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:''This article is about the move for the Fire Emblem representatives. For [[Palutena]]'s version, see [[Counter (Palutena)]]. For other uses, see [[Counter (disambiguation)]].''
{{disambig2|the move for the ''Fire Emblem'' fighters|other uses|Counter (disambiguation)}}
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{{Infobox Special Move
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|caption=Marth's Counter in {{forwiiu}}.
|caption=Counter in ''Ultimate''
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|user=[[Marth]]
|user2=[[Roy]]<br>[[Ike]]<br>[[Lucina]]<br>[[Chrom]]
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'''Counter''' ({{ja|カウンター|Kauntā}}, ''Counter'') is the [[down special move]] for [[Marth]], [[Roy]], [[Ike]], and [[Lucina]], all of whom are representatives of the {{uv|Fire Emblem}} series. It is used as a [[counterattack]] to deliver damage to the attacker when the user is hit.


==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''==
'''Counter''' ({{ja|カウンター|Kauntā}}, ''Counter'') is the [[down special move]] for [[Marth]], [[Roy]], [[Ike]], [[Lucina]], and [[Chrom]], all of whom are fighters from the {{uv|Fire Emblem}} series.
Counter is {{SSBM|Marth}} and {{SSBM|Roy}}'s [[down special move]] in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''. Marth or Roy will strike a pose and a small, metallic "chink" sound will be heard. For about a second, any attack other than a grab which the character using Counter is struck by will turn them invincible for the duration of their retaliating swing. Marth's Counter deals a flat 7% [[damage]] regardless of the attack, while Roy's deals 1.5 times the original attack's damage. If the attack is a projectile (such as {{SSBM|Samus}}' [[Missile]]), it will simply be deflected behind them and upwards at about a 30 degree angle. It's worth noting explosive projectiles can still explode and will still do damage if they are struck when the invincibility ceases. If the attack is a smash attack, then the attacker will be knocked back at a 90 degree angle. If used in conjunction with {{SSBM|Mr. Game & Watch}}'s [[Oil Panic]], it is the most powerful non-charged attack in ''Melee'' (if Oil Panic has absorbed the highest possible amount of damage, which is 250% damage and delivers a [[OHKO]]).


Marth's Counter has a faster start-up time and lasts twice as long as Roy's Counter, which makes Marth's Counter more effective but less damaging.
==Overview==
It is used as a [[counterattack]] to redirect damage and knockback at the attacker when the user is hit. In addition, the move serves as an excellent edgeguarding tool against opponents with predictable recoveries.


==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
===Marth===
{{SSBB|Ike}} also has this attack as his down special move in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''. Ike's Counter is not as fast as {{SSBB|Marth}}'s, as his counter frames start roughly 6 frames after Marth's, but reflects back x1.2 damage, with the minimum damage being 10%. Marth's Counter reflects back x1.1 damage, with a minimum damage of 8%.
[[File:SSB4 Marth Screen-6.jpg|thumb|Marth's Counter in {{forwiiu}}.]]
In ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'', Marth's countering stance has him face away while holding the Falchion slanted downward in reverse grip, and counterattacks with an outward slash in normal grip (akin to a composite version of his first input neutral attack and dash attack). His Counter starts-up faster and lasts twice as long as Roy's Counter, but deals a flat 7% [[damage]] regardless of the attack. Upon a successful counterattack, he might say "{{ja|そこだ!|Soko da!}}" (''"There!"''), "{{ja|見切った!|Mikitta!}}" (''"I've read you!"''), or "{{ja|させるものか!|Saseru mono ka!}}" (''"Like I'll let you!"''). In ''Ultimate'', the latter voice clip has been changed to "{{ja|させない!|Sasenai!}}" (''"I won't let you!"'').


Since Ike's Counter is a bit slower, it cannot be used for immediate countering (although Ike's Counter has more [[knockback]] and greater range). Although Marth and Ike both have the same duration of counter frames, Ike has less vulnerability after the counter frames end, due to the slightly slower activation of his. Both Counters last the same amount of time from start (initiating the command) to finish (when the player is free to move again); Marth's simply activates faster, but his counter frames end 6 frames before Ike's. Marth's Counter leaves him vulnerable at the end of the attack while Ike's counter leaves him vulnerable at the beginning. If Marth or Ike counters a large hitbox such as Mr. Game and Watch's Oil Panic (after absorbing three strong enough projectiles that does 60% damage), it will one-hit KO anyone who is very close to Marth or Ike. There are several other moves similar to Counter: [[Double Team]], {{b|Toad|move}}, and (to a lesser extent) Wolf's {{b|Reflector|Wolf}}.
Marth's Counter in ''Brawl'' has the same animation as in ''Melee''. It has been generally buffed in terms of utility, now reflecting back 1.of the original attack's damage, with a minimum damage of 8%, as opposed to a flat 7%, and allowing him to deliver a OHKO anyone close to him should he counterattack a strong enough hitbox. It retains its fast startup and long duration, but has lost the ability to deflect projectiles behind him. Curiously, it can be used on any [[vacuum]] created by an attack, such as Kirby's {{b|Inhale|Kirby}}.


