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Don't just remove my trivia like this

Hi,

I think you should probably think twice before just removing trivia from smashers' pages you don't know. This is straight up abuse of your admin powers. I would understand if there was a motivation to clean up the website from minor and unimportant information, but this is difficult to believe after looking at your own user page.

Don't be an idiot.

King Funk (talk) 05:49, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Best regards, Julius "King Funk" Vissing

Perhaps you should read SW:TRIVIA before you accuse Serpent King of "abusing his power". Irrelevant and uninteresting trivia is generally frowned upon, and some would argue that your trivia falls into this category. You should also read SW:NPA while you're at it, as calling people "idiots" is not conducive to a productive talk page discussion. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 08:45, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

It’s also not ‘abuse of admin powers’ because that would entail doing something that only an admin can possibly do, and editing your page is definitely not an admin-only thing. Also keep in mind that just because the article is about you does not make you exempt from our policies, especially on personal conduct. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 11:08, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Ok, you want to play this game. Let's do this: "Noteworthiness. Saying something unusual about a character model? A unique fact about a character's move? Add it." "Truth. All trivia must be verified." "Detail. Make sure the piece of trivia is fully explained and not left unclear." "As explained previously, facts that can be part of the body of the article should be a part of it -- not in the trivia section."

The Smash 64 I added about myself is a fun, noteworthy little fact that I did not think needed to belong in the main body of the article. I linked to a source that verifies the claim about the Japanese players too. I also explained it as best as I could for the reader who is unfamiliar with the story.

The languages thing is a fact about myself that does not have anything to do with the game, so I thought trivia would be the right section for it.

King Funk (talk) 09:18, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Best regards, Julius Vissing

Wow where to start here?

1. User pages don't have quality standards, Smasher pages do.
2. Anyone can remove information from articles, so there is no abuse of admin powers.
3. There is always a drive to remove minor and unimportant information, this was a part of that.
4. Your trivia point about being fluent in other languages is entirely irrelevant.
5. Your "seemingly random use of falcon dive" is hardly notable enough to be worth mention.
6. None of your quotes from the trivia policy are relevant except for the noteworthiness part, which I find to be false entirely for the language point.

Feel free to contact me with more questions though. Serpent  King 14:04, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

1. Even if there are no quality standards for user pages, it is still very difficult to take your administration seriously when anyone looks at yours.
2. Fair enough.
3. ~
4. Depends on your definition of irrelevant. But hey, I guess smashers are not allowed to distinguish themselves in any way or form but their results. I guess we're just robots who play video games, right? Whatever, that's fine.
5. Good thing you actually noticed a source was linked this time.

On another note, instead of just deleting harmless little elements of Smash history and waging war against PM, maybe you guys could work on making the smasher articles more consistent in writing styles, structure and format? Or maybe revamp those silly "player skill" categories that are borderline meaningless? King Funk (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

It's a publicly edited wiki, if you want to improve smasher articles, have a blast. The player skill thing will require consensus though. Serpent  King 19:50, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

"Depends on your definition of irrelevant. But hey, I guess smashers are not allowed to distinguish themselves in any way or form but their results. I guess we're just robots who play video games, right? Whatever, that's fine."

Your fluency in languages (while impressive, if I may) is irrelevant to a wiki dedicated to a video game series. Nous ne voulons pas voir ces trivia en les articles. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 20:28, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Sorry; I won't till I can make a new account

Hello and thank you so much for the wonderful warning! I was just about to get banned from Mario Wiki. BTW where are all the cheerful bright people who say "I am sorry, but this is not a social website. Please edit more mainly. Let me know if i can help in anyway!" People MUST be stern though. Thanks for telling me, but I have bad history under this username. If you could somehow ban me than let me have a new account that'll be awesome! Then I will really help out. Thanks for cheering me up!:D User: Mario Kart 7 Rules I'm working on it! (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2018 (EDT)

I will not block you because that would be ineffective, and you are not allowed to create a second account under the terms of SW:SOCK. The most I can do for you is change your username, and details of that can be found there. Serpent  King 16:00, 31 May 2018 (EDT)

Thanks. I am really happy you helped me. I will try to edit the wiki from now on! User: Mario Kart 7 Rules I'm working on it! (talk) 16:02, 31 May 2018 (EDT)

