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:::::Unless your professional knowledge of video games from development comes from working on SSBU, and you are on their design team and can provide evidence to substantiate that, your definition is your own opinion and entirely arbitrary. You are yourself qualifying the fact that "most" Echo Fighters share "most" of their animations because it's not as iron clad as you make it out to be. I also have a degree in biochemistry and that analogy is nonsensical. What single part of the definition on the main page is factually incorrect? They *do* share most of their movesets; they *do* have similar proportions; they *do* have different taunts and poses. – [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 14:02, 27 January 2019 (EST) | :::::Unless your professional knowledge of video games from development comes from working on SSBU, and you are on their design team and can provide evidence to substantiate that, your definition is your own opinion and entirely arbitrary. You are yourself qualifying the fact that "most" Echo Fighters share "most" of their animations because it's not as iron clad as you make it out to be. I also have a degree in biochemistry and that analogy is nonsensical. What single part of the definition on the main page is factually incorrect? They *do* share most of their movesets; they *do* have similar proportions; they *do* have different taunts and poses. – [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 14:02, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ||
::::::Sorry to disagree, but a professional developper doesn't need to have work on a game to be able to see how it has been done, game development is an expertise field just as any other one, it's not some kind of magic. Echo fighters do share animations, it's '''visible'''. And the fact that you insinuate that I wouldn't be able to tell if I didn't work on a game is low key insulting. The fact that you can't see that I'm right doesn't equate with me being wrong. As you have a degree in biochemistry, would you say that you can't understand another expert work ? Aren't things related to biochemistry that are obvious to you but that "normal" people can't "see" ? Do you consider your specific knowledge about biochemistry as bieng an "opinion" ? For me, and you need to understand that it's not an opinionn it's an expert analysis, echo fighters being animation recylcing is as obvious as basic biochemistry must be for you, it's the 1+1=2 of my expertise field. Also, I didn't say that ''most'' of the echo fighters share most of their animation, '''ALL''' echo fighters share most of their animation, all 7 of them, there is nothing approximate about that. ''PS : The statement about Dr Mario, Young Link, and Pichu is pure speculation, and factually false, as said in my first message.'' [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 14:34, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ::::::Sorry to disagree, but a professional developper doesn't need to have work on a game to be able to see how it has been done, game development is an expertise field just as any other one, it's not some kind of magic. Echo fighters do share animations, it's '''visible'''. And the fact that you insinuate that I wouldn't be able to tell if I didn't work on a game is low key insulting. The fact that you can't see that I'm right doesn't equate with me being wrong. As you have a degree in biochemistry, would you say that you can't understand another expert work ? Aren't things related to biochemistry that are obvious to you but that "normal" people can't "see" ? Do you consider your specific knowledge about biochemistry as bieng an "opinion" ? For me, and you need to understand that it's not an opinionn it's an expert analysis, echo fighters being animation recylcing is as obvious as basic biochemistry must be for you, it's the 1+1=2 of my expertise field. Also, I didn't say that ''most'' of the echo fighters share most of their animation, '''ALL''' echo fighters share most of their animation, all 7 of them, there is nothing approximate about that. ''PS : The statement about Dr Mario, Young Link, and Pichu is pure speculation, and factually false, as said in my first message.'' [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 14:34, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ||
::::::Also, this is a wiki page, it's about informations, not about coincidences. Animations recycling is the criteria that makes an echo an echo. Echo fighters do share their moveset, but that's just a consequence of reusing animations for development efficiency, sharing a moveset does not make a fighter an echo, it's not enough. Echo fighter do have similar proportions, but here again, that's a consequence of reusing animations, having similiar proportions does not make a fighter an echo, it's not enough either. The definition about echo fighter should display actual criteria defining echo fighter, not criteria that are both true for echo fighters and non echo fighters (Lucas does share his moveset and have similar proportion with Ness, yet he is not an echo because those two criteria don't make a fighter an echo). [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 14:49, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ::::::Also, this is a wiki page, it's about informations, not about coincidences. Animations recycling is the criteria that makes an echo an echo. Echo fighters do share their moveset, but that's just a consequence of reusing animations for development efficiency, sharing a moveset does not make a fighter an echo, it's not enough. Echo fighter do have similar proportions, but here again, that's a consequence (or more accuratly, a requirement) of reusing animations, having similiar proportions does not make a fighter an echo, it's not enough either. The definition about echo fighter should display actual criteria defining echo fighter, not criteria that are both true for echo fighters and non echo fighters (Lucas does share his moveset and have similar proportion with Ness, yet he is not an echo because those two criteria don't make a fighter an echo). [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 14:49, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ||
:The game defines echo fighters and that is the definition we should use for Echoes. The nature of semi-clones vs clones can be up for debate, but I don't think an official definition of who is/isn't an Echo Fighter specifically is up to us. – [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 12:02, 27 January 2019 (EST) | :The game defines echo fighters and that is the definition we should use for Echoes. The nature of semi-clones vs clones can be up for debate, but I don't think an official definition of who is/isn't an Echo Fighter specifically is up to us. – [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 12:02, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ||
::You got it all wrong. You seem to think that I'm trying to redefine what echo fighters are. I'm not. I'm trying to explain that the wiki definition is factually wrong, because written by people who speculated without the required knowledge to do so (no blame intended). The definition of echo fighters I told here is the actual definition of echo fighters. I don't see where it contradict the game. The game doesn't even defines echo fighters, I have no clue where you got that from. And I surely never talked about defining who is/isn't an echo fighter... [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 13:54, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ::You got it all wrong. You seem to think that I'm trying to redefine what echo fighters are. I'm not. I'm trying to explain that the wiki definition is factually wrong, because written by people who speculated without the required knowledge to do so (no blame intended). The definition of echo fighters I told here is the actual definition of echo fighters. I don't see where it contradict the game. The game doesn't even defines echo fighters, I have no clue where you got that from. And I surely never talked about defining who is/isn't an echo fighter... [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 13:54, 27 January 2019 (EST) | ||