===Description from the ''Brawl'' Instruction Booklet===
In ''Super Smash Bros. 4'' {{SSB4|Marth}}'s Counter once again has the same animation as in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''. It has been buffed again, dealing more knockback and now reflecting back ×1.2 the original attack's damage. However, it can no longer be activated by vacuum attacks. In the game's release, there existed a bug where, if Marth were to use Counter just after being ledge trumped, he would propel backwards, which mostly resulted in him being KO'd. This glitch was patched in update [[1.0.4]]. Interestingly enough, instead of using quotes for a successful counterattack, he now uses the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIns19mp1Gg generic grunts] when he attacks. The reason for this change is unknown. His counterattacking quotes, however, can still be found in the [[Sound Test]].
''Block the enemy's attack with the sword.''


==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''==
In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', Marth's Counter retains the same stance and attack animation as in ''SSB4''. However, it no longer has him merely use his standard attack grunts during the actual counterattack, as his counterattack quotes from ''Brawl'' have returned with new voice clips; in particular, he now has English-language quotes for successfully countering an attack, uttering "My turn!", "Predictable!", or "Nice try!" when doing so. Both Counter and the counterattack have increased ending lag, making the move easier to punish if whiffed, and limiting its utility in edgeguarding, respectively; however, the counterattack has faster startup.
Counter reappears as a special move for {{SSB4|Marth}} and {{SSB4|Ike}} in ''Super Smash Bros. 4'', as well as serving as the down special move for {{SSB4|Lucina}}. All counters in this game save for Greninja's [[Substitute]] now have a visual redesign that includes a wave like that of a heart monitor.


There is a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC1Lr-plMW4 bug] where, if Marth uses Counter just after being kicked off an edge, he is propelled backwards and will likely be KO'd.
===Roy===
[[File:Counter.gif|thumb|Roy counters [[Falcon Punch]] in ''Melee''.]]
Roy's counterattack in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' has him rear down a bit as he holds the [[List of swords#Binding Blade|Binding Blade]] in front, reverse grip for his countering stance, and counterattacks with an inward slash while still holding in reverse grip. His Counter deals ×1.5 the original attack's damage and deals more knockback when striking with the full blade, but has slightly slower start-up and lasts for a shorter time, which makes it unable to be used for immediate countering, but is much more damaging compared to Marth's Counter. If the attack is a smash attack, the attacker is knocked back at a 90° angle. Since only damage is countered, and not knockback, some attacks will deal less knockback when countered, such as the [[forward smash]] of a [[Home-Run Bat]]. This applies to future games' counterattacks. If used in conjunction with {{SSBM|Mr. Game & Watch}}'s [[Oil Panic]], it is the most powerful non-charged attack in ''Melee'', delivering an [[OHKO]] (if Oil Panic has absorbed the highest possible amount of damage, which is 250% damage and also delivers an OHKO). His quotes are different from Marth's during a successful counterattack, either grunting or saying "{{ja|いまだ!|Imada!}}" (''"Now!"'') or "{{ja|そこ!|Soko!}}" (''"There!"'').


===Description from the 3DS version's foldout===
In ''Super Smash Bros. 4'', {{SSB4|Roy}}'s Counter has a different animation: his countering stance is much different, now holding the Binding Blade in reverse grip while pointing it downward while standing upright. The counter slash itself is changed to a reaping swat to Roy's right side (from two-handed-to-one-handed). It has been buffed in the transition from ''Melee'', gaining more counter frames, increased knockback, and range, but its damage multiplier was reduced to ×1.35; this still leaves Roy's Counter with the highest damage multiplier (barring Shulk's Vision with [[Monado Arts|Buster]] active, which has a ×1.82 multiplier). Unlike Marth and Ike, his counterattacking quotes (and grunt) remain intact. Roy's counter was also given the unique effect of dealing mildly less knockback while airborne.


====Marth====
In ''Ultimate'', Roy's Counter retains its stance and attack animation from the previous installment. Additionally, Roy's lines are now dubbed into English, as he may utter "Now!" or "Gotcha!" when successfully countering an attack. Roy's Counter has a longer duration, and the counterattack has increased knockback that makes it even stronger.
''"Prepare for an attack, and strike back if hit."''


====Ike====
===Ike===
''"Counter an opponent's attack. Power is based on strength of enemy's attack."''
[[File:SSB4 Ike Screen-7.jpg|thumb|Ike's Counter in {{forwiiu}}.]]
Ike's counterattack stance has him holds Ragnell right in front of himself in reverse grip, and he counterattacks with an inward slash while still holding it in reverse grip. Like Roy in ''Melee'', Ike's Counter is not as fast as Marth's (the counterattack frames start 5 frames after Marth's), meaning it cannot be used for immediate countering, but the countering stance lasts for the same duration as Marth and has the same duration of counter frames, which gives it less vulnerability after the counter frames end due to its slightly slower activation. His counterattack has greater range and knockback than Marth's, and reflects back ×1.2 the original attack's damage, with the minimum damage being 10%. Upon a successful counterattack, he will shout "You're open!" In Japanese, he will shout "{{ja|あまい!|Amai!}}" (''"Naive!"'').


