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Would it be possible to do any sort of neat bot editing to simplify the move process for Dream Land -> Dream Land (SSB) and Mute City -> Mute City (SSBM)? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:45, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | Would it be possible to do any sort of neat bot editing to simplify the move process for Dream Land -> Dream Land (SSB) and Mute City -> Mute City (SSBM)? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:45, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:Might be tricky, but it should be possible. I presume the idea is to assume that all existing links point to the old stages? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 19:48, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::That's the idea. It's not like it's out of the question to do it manually, but it would be less tedious if the workload could be reduced via bot. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:50, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I think a simple "<nowiki>[[Dream Land]] -> {{SSB|Dream Land}}; [[Mute City]] -> {{SSBM|Mute City}}</nowiki>" would be a good start (I suspect it would get 90% of cases). If you move the pages, I'll fire this replace. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Orchestral 20:18, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Moved and ready. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:57, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::Thanks for your assistance. I'd been putting off dealing with that because of the hassle involved, but it ended up not being that big of a problem with XL's help. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:28, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Export page == | |||
The export title says "Admin's" rather than Admins, when it is clearly meant to be a plural noin. May you please [[MediaWiki:Export|change it]]? {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 13:11, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I'll just delete it, it's misleading anyway. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 13:24, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== "we don't list 'got a side special' in SSB64-Melee sections, or 'got a Final Smash' in Melee-Brawl conversion sections, so why here?" == | |||
Um, special case? Besides, why wouldn't we list those things in those sections? They're changes, aren't they? [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 16:32, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:If all characters receive a change, it's not really a change for the character, but a change for the game, and the characters happen to match. You know what I mean? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 16:36, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::I can see how that works for completely universal changes such as adding or modifying air-dodge, or juking with game speed in general, but when it comes to the addition of individualized things like a new move type, it may be worth mentioning for each individual character. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 22:28, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::How is "new move type" not universal? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 22:30, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Well, because everyone's new move of that type is going to be different. Whereas with something like air-dodge, it works exactly the same for all fighters and doesn't need pointing out for every single one. When it comes to a new move type, each character is going to have their own where a single blanket statement on the game's page really wouldn't do it justice. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 22:53, 23 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Is Luigi still a semi-clone of Mario, or not? == | |||
Sorry to bring the debate to your backyard, but the dispute [[Talk:Clone#SSB4 Luigi|here]] can't get resolved because the opposition believes I have a bias, and that the testing I did is therefore invalid. Their conclusions, I think, were made out of stubbornness or spite (I've conflicted with Qwerty and Nutter Butter before), but since they're a majority, there's nothing I can say to convince them. I'll admit that I did get overly aggressive with them and used a tone unbecoming of an established user, but it's mainly because they're incredibly pompous and dense, and the elitism they exhibited pissed me off (Nutter Butter started everything off with "I don't care if [...]", and responded to everything I said with "my argument might be better because I don't like the way you worded yours lol"). That said, I feel your input is necessary and will settle the debate. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 19:36, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I know you didn't ask me, but I [[User:Monsieur Crow/Mario-Luigi debate|decided to try this out for you]]. Input and such requested from either party. | |||
:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 20:36, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::(I'm typing this as I think, so it continues changing theories. That's how I work though, so deal with it.) I can't entirely call you biased since you never truly argued. Although I'm clearly biased, I honestly think 35% is rather low. This is probably going to be shot down for being pompous and dense, but I think the numbers would be better off as 75% and higher for full clones with 50%-75% for semi-clones. From OT's testing, all Melee clones are above 75% except Captain Falcon and Ganondorf, but since they're clearly designed as full clones, perhaps 60% should be the limit just to keep them in, in which case a better number for semi-clones would be 40%, or as low as 35% (the latter of which would keep Luigi in the semi-clone range in Brawl and SSB4). If the semi-clone range is 40%, Fox/Falco and Link/Toon Link would still be semi-clones in Brawl, but Falcon/Ganon and Mario/Luigi would not (which would also make them non-clones in Smash 4 as well). If it is 35%, this makes Mario/Luigi semi-clones in Brawl and Smash 4, but Falcon/Ganon still aren't. Thoughts on these numbers? <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 20:53, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::You didn't have any arguments on the Clone talk page, only fits of whining. I'm having trouble taking you seriously, and I doubt you think as you type (I doubt you think ''at all''). Also, the example of "pompous and dense" in your text shows in your opening statement ("That's how I work though, so deal with it."). In any of your responses, do you ever plan on proving me wrong? | |||
