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Congrats.

Congrats on becoming a rollbacker! INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 08:41, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Obligatory celebration music Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 08:45, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

xD INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 08:46, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Sorry I'm late... Congrats, SK! Here, have this

I'll see myself out... Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 10:40, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Let me join on the congrats train, congrats on becoming a rollbacker too! :D Disaster Flare (talk) 12:13, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Did you guys......just walk up slowly...and copypaste this on Disaster Flare's page? 16:08, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Thanks all :D Serpent∞King (talk) 19:40, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) OK, I'm getting perplexed as of this point. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Dare I ask about what? Serpent∞King (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

A majority of users have been receiving rollback lately. I feel to be the odd one out. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Noticeboard

Sorry about that, I typically know that, but I'm multitasking like crazy right now and it's an abnormally slow day on the wiki when it comes to vandals. XD Disaster Flare (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

No problem Serpent∞King (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Toon Link

Why do you keep doing that? - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

TL has a higher weight val than YL, fine. But in our changes, we do not list that TL is heavier, as the new weight/knockback formula changes everything. When comparing 2 games, the numbers matter very little (except damage). Serpent∞King (talk) 02:12, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

What formula (also, what about when comparing Fox from Melee to Brawl; he goes from 75 to 80)? - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Knockback. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:16, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

That formula doesn't correlate with weight, just knockback, which is affected by both weight and gravity (which is exactly what I've been telling you). - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

...right...it affects weight...that's my point. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:23, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

It does not. Weight remains the same, but how it factors in gravity just simply affects knockback taken, and few heavier characters take more knockback than lighter characters. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

reset indent ...what? No...no it doesn't. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

No what doesn't? - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

within the same game, Heavy characters will take less KB than lighter characters. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:32, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Here's proof: here. Fox can take more knockback than MK and Pikachu despite being heavier. Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, fine, but that's the extra gravity variable working. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:38, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Exactly. So TL may just take more kb than YL even though he's heavier, only because of the formula factoring in gravity. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Your missing the fact that the gravity variable doesn't exist in Melee, as far as I know Serpent∞King (talk) 02:40, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

I know, but this is Brawl we're talking aboot here. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Look, fact is that if the same amount of base KB and angle is applied to 0% YL and to 0% TL, TL is going to go further. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:46, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

That's what I said. TL is heavier, but takes more knockback due to the new formula. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Then he's lighter!!! If you want to put it like that, you'll have to mention that, in the end, because of the gravity stat, he ends up being lighter than YL. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:48, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

(facepalm) Oh my freaking god, you just don't get it, do you? The new formula applied to SSBB only changes knockback due to a new factor of gravity, but nevertheless, the weight values do not change (this is beginning to be like the argument between Miles and Omega on Alph page). - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

#1 SW:NPA. #2 Then why did you say YLs weight was lower? It isn't... Serpent∞King (talk) 02:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

I said that because it's true. Also, how was I personally attacking you? - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Really? WE JUST WENT OVER THIS. It isn't true, weight is not changed, gravity is. Note that. Serpent∞King (talk) 02:58, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) Look, let me just make a long story short: TL is 92 units whereas YL is 85, and therefore TL is heavier. However, due to the Brawl formula factoring in gravity as an extra for knockback determined, TL just happens to take more knockback than YL in spite of being heavier. Nonetheless, the formula does NOT affect a character's weight, but just simply the knockback taken, so TL is still heavier than YL. Does that sound clear to you now? - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

That ^ (summarized) is what needs to go on the page, not what you put. It was too confusing. Serpent∞King (talk) 03:06, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Okay, I'm mad. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Why!?! Serpent∞King (talk) 03:13, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Why ask? - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Right then. I'm done. Serpent∞King (talk) 03:16, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Well, sleep tight. - Drilly the Hedgehog 03:54, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Arguably the whole section should be reworked, as YL and TL are not the same character and shouldn't be treated as equivalent across games. A brief "here are general similarities/differences between them as Link clones" would suffice; comparing the more technical data is less worthwhile. Miles (talk) 03:21, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Link hitbox gifs

There's some gifs of Link's hitboxes from the Melee debug display in the speedy delete category for being unused; are these going to be used in your debug stuff at some point, or can I clear them out? Miles (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Nono, I contributed those for Link (SSBM)/Hitboxes, but then realized that they take less time to load if I simply use imgur. Feel free to get rid of them. Serpent∞King (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2015 (EDT)