===Customization===
In ''Super Smash Bros. 4'', {{SSB4|Ike}}'s Counter has the same animation as in ''Brawl''. It now activates slightly faster, now leaving him one frame less vulnerable at startup, and is the counterattack with the second-longest counter window, behind {{SSB4|Lucario}}'s [[Double Team]] and {{SSB4|Shulk}}'s [[Vision]] when fresh.
Special Move customization was added in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. These are Marth's and Lucina's variations:
# '''Easy Counter''': Expanded hit window, but deals less damage.
# '''Iai Counter''': Faster, knocks opponents backwards, and deals more damage. However, it has a narrower hit window.


These are Ike's variations:
In ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'', Ike's Counter behaves similarly to in previous iterations, but now has a blue [[flame]] effect. Additionally, Ike has new quotes in English when successfully performing a counterattack: Ike's ''Path of Radiance'' version says "Gotcha!", while his ''Radiant Dawn'' version says "Amateur!"
#'''Paralyzing Counter''': Paralyzes enemies instead of damaging them.
 
#'''Smash Counter''': Slower, but much more powerful.
===Lucina===
[[File:Lucina Counterattack SSB4.jpeg|thumb|Lucina hitting Robin with her counter in {{forwiiu}}.]]
As a [[clone]] of Marth, Lucina has the same Counter that he does, with the same 1.2× multiplier as well. The main difference setting it apart from Marth's Counter is the animation, as her countering stance mirrors her battle stance in ''Fire Emblem: Awakening'', which is further referenced in her official artwork and her up taunt (though it instantly shifts to Marth's counter stance before she counters), and the counterattacking slash is in a more upward arc while she is kneeling during the active hitbox window. The altered animation for Lucina's Counter causes it to have noticeably shorter horizontal range in front of her than Marth's Counter. Before update 1.0.8 in ''SSB4'', she used the generic grunts when she attacks upon a successful counterattack; after said update (as well as in ''Ultimate''), she may say either "You're mine!" or "My turn!". In Japanese, she may say either "{{ja|そこ!|Soko!}}" (''"There!"'') or "{{ja|隙あり!|Sukiari!}}" (''"An opening!"''). In ''Ultimate'', Lucina's Counter shares the changes made to Marth's version.
 
===Chrom===
[[File:Chrom Counter SSBU.png|thumb|Chrom's Counter in ''Ultimate''.]]
As an [[Clone|Echo Fighter]] of Roy, {{SSBU|Chrom}} has the same Counter that he does, using the exact same stance and counterattack animation as well. Also, Chrom shares Roy's ×1.35 damage multiplier on his counterattack. Chrom also shares Roy's effect of dealing less knockback while airborne. Unlike Roy however, Chrom's counterattack does not have flame properties, and it has lower base knockback but even higher knockback scaling, making it weaker against weaker attacks, but stronger against more powerful ones. When successfully countering an attack, Chrom may utter "No way!" or "Not today!" in English.
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==Instructional quotes==
{{InstructionalQuotes
|ssbbchar=Ike
|ssbbdesc=Block the enemy's attack with the sword.
|ssb4-3count=2
|ssb4-3char=Marth
|ssb4-3desc=Prepare for an attack, and strike back if hit.
|ssb4-3char2=Ike
|ssb4-3desc2=Counter an opponent's attack. Power is based on strength of enemy's attack.
|ssbucount=5
|ssbuchar=Marth
|ssbudesc=Prepares for an attack and strikes back if hit. The power depends on the enemy's attack.
|ssbuchar2=Lucina
|ssbudesc2=Prepares for an attack and strikes back if hit. The power depends on the enemy's attack.
|ssbuchar3=Roy
|ssbudesc3=Readies himself and turns aside any attack, sending it back against his foe, with greater force.
|ssbuchar4=Chrom
|ssbudesc4=Adopts a stance and counterattacks with greater force than the received attack.
|ssbuchar5=Ike
|ssbudesc5=Blocks and counters an attack. The strength of the opponent's strike decides the strength of the counter.
}}
 
==Customization==
Special Move customization was added in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. These are the variations:
 
===Marth and Lucina===
{{CustomSet|Marth|Down|name1=Counter|desc1=Prepare for an attack and strike back if hit. The power depends on your enemy's attack.|name2=Easy Counter|desc2=Your counter stance lasts longer, but the attack power is lower.|name3=Iai Counter|desc3=A successful counter knocks opponents behind you. Faster but does less damage.}}
{{CustomSet|Lucina|Down|name1=Counter|desc1-ntsc=Prepare for an attack and strike back if hit. The power depends on your enemy's attack.|desc1-pal=If timed correctly, dodges an attack, then strikes back. The power depends on your enemy's attack.|name2=Easy Counter|desc2-ntsc=Your counter stance lasts longer, but the attack power is lower.|desc2-pal=Counters more easily, but the strength of the counter-attack is reduced.|name3=Iai Counter|desc3-ntsc=A successful counter knocks opponents behind you. Faster but does less damage.|desc3-pal=If timed correctly, sends opponents flying off behind you. Deals less damage than normal.}}
# '''Counter''': Default.
# '''Easy Counter''': Expanded hit window, but deals less damage.{{Main|Marth (SSB4)/Down special/Custom 1}}{{Main|Lucina (SSB4)/Down special/Custom 1}}
# '''Iai Counter''' (known as '''Rush Counter''' in the [[PAL]] version): Is faster, knocks opponents backwards, and has a higher damage multiplier (1.2× → 1.3×) and launch power. However, it has a considerably narrower hit window, lower minimum damage (8% → 6%), and the counter strike has slightly more ending lag.{{Main|Marth (SSB4)/Down special/Custom 2}}{{Main|Lucina (SSB4)/Down special/Custom 2}}
 