:::That said, the numbers you've presented can't be considered valid; you've accused me of a "bias", then present obviously biased numbers (arbitrary percentage floor of 40%, just to keep Mario and Luigi from being considered semi-clones?). <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 21:05, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Considering Monsieur Crow said that it's "probably inaccurate because I can't easily test the differences due to lack of Human controlled players in training", I wouldn't call the data accurate and final. <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 21:11, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::The purpose of the page was to prevent the lot of you from bothering Toomai. Get a move on~ | |||
::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 21:15, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
Yeah BNK you oughta take a chill pill for this topic. | |||
But anyway, yeah okay I'll have a look and see what my input on clone-ness is. Probably it'll end up with me doing my own comparisons. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 22:37, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Personal attack? == | |||
As you can see in the section above (sorry for messaging all of that on your wall, that was probably uneccesary) and [[Talk:Clone]], BNK is being a bit uh... forceful with his opinions on the Mario/Luigi semi-clone. I'm feeling very much attacked personally right now, considering he called me pompous and dense basically for disagreeing with him. I feel I stated my opinions, and he claims for no evident reason that it's simply whining and stupid. In order to escape the situation, I asked for the opinions of other users, which he took as proof of my idiocy because clearly I can't come up with a better argument. Overall, while [[SW:NPA]] does not make any clear references to what has happened, it states that those examples are not the only ways, so I want to see someone else's opinions. My family thinks its a personal attack, but they're clearly more biased than he is. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 21:43, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Hi == | |||
Hey. Can I grab you in Chat for a few seconds? [[Special:Contributions/217.43.54.108|217.43.54.108]] 13:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Sorry for not specifying this in the comment above, but this is NIWA related. [[Special:Contributions/217.43.54.108|217.43.54.108]] 15:36, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Hadn't seen this earler, alright. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 15:57, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Rename to Boo4761 == | |||
Boo4761 is my username on the MarioWiki, can you rename me? --[[User:Lynx Canadensis|Lynx Canadensis]] ([[User talk:Lynx Canadensis|talk]]) 18:00, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:As is usual, post here again in a day or two, just to ensure you mean it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 18:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Meteor Smashes in SSB4 == | |||
I would totally make this page, but my computer has a time limit on it...I can definitely get the information needed for this page, but would you mind putting it into the wiki format? You don't have to say yes, but the fact that the page "[[List of meteor smashes (SSB4)]]" doesn't exist is kind of bothering me a little. But still, what say you? Would you like to work with me in creating a page? (I know, I may sound like a dork, but still.) [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 22:45, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I mean, sure, information would have to be collected at another time. It *is* pretty late already as it is. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 22:46, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Request for XL == | |||
There are some pages and images under [[:Category:Rosalina (SSB4)]] that need to be recategorized to [[:Category:Rosalina & Luma (SSB4)]]. Can XL do it? Thanks in advance. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:22, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I'm [[wikipedia:Nonviolent protest|not lifting a finger]] to help with any move of the sort. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Inconceivable 18:31, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::I understand. Well, thanks for the timely response! [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Unofficial move == | |||
Is there any particular reason that doing what I referred to as an "unofficial move" is unacceptable? It's the same result, all it was slightly more work and filling my clipboard temporarily. You just added more work onto it by undoing what I did and then doing it officially. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 13:26, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:It splits the page history. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 13:27, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Yeah, proper moves relocate the history as well, whereas just copy-pasting doesn't. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spark 13:28, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::...Hm, alright, I suppose. Somewhat unsatisfying, but at least I have some reason not to do it now. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 13:29, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Charging SFX for "serious" characters == | |||
I'm having trouble figuring out how to describe the new sound effect that's heard when a "serious" character (Mario, Link, Pac-Man, Ganondorf, etc.) charges his or her smash attacks other than with "dunking", which is a strange word to use since it mostly applies to things being submerged in water. Do you have any ideas? <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:58, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:It might not be strictly necessary to describe the sound in one word; perhaps just saying how it's different would be enough. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 00:15, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
=={{IP|Toomai is a dumbass}}== | |||
Block him whenever you get the chance. Also, think about archiving this soon; it's getting awfully large, isn't it? <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 16:56, 3 November 2014 (EST) | |||
:I keep wanting to archive, but people keep using it. :P [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 17:01, 3 November 2014 (EST) | |||
::It should be safe to archive now, but do it quickly before someone else edits it. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 17:04, 3 November 2014 (EST) | |||