? The new formula applied to SSBB only changes knockback due to a new factor of gravity, but nevertheless, the weight values do not change (this is beginning to be like the argument between Miles and Omega on [[Alph]] page). - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::: #1 [[SW:NPA]]. #2 Then why did you say YLs weight was lower? It isn't... [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::I said that because it's true. Also, how was I personally attacking you? - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::Really? WE JUST WENT OVER THIS. It isn't true, weight is not changed, gravity is. Note that. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 02:58, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
<small>(reset indent)</small> Look, let me just make a long story short: TL is 92 units whereas YL is 85, and therefore TL is heavier. However, due to the Brawl formula factoring in gravity as an extra for knockback determined, TL just happens to take more knockback than YL in spite of being heavier. Nonetheless, the formula does NOT affect a character's weight, but just simply the knockback taken, so TL is still heavier than YL. Does that sound clear to you now? - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:That ^ (summarized) is what needs to go on the page, not what you put. It was too confusing. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 03:06, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Okay, I'm mad. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::''Why!?!'' [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 03:13, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Why ask? - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Right then. I'm done. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 03:16, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::Well, sleep tight. - [[User:Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: purple">'''Drilly'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drilly_Dilly|<span style="color: blue">'''the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Drilly Dilly|<span style="color: red">'''Hedgehog'''</span>]] 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
Arguably the whole section should be reworked, as YL and TL are not the same character and shouldn't be treated as equivalent across games. A brief "here are general similarities/differences between them as Link clones" would suffice; comparing the more technical data is less worthwhile. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 03:21, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Link hitbox gifs == | |||
There's some gifs of Link's hitboxes from the Melee debug display in the speedy delete category for being unused; are these going to be used in your debug stuff at some point, or can I clear them out? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:38, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Nono, I contributed those for [[Link (SSBM)/Hitboxes]], but then realized that they take less time to load if I simply use imgur. Feel free to get rid of them. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 21:17, 23 October 2015 (EDT) | |||