===Ike===
{{CustomSet|Ike|Down|name1=Counter|desc1-ntsc=Block and counter an attack. The strength of your strike depends on your foe's attack.|desc1-pal=Blocks and counters an enemy attack. The strength of your counter depends on their attack.|name2=Paralyzing Counter|desc2-ntsc=A counter that paralyzes enemies instead of dealing damage.|desc2-pal=Paralyses enemies when you counter-attack rather than dealing damage.|name3=Smash Counter|desc3=Deliver a slower, more powerful attack when countering.}}
# '''Counter''': Default.
#'''Paralyzing Counter''' (known as '''Paralysing Counter''' in the [[PAL]] version): Paralyzes enemies instead of damaging them.{{Main|Ike (SSB4)/Down special/Custom 1}}
#'''Smash Counter''': The counterattack is slower, but much more powerful, with a damage multiplier of ×1.5. It will result in an OHKO if Ike counters a very strong attack (a hitbox that deals around 30% damage). Similar to Roy's Counter in ''Melee''.{{Main|Ike (SSB4)/Down special/Custom 2}}
 
===Roy===
{{CustomSet/Single|Roy|Down|name=Counter|desc={{Flag|North America}} {{GameIcon|SSB4-3}} The strength of this counterattack relates to how strong the triggering attack was.<br/>{{Flag|North America}} {{GameIcon|SSB4-U}} Turn aside any attack while in this stance, then send it back against your foe with greater force!<br/>{{Flag|Europe}} Any attack sent at you while in this stance will be turned back at the enemy with added force.}}
# '''Counter''': Default.
Like the other DLC characters, Roy has no custom move variations.


==Origin==
==Origin==
Counter may derive inspiration from two elements of ''Fire Emblem'' gameplay.  In all games, when a unit attacks another unit, the targeted unit will perform a counter-attack to strike back at their attacker if they currently have an equipped weapon with a compatible {{s|fireemblemwiki|range}}. Additionally, ''[[fireemblemwiki:Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance|Path of Radiance]]'' introduced the identically-named {{s|fireemblemwiki|Counter}} [[fireemblemwiki:Skills|skill]], which reflects any damage dealt to the skill's user back at the enemy. The skill does not exist in Marth or Roy's native games, though in both of Ike's games it can be assigned to him through the use of the [[fireemblemwiki:Skill books and scrolls|Counter scroll item]]; additionally, through reclassing to the {{s|fireemblemwiki|Warrior}} class, Marth, Roy and Ike can all obtain the Counter skill as {{s|fireemblemwiki|bonus units}} in ''{{s|fireemblemwiki|Fire Emblem: Awakening}}''. However, Lucina is unable to obtain Counter under any circumstances in ''Awakening'', as it is exclusive to male units, and her father, Chrom, cannot pass it down to her either, both because he doesn't have access to the warrior class and because Aether is the only skill he can pass down to his daughters even if he did.
[[File:Marth countering in Mystery of the Emblem.png|left|thumb|256px|An enemy brigand misses his attack, and Marth counterattacks.]]
[[File:PathIkeCounter.png |thumb|256px|Ike activating Counter in ''Path of Radiance''.]]
Counter is based on a core element of ''Fire Emblem'' gameplay: in all games of the series, when a unit attacks another unit, the targeted unit will perform a counter-attack to strike back at their attacker if they currently have an equipped weapon with a compatible {{s|fireemblemwiki|range}}.<ref>[http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/12/13/sakurai-fe25/ Source Gaming: "Sakurai Interview: Fire Emblem 25th Anniversary"]</ref> There are also skills that can provide benefits when attacked, such as Vantage, which allows characters to attack first if its conditions are met. However, at the time of ''Melee'', no skill directly increased the damage dealt to an enemy when under attack.
 
