Talk:Neutral special move

Special Pictures

I think we should use more pictures of Special Moves from Smabura-Ken.com. They are pure and good screenshots, but i dont know how to upload images. Someone else mus take up the fight. Any volunteers? --Oxico 14:15, December 12, 2007 (EST)

Merge

B button - Merge? -- RJM ^Talk 14:13, October 28, 2007 (EDT)

Basically, no. --Oxico 14:15, December 12, 2007 (EST)

Reverse Special

Does this work in SSB as well? -Zixor (talk) 00:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, because I don't own SSB. But about the Reverse Neutral B, I agree that it should be posted on the Standard Special Move page. And I think most characters who can perform a Reverse Neutral B, also can perform one on the ground instead of the air. User:VideoGameBoy|Zixor (talk) 10:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC+2)

Ganondorf can do a reverse Warlock Punch in both air and ground. Firewario (talk) 08:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I know, Firewario. Thats what I mean. That characters like Ganondorf also can do a Reverse Neutral B in air as well as on the ground. User:VideoGameBoy|Videogameboy VideoGameBoy (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Although I'm not going to bother fixing the page, as it is up for deletion and most of the information is on the Standard Special page, I do want to point out that Kirby can in fact reverse his Inhale in the air, it just takes a massive amount of practice. Meta-Kirb (talk) 13:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

@Meta-K: If the page needs editing, edit it. Even if it's up for deletion, you can improve it - maybe then it won't need deleting.

@VideoGameBoy: Please sign your comments by placing ~~~~ at the end of each comment you make. Please do not put your signature at the start of your comments.

@Zixor: Yes, the Reverse Neutral B was brought in from the start. Every character can do it, both on the ground and in the air, by pressing the opposite direction that the character's facing then pressing B (as you'd perform a Side Special in Melee and Brawl). If performed in the air, it has the advantage that it turns you around, which isn't otherwise possible except through the use of PK Thunder 2, or the like. If performed on the ground, it has the advantage that you turn around and do your Neutral B move, but without any turning lag. If there was a Neutral B move that had very little lag when used on the ground (or if you used a hack to remove all lag), you could dash dance with it by reversing it after every use. Donkey Kong could reverse the direction not only of the charged Giant Punch but also of the initial charging period. Most notably, Jigglypuff could reverse its Pound, which was excellent for recovery as it could edgeguard as much as it liked as long as it stayed above the level of the main platform, and it could then get back to the ledge safely without worrying about having to face the stage to grab on. In short, yes, it works in SSB as well. PenguinofDeath 14:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Signature move

To end this edit war right now, I'll list the neutral B's that are signature moves

• Mario's
• Luigi's
• Bowser's
• Kirby's
• Dedede's
• Fox's
• Falco's
• Wolf's
• Ness' (only move that he actually uses in EB)
• Sonic's
• Link's
• Toon Link's
• Young Link's
• Mewtwo's
• Pikachu's (In the anime)
• Pichu's
• Snake's
• Captain Falcon's
• Samus'
• Zamus'
• Yoshi's
• DK's
• Diddy's
• Roy's
• Dr. Mario's
• Charizard's
• Squirtle's
• Lucario's
• ROB's

98.117.158.220 02:46, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Many of these are debatable, and this is hardly a majority. -Zixor (talk) 19:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Zixor, seeing as he posted this almost exactly a month ago, during which time no one replied, including you, it was a majority of one. Personally, I think it should stay as it is, as many Standard Special Moves aren't that character's signature move. Also, only about half of the characters in the series are in the list above, so the use of the word "most" is either misleading or just plain wrong. PenguinofDeath 20:20, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Added some more. And I counted. This is definetly the majority of characters. 98.117.158.220 02:14, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, here we go; I'm not even touching your unnecessary attitude, Penguin.

Firstly, what designates a move as "signature"? My research shows that it is not limited to one move alone. To that end, virtually ALL special moves could be considered signature. As such, for the argument against standard special moves being the most analogous with that character, these are NOT:

• DK- Not most known for his punching; with the possible exception of Baseball and Jungle Beat Boss fights.

As you just said two games where he is known for his punching, this statement is hypocritical.

• Diddy- cartwheel (running attack)

No, he's more known for his peanuts

• Mario- super jump (up B)
• Luigi- super jump (up B)

Super jump punch isn't even an attack in the mario games.

• Sonic - spin dash (down B)

Homing attack is much more well known

• ROB - Never fires a lazer beam. His taunt showcases his most basic function, moving it's arms up and down.

He doesn't even appear in his own games. However, in SSE, he uses it a lot.

• Snake- probably best known for stealth, and guns, which were chosen not to be included in the game.

Stealth is not a move.

• Mewtwo - psychic

"Psychic" is not a move.

• Dedede - super DeDeDe Jump (up B)

No. What was famous about him was the fact that he is able to use kirby's inhale.

• Ness -PK thunder, bat, or yo-yo.

PK thunder is a move he doesn't even use in his game. PK flash is.

• Pichu - based on a trading card? I think not.

In the anime, which is just as popular, if not more, than the games, he uses it.

• Fox
• Falco
• Wolf

-Do any of these characters ever use their blasters? Their SHIPS have LAZERS, which are not the same. In actuality, their Final Smashes are probably their most recognizable moves.

No. The space animals are very famous for their blasters.

• Link
• Toon Link
• Young Link

-All Links are perhaps most known for their circular slash (up B), but definitely not arrows.

They are not famous for their spin attacks. In the original LoZ, there wasn't even a spin attack. However, there were arrows and boomerangs.

--Never played Fire Emblem, so can't say about *Roy.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zixor (talk • contribs) 17:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

urbad. also learn to sign your comments. Shadowcrest 21:53, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Zixor: Um, what attitude...? My comment was entirely supportive of your side of the argument, aside from the first sentence, in which I demonstrated that something you had claimed to be the case was in fact obviously false.

IP: A simple majority is not enough. It would need to be true in the vast majority of cases (i.e. with very few exceptions) for it to be worthy of mention in the article.

PenguinofDeath 21:59, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I apologize, PoD. It seems I was still a bit peeved about your comment in our other conversation. I have a little problem witt assuming good faith, and I'm a bit too defensive. -Something to work on. -Zixor (talk) 14:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

I relplied to each of Zixor's comments above. 98.117.158.220 03:42, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

If I may, what the expletive is a signature move and why do I care? Furthermore, why do they need to be discussed here? Miles (talk) 04:00, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think originally that there was an edit war about whether "most" characters have their most-well-recognized move as their neutral special, as opposed to another special. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 04:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Since "most-well-recognized" is inherently subjective, we can't make any generalized statements. Miles (talk) 21:35, February 27, 2010 (UTC)