Okay so after this edit, I will try to only edit the wiki. So I see you are a bureaucrat? I was told that they change names? So I guess I would want my name changed to BlitzWolf8 please. Time to look for things to edit. Mario Kart 7 Rules (talk) 20:41, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

As per policy, write back here in a few days to confirm, please. Thanks! Serpent  King 13:17, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

waiting

So how many days do I wait, like a week? Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 20:30, 15 June 2018 (EDT)

I'm not Serp, but there's no rigidly enforced limit. 3 to 7 days should suffice. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:29, 15 June 2018 (EDT)

I'll take it on the 17th. Serpent  King 21:49, 15 June 2018 (EDT)

Confirming. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 22:31, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Qyzxf

Hey, you recently blocked Qyzxf for what I can assume is a keymash name. However, this is a semi-active user on other wikis (https://www.mariowiki.com/User:Qyzxf, https://fantendo.wikia.com/wiki/User:Qyzxf) and his name is not spam. He had the intention of editing here and would appreciate being unblocked. Additionally, you prevented account creation for him which is completely unfair if the only reason for his block was a supposedly "unacceptable" username, preventing him from creating a new account with an "acceptable" username. --Skittles (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skittles (talk • contribs) 14:48, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

As it says on the relevant talk page, the user in question may go through the rename process to be unblocked. Toomai Glittershine The Golden 15:55, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

If I may, if that name has some kind of significance to him, maybe we could be a little bit more lenient on this? After all the basis of that part of the naming policy is that random character names are difficult to keep track of, but his name is just 5 characters long and fairly easily recognisable imo. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:02, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Eh...oh what the hell why not. I guess it's not too bad. Serpent  King 19:46, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Work

WOW. I have not seen the wiki get this filled up with work and edits and all this stuff ever. I'm pretty sure this is what happened with Brawl and Smash 4, but still, color me impressed. Anything to catch up on? Skuchi037 (talk) 23:39, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

Just combing the Direct and invitational for anything we might have missed. Serpent  King 13:16, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

Rename request

Hello, I'd like to get a rename on the wiki. I made this account long ago and I don't actually go by this, so I'd like my name to be changed to the same one I use everywhere, including the Smashwiki Discord: "Mexi". Thanks in advance. Archrelico (talk) 04:07, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

As per SW:NAMECHANGE, please write back here in a day or two to confirm this. Thanks! Serpent  King 11:21, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

I'm back again and would still like my name to be changed to "Mexi". Thanks and have a good day, mate. Archrelico (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

About R.O.B.'s colors.

I edited the template since R.O.B. consistently uses his JP colors in most pages on the wiki (see: here, here, here, and not to mention the character templates for all of the games he appeared in sans Ultimate currently). Thought I might as well edit the template to keep consistency. Let me know if I was mistaken in doing so. Nokii (talk) 21:10, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

This has been discussed outside of the wiki, and changes are being implemented to fix it. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 21:20, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Rename request

Hello, I am requesting that my username be changed to "Voqéo" (if the "é" isn't possible, then "Voqeo" will be okay). I've had this username since when I started here in 2008 and back when my 14 year old self thought that was a cool username to go by, so I figured time for a change. Voqéo is also typically what I've gone by elsewhere for awhile now anyway. Thank you. Unknown the Hedgehog 11:19, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

The "é" should be fine. As per SW:NAMECHANGE write back here in a day or two to confirm the change. Thanks! Serpent  King 12:06, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

Confirm name change request to: "Voqéo". Unknown the Hedgehog 11:19, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Rereconfirm. Unknown the Hedgehog 11:19, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

How do I create an account?

I'm new to Wikis, how do I create an account? 216.16.174.76 18:29, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

Nevermind, I found I found out the process. 216.16.174.76 18:31, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

List of Super Smash Bros. series characters

Hey can you please make an edit to this page?AnnieCat07 (talk) 03:44, 12 July 2018 (EDT)

First off, new posts belong at the bottom of the page. I've moved it here for you.

Second, what edit? You can't ask us to make an edit and then expect us to automatically know what you want to do. Please elaborate. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 04:02, 12 July 2018 (EDT)

I'll Miku You Up! is back

I think the user you blocked, I'll Miku You Up!, is back because there was a user with the address of 58.174.73.168 that posted the same spam on the Rhythm Heaven universe page. Can you do something about that please? Speed48 10:13, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

Sorry for the trouble.

