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 ::Unlike Miles, I think we should indeed use names for normal attacks whenever the smallest source is available (e.g. the players' guides) (he's the only one who has ever argued the opposite to my memory). But that said it would still be nice to trace things back to a source somewhere that's not a wiki. I know the SSB64 website has names, and the SSBM one does for G&W, but I don't remember seeing anything else myself. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Non-Toxic 09:17, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
-== Personal de-clone concepts (Will be gradually updated) ==
+== Dragon Fang ==
-== Personal de-clone concepts ==
+Why are you so adamant about including a note about the translation of "竜穿" as "Dragon Fang"? We don't particularly need to note every instance of Smash being consistent with translations in the source games. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:13, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
-I'm not sure if this is the place to discuss it here, but it's been on my mind for a while since there's A LOT of people who seem to just hate the fact that Sakurai (save for Dr. Mario possibly) threw in clones of characters moveset wise once again.
+::Meh, I'm just a dumbass who's adamant about literal translations anyway, since arguably Japanese isn't as heavily contextual as Chinese. Is it even actually translated as Dragon Fang in Japanese via the original games, or is it a traditional hold-over on Fire Emblem Wiki? --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 23:16, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
+:::I'm not sure I understand the way you worded your question exactly, but to my knowledge the English translation of 竜穿 in everything Fates and SSB4 related is Dragon Fang, 100% consistently. And in terms of how "literal" it is, it seems to be a play on the part of 穿 that's 牙. But the point is mostly that SSB4 maintaining that localization doesn't really require us to go out of our way to point it out. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:29, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
+::::Well, there's a similar concept with Monado Arts. Most of that stuff had translation notes courtesy of me too. --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 23:42, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
+:::::Okay, nevermind. You're right. But I still think that it has to be pointed out because 穿 =/= 牙. It would make a bit more sense if it was some sort of "Shōnen Jump Alternate Character Reading Random English Over Kanji" translation, but whatever. --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 00:07, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
+::::::And I meant to say "did the Japanese developers actually want to translate it like that", or "is it because the bigger Fire Emblem wiki also translated it as Dragon Fang and that you wanted to borrow from them?" --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 00:34, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
-Here's the list of attacks that will be different for my personal version of most of the characters in ''Smash'', with the Japanese names included JPN source wise:
+== Hi ==
-[['''Lucina''']]:
+Please see [[SW:TRIVIA]]. A lot of your edits seem to stray outside of our trivia guidelines. Thanks! <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:45, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
-*Forward tilt: {{ja|スイングエッジ|Suingu Ejji}}, Swing Edge
+:Yay. Wonderful. More ire from others invoked by me. Great. GG. --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 19:04, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
-**{{change|Does a single-handed overhead swipe (with following/left arm bent across and raised a bit up) while leaning forward, almost akin to a one-legged crane-stance version of her forward smash (Dragon Killer).}}
+::Just be happy it's not as strict here as bulbapedia; I actually lost my trivia privileges there for similar mistakes (although I did continue even after being told hold off a bit). [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:23, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
-***{{change|Hits sooner up above her, but somewhat later compared to the original forward tilt. It still has roughly the same animation speed and recovery however.}}
+:::Meh, I don't even know how to feel. It's typical bullshit I manage to pull off anyway when it comes to wikis. --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 21:27, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
-*Up tilt: {{ja|アンチエアスイング|Anchī Ea Suingu}}, Anti Air Swing
-**{{change|Swings upward and inward while standing upright, akin to a more vertical version of her neutral attack's second input (Combination Slash); ironically, the original up tilt was a near-vertical version of her neutral attack (Slash) and forward tilt (Hard Edge)}}.
-***{{change|Has more vertical range and range that hits behind her, but almost less horizontal range in front. Also has somewhat notable base knockback that makes it a solid combo tool, but the scaling is rather small to prevent it from being a cheap KO tool.}}
-*Neutral aerial: {{ja|ダブルスイング|Daburu Suingu}}, Double Swing
-**{{change|Slashes inward diagonally upward, then outward-upward both in a criss-cross. Has much better vertical range that allows her to control space in front of her, but lacks the turn around from her original neutral aerial's (Double Slash) second hit, thus it has no hitbox behind her directly other than a bit above on both hits (akin to the ending hitbox of Upper Swing, the original back aerial).}}
-*Down aerial: {{ja|ワイドムーン|Waido Muun}}, Wide Moon
-**{{change|Merely a different Japanese name for the ''Smash 4'' down aerial she keeps (while Marth retains the original Half Moon down aerial from ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''). Further sets both Lucina and Marth apart in not only she slashes with more grace, but she has her down aerial hit later in trade of not needing a sweetspot.}}
-*Back aerial: {{ja|ストレートスイング|Sutoreeto Suingu}}, Straight Swing
-**{{change|A backwards version of her forward aerial (Flag Cut), which hits sooner above, but hits later below her.}}
-Will add more as I go on. --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 23:26, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
+== Japanese wiki information ==
+For starters, talk pages really shouldn't be used for raw information dumps. Besides, we've been over this repeatedly when it comes to individual move names. Unless you have an official source (e.g., not a fan wiki) to document a move name, it shouldn't be used. If you want to document what the Japanese wiki says for your own interest, use a user subpage; but don't clutter up talk pages with walls of information that's not traceable to anything official. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:41, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
+== Your userspace page. ==
+{{reminder|prob}}
+If you edit your userspace page too much, you won't be able to edit it at all anymore. I'm actually quite surprised nobody else notified you about this. Try to edit your userspace page as <I>few times as possible. </i> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:42, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
+:Probation is meant to stop vanity/extraneous userpage edits. The user in question has been using the userpage as a testing ground for future Wiki content from what I understand, so there isn't much justification to this warning. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 17:44, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
+== Animation changes ==
+get filed under "aesthetic changes" as long as the animation change itself does not largely affect the move's functionality. Also, another reminder of the trivia thing. You keep adding non-trivia, please stop. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 03:24, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
+:Also a lot of them are very minor changes that probably do not need to be mentioned anyway. 4 is a different game from Brawl...EVERY move has at least a different animation. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 03:29, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
+::So I just need to throw in new animations only if it changes the move radically in some way, right? Also, in terms of the trivia, me just saying "okay I'll stop" may not actually cause this bullshit to end due to you sounding not easily convinced due to my poor reputation (didn't you read my user page? :P) --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro#top|talk]]) 04:37, 25 August 2016 (EDT)