''[[fireemblemwiki:Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance|Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance]]'' introduced the identically-named {{s|fireemblemwiki|Counter}} [[fireemblemwiki:Skills|skill]], which returns an amount of damage dealt to the skill's user to the enemy. The skill does not exist in Marth or Roy's native games, however, and their appearance in ''Melee'' predates its introduction. In both of Ike's games the Counter skill can be assigned to him through the use of the [[fireemblemwiki:Skill items|Counter scroll item]]. Through re-classing to the {{s|fireemblemwiki|Warrior}} class, Marth, Roy, and Ike can all obtain the Counter skill as {{s|fireemblemwiki|bonus units}} in ''{{s|fireemblemwiki|Fire Emblem Awakening}}''; however, Lucina is unable to obtain Counter under any circumstances, as it is exclusive to male units, and her father, Chrom, cannot pass it down to her either, both because he doesn't have access to the Warrior class and because Aether is the only skill he can pass down to his daughters even if he did.
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==Gallery==
==Gallery==
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MarthCounterMelee.jpg|Marth using Counter against Captain Falcon in ''Melee''.
MarthCounterMelee.jpg|Marth using Counter against Captain Falcon in ''Melee''.
Roy's Counter Move.jpg|Roy, countering Marth's attack in ''Melee''.
Roy's Counter Move.jpg|Roy, countering Marth's attack in ''Melee''.
Counter.gif|Roy counters [[Falcon Punch]] in ''Melee''.
Countermarth.jpg|Marth's Counter in ''Brawl''.
Countermarth.jpg|Marth's Counter in ''Brawl''.
Ike metaknight counter.jpg|Ike's Counter in ''Brawl''.
Ike metaknight counter.jpg|Ike's Counter in ''Brawl''.
MarthCounterSSB4.png|Marth's Counter in ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''.
MarthCounterSSB4.png|Marth's Counter in ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''.
SSB4 Ike Screen-7.jpg|Ike's Counter in ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''.
Marth Counterattack.jpeg|Marth hitting Ike with his counter.
LucinaCounter.png|Lucina's Counter in ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''.
Ike Counterattack_SSB4.jpeg|Ike, about to strike Marth with his counter.
Roy's Counter.jpg|thumb|Roy Countering Pac-Man's [[Bonus Fruit|Key]].
Marth SSBU Skill Preview Down Special.png|Marth using Counter as shown by the Move List in ''Ultimate''.
Lucina SSBU Skill Preview Down Special.png|Lucina using Counter as shown by the Move List in ''Ultimate''.
Roy SSBU Skill Preview Down Special.png|Roy using Counter as shown by the Move List in ''Ultimate''.
Chrom SSBU Skill Preview Down Special.png|Chrom using Counter as shown by the Move List in ''Ultimate''.
Ike SSBU Skill Preview Down Special.png|Ike using Counter as shown by the Move List in ''Ultimate''.
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</gallery>
==Names in other languages==
{{langtable
|ja={{ja|カウンター|Kauntā}}, ''Counter''
|en=Counter
|fr=Contre
|es_es=Contrataque (Ike)</br>Bloqueo (Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom)
|es_la=Contrataque (Marth {{gameIcon|ultimate|16px}}, Roy, Ike, Lucina) </br> Bloqueo (Marth {{gameIcon|4|16px}}, Chrom)
|de=Konter
|it=Scudo (Marth, Ike, Lucina) </br> Contromossa (Roy, Chrom)
|nl=Counter
|ru={{rollover|Контрудар|Kontrudar|?}}
|ko={{rollover|카운터|Kaunteo|?}}, ''Counter''
|zh_cn={{rollover|反击|Fǎnjí|?}}
|zh_tw={{rollover|反擊|Fǎnjí|?}}
}}


==Trivia==
==Trivia==
*Marth's Counter can be used on Kirby's [[Inhale]] attack in ''Brawl'' or any other [[Vacuum]] created by an attack.
[[File:Ike Blocking Marth's Final Smash.jpg|thumb|Ike Blocking Marth's Critical Hit]]
*If three or more Marths are playing, it is possible to repeatedly Counter to huge amounts of damage. For this to work with Ike or Roy, who have slower counter strikes and slower counter activations than Marth, it is recommended to have four players play as Ike or Roy.
*In ''SSB4'', every character's Counter contains a window of [[Invincibility frame|invincibility]] during the first few frames of activation. As such, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jz-7AyMlGw they can block] a very strong attack (like [[Critical Hit]]) without taking damage.
*Marth can use Counter on the tides of lava and acid on [[Norfair]] and [[Brinstar]]. When the stage-wide wave of lava appears on Norfair, Marth can stand outside of the Capsule and time Counter correctly to avoid the damage.
*In ''Brawl'' and ''SSB4'', Ike has an unused Counter quote ("Gotcha!") in the Sound Test. There also exist [https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl#Unused_Sounds unused sounds] in Ike's voice bank intended for his version of Counter, where he shouts "Take this!" or "You're through!". One of his unused counter quotes (Gotcha!) was later used in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' for his ''Path of Radiance'' costume when it connects, with the other quotes remaining unused.
*Since only damage is countered, not knockback, the [[forward smash]] of a [[Home-Run Bat]] will deal less knockback when countered.
**Lucina faced a similar situation prior to update 1.0.8 in ''SSB4''.
*Marth, Roy and Ike hold their swords in reverse grip during the move if one looks closely. Marth faces away in his stance, Roy rears down a bit as he holds the sword in front, while Ike holds the sword right in front of himself.
*While in ''SSB4'' Marth doesn't talk when his Counter is activated, he can be heard talking while multi-countering [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8XIj05irtU in Roy's trailer].
**Marth counters with an outward slash; Roy and Ike on the other hand both counter with inward slashes while holding in reverse grip.
*For Marth, this is his only sword-based move that does not have any sweetspots or sourspots.
*Counter, as a ''Fire Emblem'' move, is shared by the most playable characters, with 4.
*Roy's Counter in ''Melee'' does not have a limit to its maximum damage. If 3 or 4 Roys continuously counter each other, they can drive the damage of the counter's hitbox past 512, which [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnCOSZ-tf4 crashes the game]. This is because hitboxes in ''Melee'' only have room to store 9 bits for damage, which equals a maximum of 511 before it overflows into other code.
*As of ''Ultimate'', this move is on the movesets of the most characters out of all moves in every ''Smash Bros.'' game, being in the movesets of five characters.
*Counter is one of three moves to share a name and function between non-clone characters (due to Ike not being a clone of any sort to the other four users, as well as [[Palutena]] using a [[Counter (Palutena)|move with the same name and similar function]]). The other two are [[Inhale]] and [[Light Arrow]].
*During {{SSBU|Byleth}}'s presentation, Sakurai commented on the fact that, aside from Byleth and Robin, the ''Fire Emblem'' characters share this move; he explained that, when bringing in the ''Fire Emblem'' franchise, he wanted to represent the turn-based aspect of the series and compared Counter to the opponent attacking first and then the player.
*If the [[Shadow]] [[Assist Trophy]] freezes Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, or Ike while performing Counter, the counter hitbox will remain active and trigger if hit. The frozen character will not attack until being unfrozen, but will remain [[intangible]] in the mean time.
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This article is about the move for the Fire Emblem fighters. For other uses, see Counter (disambiguation).
Counter
Marth Down B SSBU.gif
Roy Down B SSBU.gif
Ike Down B SSBU.gif
Lucina Down B SSBU.gif
Chrom Down B SSBU.gif

