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:: What you call “imperceptible” can be a huge difference in readability for some readers. The thin space and “curly” (left and right) quotes ''are'' used in other articles. Thin spaces make numbers more readable by keeping the digit groups closer together, and the “straight” ASCII quote is a relic from times where there was not enough room in the character set for two different quote characters. In the interest of consistency, correct typography should be used everywhere. What you might have heard about curly quotes being incompatible with certain programs might actually be referring to HTML code, where ASCII quotes should always be used to delimit attributes. The English Wikipedia is the odd one out here: most other wikis (including Wikipedia in other languages) do not have this rule. If you can't type the correct quotes for some reason, use ASCII quotes and someone else will fix them for you. They can be easily typed on OS X, iOS, Android, and as far as I can tell also on Windows with the most common keyboard layouts (older versions of Windows may use a more complex keystroke). Basically, the benefits for readers far outweigh the potential issues for editors, so correct typography should be used at all times. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 02:00, 21 July 2015 (EDT) | :: What you call “imperceptible” can be a huge difference in readability for some readers. The thin space and “curly” (left and right) quotes ''are'' used in other articles. Thin spaces make numbers more readable by keeping the digit groups closer together, and the “straight” ASCII quote is a relic from times where there was not enough room in the character set for two different quote characters. In the interest of consistency, correct typography should be used everywhere. What you might have heard about curly quotes being incompatible with certain programs might actually be referring to HTML code, where ASCII quotes should always be used to delimit attributes. The English Wikipedia is the odd one out here: most other wikis (including Wikipedia in other languages) do not have this rule. If you can't type the correct quotes for some reason, use ASCII quotes and someone else will fix them for you. They can be easily typed on OS X, iOS, Android, and as far as I can tell also on Windows with the most common keyboard layouts (older versions of Windows may use a more complex keystroke). Basically, the benefits for readers far outweigh the potential issues for editors, so correct typography should be used at all times. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 02:00, 21 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
:::A search reveals there are seven pages on the entire wiki that use curly quotes. Two are [[List of Director's Room Miiverse posts]] and [[List of tips (SSB4-Wii U)]], where copying the original source is paramount. One is | :::A search reveals there are seven pages on the entire wiki that use curly quotes. Two are [[List of Director's Room Miiverse posts]] and [[List of tips (SSB4-Wii U)]], where copying the original source is paramount. One is History of the Midwest Smash Scene, a massive blob of outdated barely-wiki-valid text. One is [[Sonic (SSB4)]], which has it for his taunts for some reason (no other character pages do). The last three ([[Event match]], [[List of trophies by unlock criteria (SSB4-Wii U)]], [[List of unlockables (SSB4-Wii U)]]) are all pages that you have added curly quotes to. Therefore, I would say that "curly quotes are being used in articles" is currently at best inconcistent with the wiki as a whole. | ||
:::It appears you are suggesting we convert the entire wiki to use curly quotes. As proven many times, bots are not good at this, meaning we would have to do it manually. I hope you agree this is very infeasible and almost impossible to enforce, given that pretty much the entire current userbase other than yourself is not used to the concept (hey, you yourself neglected a curly apostrophe in your "can't" above). | :::It appears you are suggesting we convert the entire wiki to use curly quotes. As proven many times, bots are not good at this, meaning we would have to do it manually. I hope you agree this is very infeasible and almost impossible to enforce, given that pretty much the entire current userbase other than yourself is not used to the concept (hey, you yourself neglected a curly apostrophe in your "can't" above). | ||
:::Thin spaces in numbers is usually not an issue whatsoever, since I think the two million G on the challenge panel is the only case where the game (and the wiki) uses spaces instead of commas for delimiting. But if the resulting difference is a single pixel on my screen, I'm going to have a hard time believing that it's easier to read. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Altruistic 08:34, 21 July 2015 (EDT) | :::Thin spaces in numbers is usually not an issue whatsoever, since I think the two million G on the challenge panel is the only case where the game (and the wiki) uses spaces instead of commas for delimiting. But if the resulting difference is a single pixel on my screen, I'm going to have a hard time believing that it's easier to read. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Altruistic 08:34, 21 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
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Hello Toomai, I had again left the wiki for a long while and I now want to make edits again... but still needing to have those old posts in my talk page bothers me. I dislike them now, they look too old and stupid, and that's considering people will have to see them if they want to talk to me. | Hello Toomai, I had again left the wiki for a long while and I now want to make edits again... but still needing to have those old posts in my talk page bothers me. I dislike them now, they look too old and stupid, and that's considering people will have to see them if they want to talk to me. | ||
So, would it be fine if I make a new account and then you delete this one? Otherwise I can't really feel comfortable. I'd really appreciate the help. | So, would it be fine if I make a new account and then you delete this one? Otherwise I can't really feel comfortable. I'd really appreciate the help. [[User:MightyKing98|<font color="olive">'''Mighty'''</font><font color="purple">'''King'''</font>]][[User talk:MightyKing98|<font color="red">'''98'''</font>]] 01:07, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | ||
:If it bothers you that much, just archive the talkpage and make a new blank one. That way the old stuff still exists without being in obvious view. For the record, it is impossible to delete an account without merging it into some other account. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 09:39, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | :If it bothers you that much, just archive the talkpage and make a new blank one. That way the old stuff still exists without being in obvious view. For the record, it is impossible to delete an account without merging it into some other account. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 09:39, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | ||
::Ok then, but I'd still like to change my username, this time to '''DracoRexKing''': sounds more creative and original (without similar names coming around), and that's how my Miiverse account and even my Miis in Smash (with abbreviations) are called now. After that I'll archive my talk page posts. | ::Ok then, but I'd still like to change my username, this time to '''DracoRexKing''': sounds more creative and original (without similar names coming around), and that's how my Miiverse account and even my Miis in Smash (with abbreviations) are called now. After that I'll archive my talk page posts. [[User:MightyKing98|<font color="olive">'''Mighty'''</font><font color="purple">'''King'''</font>]][[User talk:MightyKing98|<font color="red">'''98'''</font>]] 11:38, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | ||
:::As per [[SW:NAMECHANGE]], wait a few days and remind me about this, and I'll do it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Trumpeteer 12:27, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | :::As per [[SW:NAMECHANGE]], wait a few days and remind me about this, and I'll do it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Trumpeteer 12:27, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | ||
::::Ok, I've already revamped my userpage and signature, so I'll remind you about the name change tomorrow if you agree. [[File:Badass Nidoking.png|20px]] [[User:MightyKing98|<font color="blue">'''Draco'''</font><font color="red">'''Rex'''</font>]][[User talk:MightyKing98|<font color="purple">'''King'''</font>]] 16:11, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | ::::Ok, I've already revamped my userpage and signature, so I'll remind you about the name change tomorrow if you agree. [[File:Badass Nidoking.png|20px]] [[User:MightyKing98|<font color="blue">'''Draco'''</font><font color="red">'''Rex'''</font>]][[User talk:MightyKing98|<font color="purple">'''King'''</font>]] 16:11, 1 August 2015 (EDT) | ||
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:I don't see any reason to decide one based on the result of the other. They should be evaluated independently of each other. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 09:37, 28 August 2015 (EDT) | :I don't see any reason to decide one based on the result of the other. They should be evaluated independently of each other. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 09:37, 28 August 2015 (EDT) | ||
::I just withdrew my RfA, just so you know. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 04:15, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | ::I just withdrew my RfA, just so you know. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 04:15, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | ||
::Bump now that you are here. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 23:33, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
== I'm back! == | == I'm back! == | ||