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Sorry bout that, 98.117.158.220, I just learned bout how to make another section today after you told me to make a new one. But anyways, I thank both you and Penguin for dealing with Woody again, and as for this comment, I really am not sure what will become of it, but yea, You can get rid of my comment (and the one in the wrong section). The only real purpose for em was to show my gratitude about you know who. So um.. Thanks again guys, and hope I am doing this right. [[User:Admiral Pit|Admiral Pit]] ([[User talk:Admiral Pit|talk]]) 03:23, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | Sorry bout that, 98.117.158.220, I just learned bout how to make another section today after you told me to make a new one. But anyways, I thank both you and Penguin for dealing with Woody again, and as for this comment, I really am not sure what will become of it, but yea, You can get rid of my comment (and the one in the wrong section). The only real purpose for em was to show my gratitude about you know who. So um.. Thanks again guys, and hope I am doing this right. [[User:Admiral Pit|Admiral Pit]] ([[User talk:Admiral Pit|talk]]) 03:23, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== What can administrators not do? == | ==What can administrators not do?== | ||
Administrators should '''not''' use their administrator powers to '''settle editing disputes; for example, to lock a page on a version he or she prefers in an editing dispute that isn't vandalism'''. Administrator powers should be used to '''help keep the wiki clear of vandalism, spam, and users who make malicious edits''', but not for simple disagreements between users acting in good faith. Ideally an admin shouldn't be considered "in charge". The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community. -[[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 01:59, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | Administrators should '''not''' use their administrator powers to '''settle editing disputes; for example, to lock a page on a version he or she prefers in an editing dispute that isn't vandalism'''. Administrator powers should be used to '''help keep the wiki clear of vandalism, spam, and users who make malicious edits''', but not for simple disagreements between users acting in good faith. Ideally an admin shouldn't be considered "in charge". The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community. -[[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 01:59, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::I'd like to put in my own input on this (also in response to PoD's comment two sections above). Despite the fact that "no removing content from your talk page" is an unspoken rule, it isn't a policy no matter what the interpretation. On Wikitroid, though it is not recommended that you remove comments from your talk page, the admins won't resort to protection to keep a comment in full form. Additionally, since there was no such policy or guideline, PoD protected it to a form that he wanted, which (technically) is an "abuse of powers," albeit a very light abuse. Referencing your comment about "how is changing 'disagree' to 'agree' allowed," that is changing the entire meaning of the comment, which could be considered as impersonation (which one can be blocked for). Abridging the comments is not the same, however, since it does not change the central meaning of the comment. Though PoD may suggest that Gargomon should not remove the comment, he shouldn't forcefully archive and protect Gargomon's talk page to enforce that. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 03:21, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ::I'd like to put in my own input on this (also in response to PoD's comment two sections above). Despite the fact that "no removing content from your talk page" is an unspoken rule, it isn't a policy no matter what the interpretation. On Wikitroid, though it is not recommended that you remove comments from your talk page, the admins won't resort to protection to keep a comment in full form. Additionally, since there was no such policy or guideline, PoD protected it to a form that he wanted, which (technically) is an "abuse of powers," albeit a very light abuse. Referencing your comment about "how is changing 'disagree' to 'agree' allowed," that is changing the entire meaning of the comment, which could be considered as impersonation (which one can be blocked for). Abridging the comments is not the same, however, since it does not change the central meaning of the comment. Though PoD may suggest that Gargomon should not remove the comment, he shouldn't forcefully archive and protect Gargomon's talk page to enforce that. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 03:21, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Following what RAN said about the mentioned unwritten rule, I looked around and wrote [[SmashWiki talk:User pages#The comment-removing impasse|this up]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 03:34, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | :::Following what RAN said about the mentioned unwritten rule, I looked around and wrote [[SmashWiki talk:User pages#The comment-removing impasse|this up]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 03:34, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Apparently you guys do not know how serious that accusation is. Admins have been permabanned for that behavior ( see here: | ::::Apparently you guys do not know how serious that accusation is. Admins have been permabanned for that behavior (see here: [http://kirby.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AKirbyFan]). Unless you feel PoD should suffer the same fate, please stop. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 03:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Also, I believe it mentions something of this sort in the page about how to respond to PAs. See [[SmashWiki:No_personal_attacks#Removal_of_text|here]]. Can someone please archive this disscusion as I believe I have settled it. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 04:04, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ::::Also, I believe it mentions something of this sort in the page about how to respond to PAs. See [[SmashWiki:No_personal_attacks#Removal_of_text|here]]. Can someone please archive this disscusion as I believe I have settled it. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 04:04, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::IP, KirbyFan was blocked due to trolling and major abuse of powers (such as removing admin status from a user who annoyed him). That is very different compared to this case, and I don't believe PoD should be banned at all. Also, the SW:NPA page does not document a clear difference between PAs in user talk pages and those in the mainspace talk pages. It does need to be discussed, hence the link to the SW:USER talk page above. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 04:28, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | :::::IP, KirbyFan was blocked due to trolling and major abuse of powers (such as removing admin status from a user who annoyed him). That is very different compared to this case, and I don't believe PoD should be banned at all. Also, the SW:NPA page does not document a clear difference between PAs in user talk pages and those in the mainspace talk pages. It does need to be discussed, hence the link to the SW:USER talk page above. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 04:28, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::Read the link I gave. It explicitly says that you must talk to an admin before removing comments. | ::::::Read the link I gave. It explicitly says that you must talk to an admin before removing comments. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 04:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
:If it was an abuse of powers, it was the most minor abuse imaginable. I prevented someone from removing part of another user's comment on their talk page - I must be evil, and should be destroyed. The community decided to give me Administrator powers because it was felt that I would be fair and not abuse the tools - if you feel that I am in fact not to be trusted with the powers, lobby for my demotion. I think you will find that, when it comes to believing that I am an unfair Administrator, you are in a minority. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:47, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||