Counter in Ultimate
Users Marth
Roy
Ike
Lucina
Chrom
Universe Fire Emblem
Article on Fire Emblem Wiki Counter

Counter (カウンター, Counter) is the down special move for Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, and Chrom, all of whom are fighters from the Fire Emblem series.

Overview[edit]

It is used as a counterattack to redirect damage and knockback at the attacker when the user is hit. In addition, the move serves as an excellent edgeguarding tool against opponents with predictable recoveries.

Marth[edit]

Marth's Counter in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

In Super Smash Bros. Melee, Marth's countering stance has him face away while holding the Falchion slanted downward in reverse grip, and counterattacks with an outward slash in normal grip (akin to a composite version of his first input neutral attack and dash attack). His Counter starts-up faster and lasts twice as long as Roy's Counter, but deals a flat 7% damage regardless of the attack. Upon a successful counterattack, he might say "そこだ!" ("There!"), "見切った!" ("I've read you!"), or "させるものか!" ("Like I'll let you!"). In Ultimate, the latter voice clip has been changed to "させない!" ("I won't let you!").

Marth's Counter in Brawl has the same animation as in Melee. It has been generally buffed in terms of utility, now reflecting back 1.1× of the original attack's damage, with a minimum damage of 8%, as opposed to a flat 7%, and allowing him to deliver a OHKO anyone close to him should he counterattack a strong enough hitbox. It retains its fast startup and long duration, but has lost the ability to deflect projectiles behind him. Curiously, it can be used on any vacuum created by an attack, such as Kirby's Inhale.

In Super Smash Bros. 4 Marth's Counter once again has the same animation as in Melee and Brawl. It has been buffed again, dealing more knockback and now reflecting back ×1.2 the original attack's damage. However, it can no longer be activated by vacuum attacks. In the game's release, there existed a bug where, if Marth were to use Counter just after being ledge trumped, he would propel backwards, which mostly resulted in him being KO'd. This glitch was patched in update 1.0.4. Interestingly enough, instead of using quotes for a successful counterattack, he now uses the generic grunts when he attacks. The reason for this change is unknown. His counterattacking quotes, however, can still be found in the Sound Test.

In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Marth's Counter retains the same stance and attack animation as in SSB4. However, it no longer has him merely use his standard attack grunts during the actual counterattack, as his counterattack quotes from Brawl have returned with new voice clips; in particular, he now has English-language quotes for successfully countering an attack, uttering "My turn!", "Predictable!", or "Nice try!" when doing so. Both Counter and the counterattack have increased ending lag, making the move easier to punish if whiffed, and limiting its utility in edgeguarding, respectively; however, the counterattack has faster startup.

Roy[edit]

Roy counters Falcon Punch in Melee.

Roy's counterattack in Super Smash Bros. Melee has him rear down a bit as he holds the Binding Blade in front, reverse grip for his countering stance, and counterattacks with an inward slash while still holding in reverse grip. His Counter deals ×1.5 the original attack's damage and deals more knockback when striking with the full blade, but has slightly slower start-up and lasts for a shorter time, which makes it unable to be used for immediate countering, but is much more damaging compared to Marth's Counter. If the attack is a smash attack, the attacker is knocked back at a 90° angle. Since only damage is countered, and not knockback, some attacks will deal less knockback when countered, such as the forward smash of a Home-Run Bat. This applies to future games' counterattacks. If used in conjunction with Mr. Game & Watch's Oil Panic, it is the most powerful non-charged attack in Melee, delivering an OHKO (if Oil Panic has absorbed the highest possible amount of damage, which is 250% damage and also delivers an OHKO). His quotes are different from Marth's during a successful counterattack, either grunting or saying "いまだ!" ("Now!") or "そこ!" ("There!").

In Super Smash Bros. 4, Roy's Counter has a different animation: his countering stance is much different, now holding the Binding Blade in reverse grip while pointing it downward while standing upright. The counter slash itself is changed to a reaping swat to Roy's right side (from two-handed-to-one-handed). It has been buffed in the transition from Melee, gaining more counter frames, increased knockback, and range, but its damage multiplier was reduced to ×1.35; this still leaves Roy's Counter with the highest damage multiplier (barring Shulk's Vision with Buster active, which has a ×1.82 multiplier). Unlike Marth and Ike, his counterattacking quotes (and grunt) remain intact. Roy's counter was also given the unique effect of dealing mildly less knockback while airborne.