I'm still somewhat new here (I have not spent a year here yet), and I don't want to keep accidentally make edits that cause problems on this wiki. I just want to say that I do not want to look like a troublemaker or anything. Iridium77 (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

Nah you're good. Just try to slow down on the user- and forum- space editing. Serpent  King 15:52, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

My sig

Is my custom sig acceptable? I will head off to the mainspace now. George Jones 18:45, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

According to SW:SIG, "the user's signature may include two small icons. The icon(s) should not be larger than 50 pixels wide (combined) x 20 pixels tall (each)."

Your current sig is 60px wide combined and 30px tall each, meaning it's unacceptable. — Nokii^ε (T·C·L) 18:52, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

^yup. Serpent  King 19:01, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

Image

Sorry, I don't know which image count as professional. But I just want to update ZeRo's look because he obviously looked different than he was in Shine 2016. The image is outdated because it was 2 years ago. But I don't know which ones are the right one, I mainly find pictures on Twitter. GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? 01:06, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

I'm not SK, but I am the editor that deemed that picture of Armada as unprofessional. The reason I thought it was unprofessional was because it appeared to be cropped from a YouTube video. In addition to that, the intent of the image (or video frame) wasn't to take a picture. I think that pictures where the clear intention was to take a picture come off as more professional. I don't really mind cropped images, just as long as they don't look bad (weird size, low quality, etc.). Anyways, if you're looking for high quality and professional pictures from Smash Wii U events, I'd recommend looking at Javi Leyvas' website. Javi works with 2GG to take pictures of events. There a lot of player images here that can be cropped to use as wiki pictures. Pokebub (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

No, I am talking about ZeRo's picture. I know I made the wrong choice for cropping Armada's picture from YouTube. But anyway, thanks for the website. I will try to find some better photos. GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? 02:07, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

I don't I will be able to find ZeRo there, because his gallery seems to be all base on the 2GG Championship. GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? 02:09, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

Well, yeah. That's the whole idea of taking pictures of an event. To capture what the event was all about for people who couldn't experience it. Anyways, the ZeRo pictures are towards the end on page 5 and 6. Pokebub (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

"You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:"

The new file extension does not match its type.

I'm trying to move File:HNI 0025.JPG to a more appropriate name, but it's not letting me. I keep getting that message. How do I fix this? Unowninator (talk) 17:34, 24 July 2018 (EDT)

Yes, this error occurs when the new destination has a different file type (such as being .jgp instead of .png). Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 17:37, 24 July 2018 (EDT)

Oh that's why; I deleted the JPG part. Thanks. Unowninator (talk) 17:48, 24 July 2018 (EDT)

I am sorry for past actions

I know it has been years. I have learned my lessons. TBH 3 months is not long. We have to wait until December for Ultimate. I doubt I will be active much. Maybe a few changes here and there. I hope you understand. The times I am on here, I will do my best. Peace out. Swagman, the Green Swordsman 14:59, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

Few Things

Hi, I've talked to Aidanzapunk about the SSBB and SSBM templates, both of which I cannot edit (you can see from his talk page: Aidanzapunk). And have listed some redundant mediawiki titles that can be deleted as they are not needed. Conker the Squirrel (talk) 07:47, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

It's not much but...

Er, I know this probably doesn't mean much coming from me but, you really do deserve this:

Aw thanks! Haven't seen that in a while. Serpent  King 12:33, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

So, I need help with something

I decided to make a smasher page for the Japanese Sonic main RYO, who has a tag similar to Ryo the Ike main. How exactly do I make it so that when I search for RYO, not Ryo, I don't only get results for Ryo. I feel stuck there. Iridium77 (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Search is case-insensitive. However, pages are not, so if we make a redirect to RYO (which I've done) it'll find the page first. It works now. Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 18:37, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Okay. So, if I ever need to do this again, what exactly should I do, as in, how do I make a redirect. Sorry if I sound clueless. Iridium77 (talk) 18:49, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Just make a page with nothing but this sort of text:

#REDIRECT [[Smasher:RYO]]

Toomai Glittershine The Trumpeteer 18:55, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Featured Article

Where was the selection of Smash Bros. Ultimate discussed and approved? The only thing I can find is a nomination on SW:FA that was opposed nearly universally. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 20:58, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

I was not aware of this discussion but it is worth pointing out that it occurred before we knew anything about anything, as opposed to now where we mostly know what's what at this point. As SW:FA says, we are currently not using the voting system, so I changed it on a whim to the article that made the most sense. Serpent  King 21:03, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

About the Sumabato page I added.

