Talk:Viridi

Voice Actress

I'm not 100%, but I'm sure that that's Viridi's voice at the end of the reveal trailer for Palutena. Can anyone back me up on this, because... well, it's (Sort of) noteworthy, here or on Palutena's page. ScoreCounter 15:48, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

Haven't played KI:U but I've heard several other people confirm this. Saying she has a small voiced cameo in the trailer would be completely appropriate trivia for this page. Miles (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

I have played KI:U, so I can confirm Viridi has a voice cameo in the reveal trailer. I think we can add that in. Berrenta (talk) 16:00, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

Deletion

she should be delete as her only notable roles are a background character and throphy character--82.26.52.219 16:10, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

I also think we should delete this page. We don't need an article on Viridi, and the relevant info can be distributed to Palutena's and Reset Bomb Forest's articles. Blue Ninjakoopa 16:10, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Same with Yveltal. Mention on the page is all we need. Rtzxy Smashing! 16:14, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Voice acting = notability, in this case. Miles (talk) 17:21, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

i that is your best reason that is stupid. 82.26.52.219 17:35, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

1- stupid is is a bad word. Secondly, not only is she VA'd in a trailer, she also has lines in game, an effective music theme, "WotRB" is as good as one, and due to her voice acting, she'll get a VA credit, likely 2, and most likely a trophy. In other words, notable.ScoreCounter 17:44, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Stupid isn't a bad word. Awesomelink234 You rang, dude? 19:54, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Y'know, ScoreCounter has a point. Also, you're allowed to swear, just as long as it's not a personal attack. Rtzxy Smashing! 17:46, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

she is backround character and trophy. yveltal is same. yeltal is deleted so is biridi. viridi can be noted on kid icarus article insted. 82.26.52.219 17:49, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

You're repeating yourself. There are a certain set of criteria necessary to be notable enough for a page. Viridi, as a voiced background element and voiced character in a trailer, meets those requirements. Yveltal, solely a background element, fails to. Miles (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

yvelal makes it cry noise when near that count as va right you the unreasonable one82.26.52.219 17:54, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Cry noise is a sound bite, not a Voice Actor, and doesn't cause a transition, and doesn't have practically associated music. Also, please try an use indents, and grammar. ScoreCounter 18:00, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

not souns bite, actual va. 82.26.52.219 18:07, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

viridi is not notable no matter what admin say admib status does not mean everything you do is the reight way. 82.26.52.219 18:51, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Everyone arguing about this is pretty pathetic. In my opinion this page should just be added onto the Reset Bomb Forest page, since if we take away the fact she had a VA in a trailer, her only appearances are a trophy and a background character. Dialga in Brawl does more than her and we don't have a page on it. --Murabito (talk) 18:58, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

"If we take away the thing that makes her notable, she isn't notable" isn't much of an argument. Miles (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. She isn't notable in the first place. Why is it one background character "Delete because no voice" while another "wow much character such voice keep"? --Murabito (talk) 19:05, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

please can we remove article

This is getting out of hand. Can't we have this page protected while we discuss this, preferably in a peaceful manner? Berrenta (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Agreed. This needs to be protected, I don't want to revert the same thing over and over again. Rtzxy Smashing! 19:22, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Protection isn't necessary. The criteria Miles brought up should probably be mentioned on the deletion and notability pages, if we end up keeping this page. What does this mean for other stage elements that affect the stage? Does Viridi having a voice make her any different from the fish from the Summit stage? If so, why? Blue Ninjakoopa 19:27, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Just so everyone knows: 82.26.52.219 and Murabito are the same user, so treat their opinions as one. Toomai Glittershine The Different 19:52, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Kinda what I suspected. As for my opinion, I think that she's the actual stage hazard, rather than the Reset Bomb, because, well, she's the one who drops it. And we have an article on King Bulblin & Lord Bullbo, who do the exact same thing. Qwerty (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

The crux of the deletion/merge argument is that Viridi herself does not impact players, whereas other characters like Dialga (who has an article, thank you very much!) and King Bulblin can directly impact characters (by directly damaging them).