In Ultimate, Roy's Counter retains its stance and attack animation from the previous installment. Additionally, Roy's lines are now dubbed into English, as he may utter "Now!" or "Gotcha!" when successfully countering an attack. Roy's Counter has a longer duration, and the counterattack has increased knockback that makes it even stronger.

Ike[edit]

Ike's Counter in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

Ike's counterattack stance has him holds Ragnell right in front of himself in reverse grip, and he counterattacks with an inward slash while still holding it in reverse grip. Like Roy in Melee, Ike's Counter is not as fast as Marth's (the counterattack frames start 5 frames after Marth's), meaning it cannot be used for immediate countering, but the countering stance lasts for the same duration as Marth and has the same duration of counter frames, which gives it less vulnerability after the counter frames end due to its slightly slower activation. His counterattack has greater range and knockback than Marth's, and reflects back ×1.2 the original attack's damage, with the minimum damage being 10%. Upon a successful counterattack, he will shout "You're open!" In Japanese, he will shout "あまい!" ("Naive!").

In Super Smash Bros. 4, Ike's Counter has the same animation as in Brawl. It now activates slightly faster, now leaving him one frame less vulnerable at startup, and is the counterattack with the second-longest counter window, behind Lucario's Double Team and Shulk's Vision when fresh.

In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Ike's Counter behaves similarly to in previous iterations, but now has a blue flame effect. Additionally, Ike has new quotes in English when successfully performing a counterattack: Ike's Path of Radiance version says "Gotcha!", while his Radiant Dawn version says "Amateur!"

Lucina[edit]

Lucina hitting Robin with her counter in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

As a clone of Marth, Lucina has the same Counter that he does, with the same 1.2× multiplier as well. The main difference setting it apart from Marth's Counter is the animation, as her countering stance mirrors her battle stance in Fire Emblem: Awakening, which is further referenced in her official artwork and her up taunt (though it instantly shifts to Marth's counter stance before she counters), and the counterattacking slash is in a more upward arc while she is kneeling during the active hitbox window. The altered animation for Lucina's Counter causes it to have noticeably shorter horizontal range in front of her than Marth's Counter. Before update 1.0.8 in SSB4, she used the generic grunts when she attacks upon a successful counterattack; after said update (as well as in Ultimate), she may say either "You're mine!" or "My turn!". In Japanese, she may say either "そこ!" ("There!") or "隙あり!" ("An opening!"). In Ultimate, Lucina's Counter shares the changes made to Marth's version.

Chrom[edit]

Chrom's Counter in Ultimate.

As an Echo Fighter of Roy, Chrom has the same Counter that he does, using the exact same stance and counterattack animation as well. Also, Chrom shares Roy's ×1.35 damage multiplier on his counterattack. Chrom also shares Roy's effect of dealing less knockback while airborne. Unlike Roy however, Chrom's counterattack does not have flame properties, and it has lower base knockback but even higher knockback scaling, making it weaker against weaker attacks, but stronger against more powerful ones. When successfully countering an attack, Chrom may utter "No way!" or "Not today!" in English.

Instructional quotes[edit]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl instruction booklet Ike (SSBB) Block the enemy's attack with the sword.
Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS case foldout Marth (SSB4) Prepare for an attack, and strike back if hit.
Ike (SSB4) Counter an opponent's attack. Power is based on strength of enemy's attack.
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Move List Marth (SSBU) Prepares for an attack and strikes back if hit. The power depends on the enemy's attack.
Lucina (SSBU) Prepares for an attack and strikes back if hit. The power depends on the enemy's attack.
Roy (SSBU) Readies himself and turns aside any attack, sending it back against his foe, with greater force.
Chrom (SSBU) Adopts a stance and counterattacks with greater force than the received attack.
Ike (SSBU) Blocks and counters an attack. The strength of the opponent's strike decides the strength of the counter.

Customization[edit]

Special Move customization was added in Super Smash Bros. 4. These are the variations:

Marth and Lucina[edit]

1. Counter 2. Easy Counter 3. Iai Counter
Counter
Easy Counter
Iai Counter
"Prepare for an attack and strike back if hit. The power depends on your enemy's attack." "Your counter stance lasts longer, but the attack power is lower." "A successful counter knocks opponents behind you. Faster but does less damage."
1. Counter 2. Easy Counter 3. Iai Counter
Counter
Easy Counter
Iai Counter
NTSC "Prepare for an attack and strike back if hit. The power depends on your enemy's attack."

PAL "If timed correctly, dodges an attack, then strikes back. The power depends on your enemy's attack."

NTSC "Your counter stance lasts longer, but the attack power is lower."

PAL "Counters more easily, but the strength of the counter-attack is reduced."

NTSC "A successful counter knocks opponents behind you. Faster but does less damage."

PAL "If timed correctly, sends opponents flying off behind you. Deals less damage than normal."

  1. Counter: Default.
  2. Easy Counter: Expanded hit window, but deals less damage.
  3. Iai Counter (known as Rush Counter in the PAL version): Is faster, knocks opponents backwards, and has a higher damage multiplier (1.2× → 1.3×) and launch power. However, it has a considerably narrower hit window, lower minimum damage (8% → 6%), and the counter strike has slightly more ending lag.

