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:Actually, SugarCookie, what I ''said'' was it was a guesstimate. What I made clear was that these sections should not exist yet. I am fully in agreement with OT, because this game has been out for two months, and there is little basis to go off of to say that anyone has a strong history with any character in this game. Hbox is considered a strong Jigglypuff player in Melee because he's been playing her for ''years''. ZeRo is considered a strong Diddy Kong/Sheik player in Smash 4 because he played them for basically the entire duration of the game's (limited) lifespan. We cannot make such judgement calls in this game. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 10:34, 13 February 2019 (EST) | :Actually, SugarCookie, what I ''said'' was it was a guesstimate. What I made clear was that these sections should not exist yet. I am fully in agreement with OT, because this game has been out for two months, and there is little basis to go off of to say that anyone has a strong history with any character in this game. Hbox is considered a strong Jigglypuff player in Melee because he's been playing her for ''years''. ZeRo is considered a strong Diddy Kong/Sheik player in Smash 4 because he played them for basically the entire duration of the game's (limited) lifespan. We cannot make such judgement calls in this game. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 10:34, 13 February 2019 (EST) | ||
::I do agree that most of the smashers here should be removed. However, ''Ultimate''{{'}}s competitive scene is much more bigger than ''Smash 4''{{'}}s during the early metagame, apparent in that about 9 ''Ultimate'' tournaments had more attendees than the largest ''Smash 4'' tournament within the first month of each, not to mention that there has been much more national tournaments in ''Ultimate'' than in ''Smash 4'' in a 2-month period. I honestly don't see a problem with adding the more significant players for each character (the ones that have won a major tournament with that character, those who helped develop the metagame), especially since the metagame had developed faster than ''Smash 4'', but if we have to I'm not against removing all other, less important, smashers. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 10:57, 13 February 2019 (EST) | ::I do agree that most of the smashers here should be removed. However, ''Ultimate''{{'}}s competitive scene is much more bigger than ''Smash 4''{{'}}s during the early metagame, apparent in that about 9 ''Ultimate'' tournaments had more attendees than the largest ''Smash 4'' tournament within the first month of each, not to mention that there has been much more national tournaments in ''Ultimate'' than in ''Smash 4'' in a 2-month period. I honestly don't see a problem with adding the more significant players for each character (the ones that have won a major tournament with that character, those who helped develop the metagame), especially since the metagame had developed faster than ''Smash 4'', but if we have to I'm not against removing all other, less important, smashers. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 10:57, 13 February 2019 (EST) | ||
:::The size of the tournies are irrelevant, early results are still from in a very undeveloped and volatile meta well before the game's final patched form, and will be irrelevant in a short timeframe; for example who cared much about the Smash 4 results at Apex 2015 less than a year later? Additionally, two months at any point is a very narrow timeframe to be judging anyone "historically significant" off of, hell regional PRs take a longer timeframe than that to be determined. And to go back to my Nietono the Greninja main example to show how early game results are not reflective of historical significance; in early Smash 4 during the 3DS days he was the most prolific player of a perceived top tier that placed very well at the big Japanese tournaments at the time and even won one, then patch 1.0.4 (and the Wii U version) dropped and nerfed Greninja, after which he then never touched Greninja again and was a Sheik main by Apex 2015 a couple months later, while most people now probably didn't even know he was the top Greninja main at one point (even the very loose notable players sections here don't have him listed on Greninja's Smash 4 page). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:32, 13 February 2019 (EST) | |||