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===Differences from [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)|Captain Falcon]]=== | ===Differences from [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)|Captain Falcon]]=== | ||
====Attributes==== | |||
==== Attributes ==== | *{{buff|Ganondorf is larger than Captain Falcon, giving his attacks more [[reach]].}} | ||
*{{buff|Ganondorf's | *{{nerf|Ganondorf's larger size makes his hurtbox larger and thus easier to hit.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ganondorf's [[walk]]ing and [[dash]]ing speed | *{{buff|Ganondorf's ledge jump is higher than Captain Falcon's, being the highest in the game.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ganondorf's [[walk]]ing and [[dash]]ing speed, and [[air speed]] are all lower than Captain Falcon's.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Ganondorf's [[jump]] and [[midair jump]] are lower than Captain Falcon's.}} | *{{nerf|Ganondorf's [[jump]] and [[midair jump]] are lower than Captain Falcon's.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ganondorf cannot [[wall jump]] unlike Captain Falcon.}} | *{{nerf|Ganondorf cannot [[wall jump]] unlike Captain Falcon.}} | ||
*{{change|Ganondorf is [[weight|heavier]] than Captain Falcon but has lower [[gravity]] and [[falling speed]], giving him more horizontal endurance but less vertical endurance.}} | |||
*{{change|Ganondorf's moves are generally slower but more powerful than Captain Falcon's.}} | *{{change|Ganondorf's moves are generally slower but more powerful than Captain Falcon's.}} | ||
*{{change|Many of Ganondorf's attacks deal [[darkness]] and [[electric]] damage as opposed to Captain Falcon's [[flame]].}} | |||
*{{change|Many of Ganondorf's attacks deal [[darkness]] and [[electric]] damage as opposed to Captain Falcon's [[ | |||
==== Ground attacks ==== | ====Ground attacks==== | ||
*{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] is significantly more powerful (the third strongest in the game) | *{{buff|[[Neutral attack]] is a single punch with an electric effect and unusually high knockback for a jab. It also deals more damage than the first two hits and the infinite of Captain Falcon's jab.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Dash attack]] is | *{{nerf|Neutral attack deals less damage than Captain Falcon's [[Gentleman]] (third hit), and is thus weaker than Captain Falcon's jab if all its hits connect.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] is significantly more powerful (the third strongest in the game) and deals more damage than Captain Falcon's.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Up tilt]] deals much higher damage with extreme knockback, able to KO from center under 25% and at 0% near ledges and is thus the strongest up tilt in the game.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up tilt has drastically more start-up, lasting 88 frames before the attack occurs, making it impossible to land in almost any circumstance outside of punishment.}} | |||
*{{change|Up tilt has a wind effect while the leg is lifted up and an explosive effect when the leg strikes the ground.}} | |||
*{{nerf|[[Down tilt]] is slower.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Dash attack]] is much more powerful than Captain Falcon's, as well as being a useful combo starter.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Forward smash]] has much higher knockback and range.}} | *{{buff|[[Forward smash]] has much higher knockback and range.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{nerf|Forward smash has more start-up than Captain Falcon's.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{change|Forward smash has almost purely vertical knockback instead of largely horizontal.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|[[Up smash]]'s two hits do not link reliably, but both hits deal more damage and knockback, with the first hit being more powerful than the two hits of Captain Falcon's, and both being the most damaging up smash in the game.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Up smash is less useful as a combo move.}} | *{{nerf|Up smash is less useful as a combo move.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|[[Down smash]]'s two hits can [[natural combo|naturally combo]] into each other, dealing more damage than Captain Falcon's if both hits connect, and also deals more knockback.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Down smash's two hits deal less damage, resulting it being weaker than Captain Falcon's if it only hits once.}} | |||
*{{ | |||
*{{change|Down smash has diagonal knockback instead of largely horizontal.}} | *{{change|Down smash has diagonal knockback instead of largely horizontal.}} | ||
==== Aerial attacks ==== | ====Aerial attacks==== | ||
*{{buff|[[Neutral aerial]] has much higher damage and knockback on both hits, and the first hit has KO power on its own.}} | *{{buff|[[Neutral aerial]] has much higher damage and knockback on both hits, and the first hit has KO power on its own.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[ | *{{nerf|Neutral aerial's two hits do not link reliably, and does slightly less damage than Captain Falcon's two hits if it hits once.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ganondorf has a completely different [[forward aerial]]: an arcing downward punch. It has no [[sourspot]] and much longer range than Captain Falcon's [[Knee Smash]].}} | |||