Ultimately, I see this as a point where we should determine what makes a stage hazard notable for its own article. I know The Fish was merged with The Summit for the longest time, so we're creating a logistics issue if we don't agree on a good definition.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:02, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

My personal baseline is that either having voice acted lines (not just grunts/roars) or appearing on multiple stages warrant a page. Miles (talk) 20:08, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

I question that baseline; to my knowledge, the line in the game (as opposed to the one in the trailer, which is not technically part of the game itself) was recycled directly from Kid Icarus: Uprising. While a page might (debatably) be justified if the line in question was original, in this case it's little better than the aforementioned sound bite. From what I can tell, part of Murabito's objection revolves around the fact that Miles makes most of these seemingly arbitrary decisions without consulting any other stops or users about them first- while I do not know how the administrator decisions are made on SmashWiki, I know that all active bureaucrats/admins would be consulted on issues such as this on Icaruspedia and that unilateral decisions would not go unquestioned. Additionally, the notability criteria are mentioned to apply specifically to Smashers, not to anything in the game itself. Consequently, an entirely new notability policy relating to in-game content will need to be made to settle this- one that preferably allows a considerable degree of transparency. Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

My own definition looked at the degree at which the character in question interacted with players; Viridi would be valid, as her interactions with the stage alter gameplay. Again, however, there are problems with consistency: Kraid gets an article while Support Ghost does not, and furthermore, K.K. Slider has arguably no direct impact on gameplay, but he still gets an article. As such, the problem is not only the definition, but what to do with these other articles and/or characters.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 21:22, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

My point precisely. In retrospect, I am surprised that such a disagreement springing from the lack of a game-related notability policy did not appear sooner. I would also like to note that Murabito's insistence that this article be deleted may be an attempt to justify his own creation of the page for Yvetal by trying to draw a comparison. While I am sure it was well-intended in pointing out what he perceived to be hypocrisy on Miles' part, it does not justify his own sustained use of personal attacks or sockpuppetting. Nevertheless, I suppose he should be commended for bring the issue to our attention. From here, this discussion would be better off continuing in the discussion page for the Notability policy.--Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 21:50, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

I am by no means against a more consistent policy. I was merely providing one personal framework I've been using in the absence of something more formalized. Miles (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

I understand; however, it is best that we try to stave off any future conflicts now by rewriting the notability policy (or perhaps creating a new one), lest another non-constructive debate such as this springs up in the future. --Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 22:41, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

She has a mii costume for crying out loud 64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate (talk) 23:57, April 18, 2020 (EDT)

It's always a good idea to check the dates of discussions. This is from September 2014. Viridi didn't get a Mii costume until a year later, September 2015. Anyways, the debate has long since ended and Viridi currently meets the criteria for keeping an article, so there was little point in replying to a six-year-old discussion. --PeabodySam (talk) 00:06, April 19, 2020 (EDT)

I knew when they last discussed it, but I forgot smash dlc didn’t come out until 2015 64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate (talk) 00:25, April 19, 2020 (EDT)

Viridi's VA in Ultimate?

So, it was recently confirmed Palutena's Guidance is making a return, and after watching videos of K. Rool and Daisy's, I can confirm it's a different voice. It's not just bad audio quality, Palutena and Pit still sound like Brandy Kopp and Antony Del Rio respectively, but there is no way in heck that Viridi is Hynden Walch. Just search Ultimate Palutena's Guidance and watch Daisy or K. Rool's, it is a new voice actor. I considered saying in Ultimate she received a new, currently unknown VA, probably due to union issues, but decided to ask if anyone knew who it was beforehand. 72.133.91.93 17:20, 19 November 2018 (EST)Blueflame105

I'm normally good with identifying VAs (i.e., I know for a fact that's Rueben Langdon as Ken), but I can't tell who Viridi is voiced by. Aidan, the Thankful Rurouni 17:35, 19 November 2018 (EST)