I just added a complete page on the Sumabato series, looking at how it was in the wanted section, but I see another page about it too, although it is incomplete. Did I do something wrong? Iridium77 (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

What page is incomplete? Serpent  King 15:18, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

When I search for "Sumabato", I get two results: the tournament series page I made, and one that also lists Sumabato results, but doesn't have as much as mine, although I just realized I missed the qualifiers. I feel like I made a mistake, so I just wanted to clear this up. Iridium77 (talk) 15:44, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

The article you made should be called Tournament:Sumabato (dismabiguation), Tournament:Sumabato should be an article formatted like this (that's a lot of work for a big series). Serpent  King 16:15, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

Oh, I see. I guess I can try to finish something like that next week, then. Iridium77 (talk) 16:22, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

Overloaded speedy deletion section

Are the old 3DS trophy redirects not deleted yet because the section's overloaded? If so, I'm sorry I did, I can just remove some so there's not much to delete within the same day. Speed48 11:12, 22 August 2018 (EDT)

It's just something I need to set time aside for is all. Serpent  King 13:32, 22 August 2018 (EDT)

Oh, well I already started taking some out of the section, so neither you or another higher-up have to go through as much in the same sitting. Speed48 13:35, 22 August 2018 (EDT)

Blocked?

Hi, I’m kind of confused. When trying to edit the Shovel Knight (Universe) page, it said I had been blocked for spam, advertising, and lewd bing searches. It told me to come to you with questions. So firstly, I don’t think I’ve been spamming. Secondly, I haven’t been advertising anything. Thirdly, I don’t even use bing! So what’s going on? 72.133.91.93 08:45, 24 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

I'm not SK, but I think I can shed a bit of light on this.

16:38, 3 August 2018 Serpent King (talk | contribs) blocked 107.77.192.0/19 (talk) with an expiry time of 1 month (anonymous users only, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (unwanted spam/advertisement: IP range for all of these lewd bing searches)

-This appears to be the problem, but it doesn't match your IP oddly enough. Do you perhaps use a vpn service sometimes? Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 08:54, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

Well, the only thing I can think of is I was in the bathroom when I saw the message, but I don’t really do much there so I don’t know why that would change anything.72.133.91.93 08:58, 24 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Not sure what's going on there, but the system shows that your IP address is not blocked. Let me know if the problem continues, and send me a screenshot of what you are seeing. Thanks Serpent  King 11:02, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

I would like a rename

I request the name John McCain. If it is a unacceptable username, I will request the username Corrin Fan. George Jones 17:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

I'll take the name "Corrin Fan". As per SW:NAMECHANGE, please write back here in a few days to confirm. Thanks! Serpent  King 10:38, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

Confirming username change. George Jones 21:24, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Instant KO GIFs

Hey, wanted to apologize for the namespace edit spam on my Instant KO article. The GIF thumbnailing process was very slow and I had to check and redo my work a few times due to it timing out or not generating the thumbnails. Edits should be done now. SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

Moving damage ratio article

Looks like I messed things up by adding the deletion tag to the launch rate redirect, as apparently you can only move a page to overwrite a redirect if the redirect has no edit history. So now I get the "page of that name already exists" error. In order to move damage ratio, can we go through the deletion process for the redirect? SuperFalconBros (talk) 12:09, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

Ok, so I looked at the talk page of the article in question, and I think it's clear that you don't really understand who the consensus policy works. Please do have a read of SW:CONSENSUS. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 12:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

I most definitely understand it. The rules for the deletion tag (not the speedy version) state that after the tag is added, consensus should be formed before the deletion is carried out. That's what I'm asking for here, not for Serpent King to just delete the page. SuperFalconBros (talk) 12:21, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

On the talk page you specifically said "If nobody is opposed enough to reply here, I'm going to go ahead and do this". This quite clearly shows that you do not understand the consensus process. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 12:22, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

As you can see from my actions, what I meant by "do this" was "start the process for removing the redirect by adding the tag, after which consensus has to be reached on the deletion itself." I wasn't even aware that pages could be moved to overwrite redirects without going through the deletion process, so I had no plans to make the move without consensus. You are mistaken. SuperFalconBros (talk) 12:27, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