*{{nerf|Forward aerial is less powerful than a [[sweetspot]]ted Knee Smash and has significantly higher landing lag.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Back aerial]] has no sourspot and better range and power than Captain Falcon's.}} | *{{buff|[[Back aerial]] has no sourspot and better range and power than Captain Falcon's.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Up aerial]] is much stronger and longer-ranged than Captain Falcon's, and, | *{{buff|[[Up aerial]] is much stronger and longer-ranged, and its late hitboxes that [[semi-spike]] have more knockback and higher [[hitstun]], making it more effective at [[edge-guarding]] than Captain Falcon's.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] is much stronger in both damage and knockback than Captain Falcon's equivalent, | *{{nerf|Up aerial is a less effective move for combos thanks to its increased power, and it cannot hit opponents upwards. Additionally the late semi-spiking hitboxes are weaker sourspots, whereas Captain Falcon's is equally strong throughout.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] is much stronger in both damage and knockback than Captain Falcon's equivalent, and is the strongest [[meteor smash]] in ''Melee'', able to KO grounded opponents under 100%.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Down aerial is much slower than Captain Falcon's, with drastically increased landing lag, and lacks the [[nipple spike]] hitbox.}} | |||
*{{change|Down aerial has an electric effect.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Down aerial is much slower than Captain Falcon's, with drastically increased landing lag, and | |||
*{{change| | |||
==== Special moves ==== | ====Special moves==== | ||
*{{buff|[[Warlock Punch]] is much more powerful than the [[Falcon Punch]], able to KO virtually any character under 30% damage on | *{{buff|[[Warlock Punch]] is much more powerful than the [[Falcon Punch]], dealing more damage and able to KO virtually any character under 30% damage on [[Tournament legal (SSBM)|tournament legal]] stages.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Warlock Punch has more start-up lag than the Falcon Punch, and Ganondorf is unable to perform an equivalent to Captain Falcon's [[Falcon Punch#In Super Smash Bros. Melee|Sacred Combo]] due to his lower air speed, the diagonal knockback angle of his forward aerial, and Warlock Punch's obscene start-up.}} | |||
*{{change|Warlock Punch has significantly different aesthetics from the Falcon Punch; even discounting the darkness effect, it lacks the falcon-shaped fiery aura and falcon screech during the punch.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Gerudo Dragon]] deals much more damage than [[Raptor Boost]].}} | *{{buff|[[Gerudo Dragon]] deals much more damage than [[Raptor Boost]].}} | ||
*{{nerf|Gerudo Dragon's increased knockback makes it harder to combo into other attacks compared to Raptor Boost, while still being unable to KO at realistic percentages. It also is slower, covers less distance, and the aerial version cannot meteor smash.}} | *{{nerf|Gerudo Dragon's increased knockback makes it harder to combo into other attacks compared to Raptor Boost, while still being unable to KO at realistic percentages. It also is slower, covers less distance, and the aerial version cannot meteor smash.}} | ||
*{{change|Gerudo Dragon has a darkness effect instead of flame.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Dark Dive]]'s grab deals four weak electric hits, which can hit opponents who attempt to intercept Ganondorf, and thus makes it deal higher damage than [[Falcon Dive]]. The throw also has stronger knockback.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Dark Dive is slightly slower than Falcon Dive.}} | *{{nerf|Dark Dive is slightly slower than Falcon Dive.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|Grounded [[Wizard's Foot]] is stronger than [[Falcon Kick]] with a more favorable semi-spike angle.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|Aerial Wizard's Foot is a powerful [[spike]] instead of dealing upwards vertical knockback like Falcon Kick, making it deadly off-stage. It is also safer to use to restore Ganondorf's midair jump thanks to his lower falling speed compared to Captain Falcon.}} | ||
*{{change| | *{{nerf|Both Grounded and Aerial Wizard's Foot have slightly more start-up and ending lag.}} | ||
*{{change|Wizard's Foot has a darkness effect instead of flame.}} |
Latest revision as of 19:11, November 6, 2015
Differences from Captain Falcon[edit]
Attributes[edit]
- Ganondorf is larger than Captain Falcon, giving his attacks more reach.
- Ganondorf's larger size makes his hurtbox larger and thus easier to hit.
- Ganondorf's ledge jump is higher than Captain Falcon's, being the highest in the game.
- Ganondorf's walking and dashing speed, and air speed are all lower than Captain Falcon's.
- Ganondorf's jump and midair jump are lower than Captain Falcon's.
- Ganondorf cannot wall jump unlike Captain Falcon.
- Ganondorf is heavier than Captain Falcon but has lower gravity and falling speed, giving him more horizontal endurance but less vertical endurance.
- Ganondorf's moves are generally slower but more powerful than Captain Falcon's.