Ike[edit]

1. Counter 2. Paralyzing Counter 3. Smash Counter
Counter
Paralyzing Counter
Smash Counter
NTSC "Block and counter an attack. The strength of your strike depends on your foe's attack."

PAL "Blocks and counters an enemy attack. The strength of your counter depends on their attack."

NTSC "A counter that paralyzes enemies instead of dealing damage."

PAL "Paralyses enemies when you counter-attack rather than dealing damage."

"Deliver a slower, more powerful attack when countering."
  1. Counter: Default.
  2. Paralyzing Counter (known as Paralysing Counter in the PAL version): Paralyzes enemies instead of damaging them.
  3. Smash Counter: The counterattack is slower, but much more powerful, with a damage multiplier of ×1.5. It will result in an OHKO if Ike counters a very strong attack (a hitbox that deals around 30% damage). Similar to Roy's Counter in Melee.

Roy[edit]

1. Counter
Counter
"North America Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS The strength of this counterattack relates to how strong the triggering attack was.
North America Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Turn aside any attack while in this stance, then send it back against your foe with greater force!
Europe Any attack sent at you while in this stance will be turned back at the enemy with added force.
"
  1. Counter: Default.

Like the other DLC characters, Roy has no custom move variations.

Origin[edit]

An enemy brigand misses his attack, and Marth counterattacks.
Ike activating Counter in Path of Radiance.

Counter is based on a core element of Fire Emblem gameplay: in all games of the series, when a unit attacks another unit, the targeted unit will perform a counter-attack to strike back at their attacker if they currently have an equipped weapon with a compatible range.[1] There are also skills that can provide benefits when attacked, such as Vantage, which allows characters to attack first if its conditions are met. However, at the time of Melee, no skill directly increased the damage dealt to an enemy when under attack.

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance introduced the identically-named Counter skill, which returns an amount of damage dealt to the skill's user to the enemy. The skill does not exist in Marth or Roy's native games, however, and their appearance in Melee predates its introduction. In both of Ike's games the Counter skill can be assigned to him through the use of the Counter scroll item. Through re-classing to the Warrior class, Marth, Roy, and Ike can all obtain the Counter skill as bonus units in Fire Emblem Awakening; however, Lucina is unable to obtain Counter under any circumstances, as it is exclusive to male units, and her father, Chrom, cannot pass it down to her either, both because he doesn't have access to the Warrior class and because Aether is the only skill he can pass down to his daughters even if he did.

Gallery[edit]

Names in other languages[edit]

Language Name
Japan Japanese カウンター, Counter
UK English Counter
France French Contre
Germany German Konter
Spain Spanish (PAL) Contrataque (Ike)
Bloqueo (Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom)
Mexico Spanish (NTSC) Contrataque (Marth Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Roy, Ike, Lucina)
Bloqueo (Marth Super Smash Bros. 4, Chrom)
Italy Italian Scudo (Marth, Ike, Lucina)
Contromossa (Roy, Chrom)
China Chinese (Simplified) 反击
Taiwan Chinese (Traditional) 反擊
South Korea Korean 카운터, Counter
Netherlands Dutch Counter
Russia Russian Контрудар

Trivia[edit]

Ike Blocking Marth's Critical Hit
  • In SSB4, every character's Counter contains a window of invincibility during the first few frames of activation. As such, they can block a very strong attack (like Critical Hit) without taking damage.
  • In Brawl and SSB4, Ike has an unused Counter quote ("Gotcha!") in the Sound Test. There also exist unused sounds in Ike's voice bank intended for his version of Counter, where he shouts "Take this!" or "You're through!". One of his unused counter quotes (Gotcha!) was later used in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for his Path of Radiance costume when it connects, with the other quotes remaining unused.
    • Lucina faced a similar situation prior to update 1.0.8 in SSB4.
  • While in SSB4 Marth doesn't talk when his Counter is activated, he can be heard talking while multi-countering in Roy's trailer.
  • For Marth, this is his only sword-based move that does not have any sweetspots or sourspots.
  • Roy's Counter in Melee does not have a limit to its maximum damage. If 3 or 4 Roys continuously counter each other, they can drive the damage of the counter's hitbox past 512, which crashes the game. This is because hitboxes in Melee only have room to store 9 bits for damage, which equals a maximum of 511 before it overflows into other code.
  • As of Ultimate, this move is on the movesets of the most characters out of all moves in every Smash Bros. game, being in the movesets of five characters.
  • Counter is one of three moves to share a name and function between non-clone characters (due to Ike not being a clone of any sort to the other four users, as well as Palutena using a move with the same name and similar function). The other two are Inhale and Light Arrow.
  • During Byleth's presentation, Sakurai commented on the fact that, aside from Byleth and Robin, the Fire Emblem characters share this move; he explained that, when bringing in the Fire Emblem franchise, he wanted to represent the turn-based aspect of the series and compared Counter to the opponent attacking first and then the player.
  • If the Shadow Assist Trophy freezes Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, or Ike while performing Counter, the counter hitbox will remain active and trigger if hit. The frozen character will not attack until being unfrozen, but will remain intangible in the mean time.

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