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Ganondorf notably benefits from some of the universal gameplay changes. The increase in mobility (most notably to his [[running]] speed, although it still remains very slow), his faster [[jumpsquat]], and the reduced [[landing lag]] on his aerial attacks all improve his very poor neutral game and approach. His faster jumpsquat and landing lag reduction also improve his combo ability, thus further strengthening his damage racking game. | Ganondorf notably benefits from some of the universal gameplay changes. The increase in mobility (most notably to his [[running]] speed, although it still remains very slow), his faster [[jumpsquat]], and the reduced [[landing lag]] on his aerial attacks all improve his very poor neutral game and approach. His faster jumpsquat and landing lag reduction also improve his combo ability, thus further strengthening his damage racking game. | ||
Despite these notable buffs, Ganondorf is not without nerfs, especially toward his infamously poor recovery, hitbox placements and ineffective defensive game, exacerbating his glaring weaknesses even further, and counterbalancing his buffs. His forward and up smashes, despite having disjointed range, have significantly increased ending lag, making them less safe to use and removing the latter's ability to bait approaches. His down tilt's vertical angles on its close hitbox | Despite these notable buffs, Ganondorf is not without nerfs, especially toward his infamously poor recovery, hitbox placements and ineffective defensive game, exacerbating his glaring weaknesses even further, and counterbalancing his buffs. His forward and up smashes, despite having disjointed range, have significantly increased ending lag, making them less safe to use and removing the latter's ability to bait approaches. His down tilt's vertical angles on its close hitbox make it a much less effective KO option, especially out of [[Flame Choke]]. His up tilt is weaker, and has gained an incredibly weak late hitbox with no KO potential. Hitbox adjustments and/or reductions on his forward tilt, up tilt, back aerial, his new smash attacks, Dark Dive and Wizard's Foot make them harder to land and further worsens his blindspot issues. His grabs also have even more startup and ending lag, toning down some of the improvements to his grab game as a whole. Among his biggest nerfs were to his up aerial, which has more startup and its sourspot no longer hits underneath him, thus removing most of its [[gimp]]ing effectiveness and [[lock]] combos, and the [[Ganoncide]] technique, now being escapable and KOing him first, making it more risky and situational. Dark Dive also pushes back Ganondorf after he launches the opponent away, making his already terrible and exploitable recovery even worse. | ||
Despite gaining considerable improvements from the game's engine, Ganondorf is also hindered by some of the universal changes; the universal increase to mobility makes it slightly harder to catch up with some characters. The increased shield drop frames impairs his poor [[out of shield]] options, and the universally increased [[traction]] which reduces shield push makes his attacks, especially his aerials, even less safe unless perfectly spaced. The increased [[tech]] window, as well as the restoration of buffering techs during hitlag, makes Flame Choke easier to escape from, and makes Dark Dive much easier for opponents to survive from being launched under the stage and retaliate. The changes to [[air dodging]] are a mixed bag for Ganondorf, as they improve his great edgeguarding ability, but make him easier to edgeguard in return. Finally, the weakening of [[rage]] slightly hinders Ganondorf's KO power, though due to Ganondorf's increased damage and power, this change is a minor issue. | Despite gaining considerable improvements from the game's engine, Ganondorf is also hindered by some of the universal changes; the universal increase to mobility makes it slightly harder to catch up with some characters. The increased shield drop frames impairs his poor [[out of shield]] options, and the universally increased [[traction]] which reduces shield push makes his attacks, especially his aerials, even less safe unless perfectly spaced. The increased [[tech]] window, as well as the restoration of buffering techs during hitlag, makes Flame Choke easier to escape from, and makes Dark Dive much easier for opponents to survive from being launched under the stage and retaliate. The changes to [[air dodging]] are a mixed bag for Ganondorf, as they improve his great edgeguarding ability, but make him easier to edgeguard in return. Finally, the weakening of [[rage]] slightly hinders Ganondorf's KO power, though due to Ganondorf's increased damage and power, this change is a minor issue. | ||
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|bairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|18.5}} (fist), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|17}} (arm) | |bairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|18.5}} (fist), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|17}} (arm) | ||
|bairdesc=A backfist. Despite it being even stronger than his forward aerial, it is rather fast, with moderate startup at frame 10, and low ending lag of 36 frames, alongside being able to autocancel from a [[short hop]]. All these factors make it rather useful to wall out approaches, and is safe on shield. Second strongest back aerial in the game, with the sweetspot KOing middleweights at 102% from center-stage and at 75% near the edge, and is very likely to take a stock at medium percents if used quickly after a ledge trump. However, it has short reach and small hitboxes, while its high vertical hitbox and low amount of active frames makes it difficult to land on most grounded opponents, particularly those that are crouching. | |bairdesc=A backfist. Despite it being even stronger than his forward aerial, it is rather fast, with moderate startup at frame 10, and low ending lag of 36 frames, alongside being able to autocancel from a [[short hop]]. All these factors make it rather useful to wall out approaches, and is safe on shield when fully spaced. Second strongest back aerial in the game, with the sweetspot KOing middleweights at 102% from center-stage and at 75% near the edge, and is very likely to take a stock at medium percents if used quickly after a ledge trump. However, it has short reach and very small hitboxes, while its high vertical hitbox and low amount of active frames makes it difficult to land on most grounded opponents, particularly those that are crouching. | ||
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|uairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|13}}/{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}}/{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|10}} (mid), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|8}}/{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}} (late) | |uairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|13}}/{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}}/{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|10}} (mid), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|8}}/{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}} (late) | ||