- Many of Ganondorf's attacks deal darkness and electric damage as opposed to Captain Falcon's flame.
Ground attacks[edit]
- Neutral attack is a single punch with an electric effect and unusually high knockback for a jab. It also deals more damage than the first two hits and the infinite of Captain Falcon's jab.
- Neutral attack deals less damage than Captain Falcon's Gentleman (third hit), and is thus weaker than Captain Falcon's jab if all its hits connect.
- Forward tilt is significantly more powerful (the third strongest in the game) and deals more damage than Captain Falcon's.
- Up tilt deals much higher damage with extreme knockback, able to KO from center under 25% and at 0% near ledges and is thus the strongest up tilt in the game.
- Up tilt has drastically more start-up, lasting 88 frames before the attack occurs, making it impossible to land in almost any circumstance outside of punishment.
- Up tilt has a wind effect while the leg is lifted up and an explosive effect when the leg strikes the ground.
- Down tilt is slower.
- Dash attack is much more powerful than Captain Falcon's, as well as being a useful combo starter.
- Forward smash has much higher knockback and range.
- Forward smash has more start-up than Captain Falcon's.
- Forward smash has almost purely vertical knockback instead of largely horizontal.
- Up smash's two hits do not link reliably, but both hits deal more damage and knockback, with the first hit being more powerful than the two hits of Captain Falcon's, and both being the most damaging up smash in the game.
- Up smash is less useful as a combo move.
- Down smash's two hits can naturally combo into each other, dealing more damage than Captain Falcon's if both hits connect, and also deals more knockback.
- Down smash's two hits deal less damage, resulting it being weaker than Captain Falcon's if it only hits once.
- Down smash has diagonal knockback instead of largely horizontal.
Aerial attacks[edit]
- Neutral aerial has much higher damage and knockback on both hits, and the first hit has KO power on its own.
- Neutral aerial's two hits do not link reliably, and does slightly less damage than Captain Falcon's two hits if it hits once.
- Ganondorf has a completely different forward aerial: an arcing downward punch. It has no sourspot and much longer range than Captain Falcon's Knee Smash.
- Forward aerial is less powerful than a sweetspotted Knee Smash and has significantly higher landing lag.
- Back aerial has no sourspot and better range and power than Captain Falcon's.
- Up aerial is much stronger and longer-ranged, and its late hitboxes that semi-spike have more knockback and higher hitstun, making it more effective at edge-guarding than Captain Falcon's.
- Up aerial is a less effective move for combos thanks to its increased power, and it cannot hit opponents upwards. Additionally the late semi-spiking hitboxes are weaker sourspots, whereas Captain Falcon's is equally strong throughout.
- Down aerial is much stronger in both damage and knockback than Captain Falcon's equivalent, and is the strongest meteor smash in Melee, able to KO grounded opponents under 100%.
- Down aerial is much slower than Captain Falcon's, with drastically increased landing lag, and lacks the nipple spike hitbox.
- Down aerial has an electric effect.
Special moves[edit]
- Warlock Punch is much more powerful than the Falcon Punch, dealing more damage and able to KO virtually any character under 30% damage on tournament legal stages.
- Warlock Punch has more start-up lag than the Falcon Punch, and Ganondorf is unable to perform an equivalent to Captain Falcon's Sacred Combo due to his lower air speed, the diagonal knockback angle of his forward aerial, and Warlock Punch's obscene start-up.
- Warlock Punch has significantly different aesthetics from the Falcon Punch; even discounting the darkness effect, it lacks the falcon-shaped fiery aura and falcon screech during the punch.
- Gerudo Dragon deals much more damage than Raptor Boost.
- Gerudo Dragon's increased knockback makes it harder to combo into other attacks compared to Raptor Boost, while still being unable to KO at realistic percentages. It also is slower, covers less distance, and the aerial version cannot meteor smash.
- Gerudo Dragon has a darkness effect instead of flame.
- Dark Dive's grab deals four weak electric hits, which can hit opponents who attempt to intercept Ganondorf, and thus makes it deal higher damage than Falcon Dive. The throw also has stronger knockback.
- Dark Dive is slightly slower than Falcon Dive.
- Grounded Wizard's Foot is stronger than Falcon Kick with a more favorable semi-spike angle.
- Aerial Wizard's Foot is a powerful spike instead of dealing upwards vertical knockback like Falcon Kick, making it deadly off-stage. It is also safer to use to restore Ganondorf's midair jump thanks to his lower falling speed compared to Captain Falcon.
- Both Grounded and Aerial Wizard's Foot have slightly more start-up and ending lag.
- Wizard's Foot has a darkness effect instead of flame.