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 Bump, if no farther comment is made, I'll readd the reception note, since no one refuted what Toomai stated. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:31, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
 :Again, it needs an external reference. That's the main problem. And pretexts like "widespread common knowledge" and "any citaion is already lost" won't get a free pass. --[[Special:Contributions/186.88.91.189|186.88.91.189]] 22:04, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
+::You should provide a reason why it needs an external reference. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:18, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
+:::The rationale is that it's a subjective opinion attributed to the majority. The problem is that it's been a long time since people have generally cared, so getting hard evidence either way is difficult. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Multifaceted 22:29, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
+::::It's either finding that hard evidence, or leaving out of the article that statement. And the reason why it needs an external reference is because, like ''all'' statements, it can be contested. And when something is contested, references are provided to back it up. And you know what? I have actually been looking through several sites, blogs and forums about this opinion that this event sucks (I mean, EVERY single thing from Brawl appears to suck, with nothing that redeems it, so it SHOULDN'T be difficult to find specifically that), and I haven't succeeded. You say it's because "it got lost" or "people stopped caring", but for me it's simpler than that: It's a made-up thing. Which, again, is why an external reference would help as it would prove that it's a real opinion. This is a wiki, Jesus Christ, you should know better. --[[Special:Contributions/186.88.91.189|186.88.91.189]] 23:54, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
+::::If it's been so long since anyone cared, why is it relevant to the article? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  00:23, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
+:::::"''I mean, EVERY single thing from Brawl appears to suck, with nothing that redeems it''"
+:::::Dude, did you not read what I said earlier about this? Cut it out with that passive-aggressive bullshit, it seems like you're just being whiny about people having criticism of Brawl, and are purposely trying to cut out Brawl criticism from the Wiki because you don't like people criticising your favorite game. It's getting difficult to treat you seriously, when you keep doing this shit. Also if you didn't notice, the ''vast majority'' of users on this Wiki prefer and play Brawl, so really, cut it out with the "you're all biased against Brawl" shit.
+:::::You want a citation? [http://smashboards.com/threads/events-arent-as-good-as-in-melee.171198/ Here you go]. The first post states "''WHAT A CRUMMY LAST EVENT!!!''", and the subsequent posts agree with it. You didn't search if you couldn't find that (all I did was type event 41 into Smashboard's search).
+:::::For another, I found this [http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii/928518-super-smash-bros-brawl/reviews/review-124160 review of Brawl], which specifically states the following:
+:::::"''Ditto for Event Mode in Brawl. Melee's event modes were unbelievably creative, whereas Brawl's events come off as very uninspired. On top of the number of events reduced from 51 to 41, most are either bad upgrades from their Melee counterparts, or just bad outright. In Melee, the final event was an always-fun fight against Giga Bowser, Mewtwo and Ganondorf. In Brawl, it's a fight against Giant Mario, and regular-sized Solid Snake and Sonic. It's Nintendo's "we think we're twice as big as everyone else" message more than a final fight, and the rest of the events aren't much better.''"
+:::::In my search, I seen nothing that said anything positive about Brawl events compared to Melee's. And I can certainly vouch that in my time in the community, the inferiority of Brawl events is a very common opinion (and like Toomai said, this is the "posterboy" for the claim).
+:::::Also, we're not Wikipedia, we are a very community driven Wiki that don't require citations on everything (especially when such a citation is usually impossible). And when multiple users that are far more involved with the Smash community than you and others can vouch that something is a common opinion within the community, in all likelihood it is. "CITATION, CITATION, STOP SAYING BRAWL SUCKS, CITATION!" does not refute that it's a common opinion.
+:::::"''If it's been so long since anyone cared, why is it relevant to the article?''"
+:::::That is completely irrelevant Anon, we cover things from a historical standpoint, and something fading from the present mindset does not mean we don't cover it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:03, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

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