Recent vandalism

Mind giving "Those are deadly 27" and "73.109.217.252" the boot please? They both vandalized the Smasher:Pandarian page, and then the latter vandalized my own talk page. Speed48 01:57, 20 September 2018 (EDT)

BetaBoxArtMelee.jpg

Hi Serpent King, thanks for deleting that image. Was there any particular reason why you did? Is it because it's under 2MB? Or the ign logo? Conker the Squirrel (talk) 22:54, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

Or you could read the reason in the Deletion log: '08:15, 23 September 2018 Serpent King (talk | contribs) deleted page File:BetaBoxArtMelee.jpg (image replaced)' Just a thought... Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:03, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

The old one was miss-colored and had a watermark. Serpent  King 03:23, 23 September 2018 (EDT)

You deleted the ZSS and Rumble Falls photo. Kind of still confused--do you accept image replacements if they are a good filesize and retain decent quality? Conker the Squirrel (talk) 14:02, 23 September 2018 (EDT)

Yes and if there are obvious improvements. Serpent  King 14:09, 23 September 2018 (EDT)

Signature Change

I keep forgetting which user changes the signatures around here. Could you please direct me to their user page? I think I put in a request on their talk page before, but then I forgot which user it was. ^^' Speed48 17:46, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

You change your own signature. If you're after a username change, you're in the right place already. Serpent  King 17:50, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

You can change your own signature in Special:Preferences, and review acceptability guidelines at SW:SIGN. – Emmett 19:29, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

Hey, I hope my new signature (SonicSpeed48) is alright with you guys. SonicSpeed48 01:33, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Creating Subpages (for Userpages)

Hello! I'm curious on how subpages for userpages work, and how I should create it. However, I can't find anything on it anywhere on the wiki. Mind if you give me some advice? SugarCookie420 (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

Subpages are created by [[Name of page/Name of subpage]]. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:57, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

So just like a regular wiki page? SugarCookie420 (talk) 21:24, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

Yep. The forward slash will cause the system to note it as a subpage. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:48, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

Also (Sorry Serpent King for crowding your talk section), while unrelated, I was wondering if there was a limit on user images. I don't want to overcrowd the user image category with my images, however I have seen people with a lot of images on their user images. SugarCookie420 (talk) 23:00, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

There is no real limit but please be responsible about it. Serpent  King 06:54, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Brawl Victory Poses Template

Hey, so this guy has been uploading animated versions of the Brawl victory poses and they should definitely replace the static images currently on the Brawl character pages. Problem is, I don't really know how to change the template to the way it needs to be. Since you made the template to begin with, would you mind updating it sometime soon to accommodate for animated images? Thanks. John HUAH! 15:09, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

Do we have them all? The template needs all or most, or it's a lot of legwork...Serpent  King

Not yet. Personally, I think the template should be designed around the animated images we want, even if we don't have everything yet. But since you know how to code it it's up to you lol. John HUAH! 11:48, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

I can do it, but we'd have to go to every single article we don't have all 3 animated gifs for and tell the template to just use the static ones. The fact that the static ones are also merged (all 3 in one image) is also an issue... Serpent  King 19:20, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

Proposals

Hey, I was wondering, how do you start proposals? It might be something you can only do with an account, but if it isn’t, I’d like to know how, as I was intending to propose a: Upcoming Major tournaments template as people do often come here looking for upcoming tournaments (even if it isn’t what the site is for) and as it is, one must actively search for known upcoming tournaments, and usually only see after it’s over and the results are posted here. Wouldn’t have to be anything fancy, just something that covers most major tournaments like Shine, CEO, The Big House, EVO, etc. If I can’t due to being an IP, can you get someone else to make this proposal? Hank you. 72.133.91.93 09:56, 2 October 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105

Proposals are created by going to Forum:Proposals. I believe we already have the template you want to propose though. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 10:06, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

No offense, but that’s not what I meant. I meant like a section on the main page similar to the already existing “Upcoming NIWA releases” template, but for upcoming tournaments. Thank you for the clarification though BV. 72.133.91.93 11:23, 2 October 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

We have List of national tournaments that lists announced ones. I think that's enough. Serpent  King 13:18, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

To add on to this, I believe I have submitted a proposal, but I don't see it on the list yet... did I do it correctly? davidvkimball 16:26, 4 October 2018 (EDT)

Fixed it. Serpent  King 16:52, 4 October 2018 (EDT)