User talk:Defiant Elements/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

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::::::For my part, I'm not here to solve any problems. I'm not a member of this community, and I lack the history and relations to fully understand any issues here; even if I did understand the situation, I would still keep out. But surely you see, Mr. Colon, that your approach to this topic is ineffective is best. [[Special:Contributions/99.142.40.185|99.142.40.185]] 21:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::For my part, I'm not here to solve any problems. I'm not a member of this community, and I lack the history and relations to fully understand any issues here; even if I did understand the situation, I would still keep out. But surely you see, Mr. Colon, that your approach to this topic is ineffective is best. [[Special:Contributions/99.142.40.185|99.142.40.185]] 21:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::That'd be lovely if you could pull it off, mate. But, unless I missed a whole heck of a lot of discussion, there's a lot to be done before you come to a "decision." You could probably overturn/shorten the bans, yes, but that alone wouldn't fix the problem.  Addressing the effect without addressing the cause is just asking for trouble.  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 21:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::That'd be lovely if you could pull it off, mate. But, unless I missed a whole heck of a lot of discussion, there's a lot to be done before you come to a "decision." You could probably overturn/shorten the bans, yes, but that alone wouldn't fix the problem.  Addressing the effect without addressing the cause is just asking for trouble.  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 21:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::My apologies on the "vandals" point.  Still, even if Randall lost his temper he still is a sysop and has earned it.  If you look at his request for adminship it's clear he knows what he's doing.  The source of our current problem isn't any one admin; rather, it's that their fights end up with non-admin level users getting  banned for little reason. My suggestion (that few would appreciat), is that every current sysop must defend their position by whatever our new RfA policy is, to see if they still have earned it. Any thoughts on that last point? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|Miles.oppenheimer]] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]]) 21:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)