Forum:Paragraph secion Order (Moves)

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This is a closed discussion about a failed proposed change on SmashWiki. It remains for archival purposes. The closing administrator adds: "No Quorum"

I am hoping that we can clear up the sections of the characters' moves, namely the order. Pretty much every type of page, stage, item, character, start off with the Origin of where it came from. Moves do not however. As with the stages, they contain an overview of the subject. However, some moves list their differences between installments, if there are any., regardless how small. I think Thunder and Quick Attack currently show the example I am suggesting. Overview>Origin>Smash>Trivia. Much like the stages, the Overview explains what it is. Lists the stuff Saffron City has, and explains what happens when Thunder is used. The Origin explains where they came from. Saffron City from Pokemon for the stage, and explains what the move is and does in its home series. Unlike the stages, the moves have more information on how it is applied and operates in Smash. Quick Attack explains how the move works, and lists differences or any extra info depending on the installment it applies to. The Final Smashes Volt Tackle and Light Arrow currently follow the same layout with the Overview and Origin. I feel it makes more sense, and is easier to find differing information when listed as Overview>Origin>Smash>Trivia. Thank you. Wolff (talk) 17:20, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

I feel that explaining what a move is, followed by where it came from, then how it is applied in Smash is easier to understand differences in installments and makes the pages flow nicer. Wolff (talk) 00:53, June 21, 2019 (EDT)

Disagreeing because as a Smash encyclopedia, more people come here to look up how something works in Smash compared to people who come here to look up the origin of something in Smash. The latter is a trivium outside the game; the former is part of the game. If I look up a stage, I want to know its attributes in Smash before I know what game(s) it came from. Same with items and characters, and moves. Zowayix (talk) 21:54, June 21, 2019 (EDT)

An Overview is an explanation of what it is. Or more accurately, "a general review or summary of a subject", while a summery is, "a brief statement or account of the main points of something". It is suppose to be a short explanation of what the subject is. In this case, the moves and stage. Gives you general idea of what it is. All the pages have the Origin at the top, stages are the only exception. The Origin tells you what it actually is and where it came from. In the case for moves, it then shows how those are applied in Smash. If you wanted to argue that the Origin should be closer to the bottom of a page for the reason you explained, then it would need to be allied to all pages to keep consistency, of which the moves are currently the only type of page not consistent. In the case for a stage, it is difficult to get the general gist of it without going into detail due to it being a stage, but still applies the same idea, which is why the Tourney info goes below the Origin and not above. Wolff (talk) 00:42, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

Order for moves has been set for a long time, it's just that people don't abide by it always. It should be: opening, overview (sub headers for every user of the move), customs (if smash 4), origin, gallery (if applicable), trivia, references. SerpentKing 13:15, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

Why can't it change? I ask as a lot of the move pages are inconsistent. Why can't they be like how Thunder and Quick Attack currently are? It feel it looks more organized and easier to see differences between installments. If people are not abiding by a supposed set order, then that set order is either not known or common knowledge. With how you explained it, the Overview is not used as an Overview, and why wouldn't custom moves go anywhere other then under Smash 4? The way you went about explaining that order does not makes sense to me. Wolff (talk) 14:08, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

Origin absolutely needs to be towards the bottom, as this information is what the reader is least likely to be looking for. Why would you go to a wiki about smash to look up Skull Kid's appearance in Majora's Mask? The information is pretty much just extra. SerpentKing 14:21, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

The Origin is first, or second, on every page except moves. (Characters-Mario, Stages-Saffron City, Bosses-Marx, Helpers-Fiora, Assists-Nintendog, Items-Cucco) Why would you decide to the change what is already set on ever other type of page? Wolff (talk) 23:12, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

It really, really shouldn't be for the reason's above. Idk when this change was made but it's one for the worse. SerpentKing 23:14, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

The a separate general Proposal would be needed as this is for a specific type of page, being Moves. If all the others are like that currently, then why can't moves? If it is still because it is "for the worse", then a different Proposal would be needed. Wolff (talk) 23:23, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

No need to make it so difficult, it's just something that needs done. SerpentKing 14:46, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

What do you meant exactly? Wolff (talk) 15:25, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

"all the others" should be follow this general format. If they are not, they need to start. This isn't something a proposal is necessary for. SerpentKing 18:42, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I am not entirely sure I understand. Are you saying that a certain order is suppose to be followed, and because of that, a Proposal is not necessary to change them to the correct order? If so, that does not make sense. Moves are the only page that does not follow the order what all the other pages currently have. Doesn't it make more sense that the Moves' order is in the wrong instead of all the others? Unless I was not aware, there currently is no rule on what the order is suppose to be except for consistency. Of which the Moves do not follow. Isn't a consensus needed to change the order on over 100 pages? (which is why I put this proposal as it would change around 50, if I am not mistaken) If not, was is stopping us from just changing the order of the moves to match the other pages? If there already was a written rule on how the order is suppose to be, can you please provide a link? (Unless I completely misunderstood what you meant, which then could you please clarify so that I can understand) Wolff (talk) 21:55, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Serpent King, could you please elaborate on what exactly you mean? I'm afraid that I'm still not understanding. Wolff (talk) 01:08, June 27, 2019 (EDT)

Much like the similar proposal, I don't care what order all this stuff is in so long as it's consistent. John HUAH! 13:12, July 14, 2019 (EDT)