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::The "best of their main" criteria in the definition has implications. If it were meant to only include top tiers then the criteria would not have implication and thus wouldn't be there. There is no ''argument from ignorance'' there. The argument from ignorance shows up when you try to imply that because no low tier player examples are given it means that low tiers are not included in the definition. [[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173|107.222.230.173]] 07:48, 16 November 2015 (EST) | ::The "best of their main" criteria in the definition has implications. If it were meant to only include top tiers then the criteria would not have implication and thus wouldn't be there. There is no ''argument from ignorance'' there. The argument from ignorance shows up when you try to imply that because no low tier player examples are given it means that low tiers are not included in the definition. [[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173|107.222.230.173]] 07:48, 16 November 2015 (EST) | ||
:::I feel as if you've misunderstood something. I never said the words "only top tiers are included" or that "all players who use low tiers are excluded; I said "lack of clarification is not the same as 'the best character of this low tier is a top professional'". | :::First thing's first... your "implications" argument is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_fallacy deductive fallacy]; there's no proof that there were any "implications". Secondly, I feel as if you've misunderstood something. I never said the words "only top tiers are included" or that "all players who use low tiers are excluded"; I said "lack of clarification is not the same as 'the best character of this low tier is a top professional'". | ||
:::1. I already gave the example of {{Sm|Josuke}} from Japan being listed, who wins the majority of national ''Smash 64'' tournaments over there with {{SSB|Samus}} (who is officially ranked as a "low tier"). | :::1. I already gave the example of {{Sm|Josuke}} from Japan being listed, who wins the majority of national ''Smash 64'' tournaments over there with {{SSB|Samus}} (who is officially ranked as a "low tier"). | ||
:::2. There have been players who have found national success with mid tiers, such as {{Sm|Axe}} ({{SSBM|Pikachu}}), {{Sm|Shroomed}} ({{SSBM|Dr. Mario}}, although he has since switched to {{SSBM|Sheik}}), {{Sm|Plup}} ({{SSBM|Samus}}, who he sometimes uses as a counterpick even though he mains Sheik now), and {{Sm|Abate}} ({{SSBM|Luigi}}). | :::2. There have been players who have found national success with mid tiers, such as {{Sm|Axe}} ({{SSBM|Pikachu}}), {{Sm|Shroomed}} ({{SSBM|Dr. Mario}}, although he has since switched to {{SSBM|Sheik}}), {{Sm|Plup}} ({{SSBM|Samus}}, who he sometimes uses as a counterpick even though he mains Sheik now), and {{Sm|Abate}} ({{SSBM|Luigi}}). | ||
:::I have no qualms with mid or low tiers being "included" in the definition; however, it is '''NOT''' the same as saying "the best player with this mid or low tier character is a top player", | :::I have no qualms with mid or low tiers being "included" in the definition; however, it is '''NOT''' the same as saying "the best player with this mid or low tier character is a top player", despite not having the national results to show it. The players that I have listed have all shown that they can place Top 8 at multiple nationals with these characters. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:03, 16 November 2015 (EST) | ||
The bit about "and/or for their respective main character." should be removed from the pro page, the skill listing is purely about their ability to place in tournament, and the skill listing in the smasherbeta does not care for what character the player uses. On the [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Template:Smasherbeta Smasherbeta] page, in our criteria for what is a top pro, it makes no mention of character; "'Top professional - A competitive smasher that is among the best, able to win regionals and everything below, and place in the money at nationals. ''" | |||
As such, Simna being the best Ness in Melee is completely irrelevant to whether we list his skill as "top pro" or not. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:20, 16 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:I hear you. I'll keep this definition in mind when making future edits.[[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173|107.222.230.173]] 09:51, 16 November 2015 (EST) | |||