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 Will Mario shoot up in the next list, shoot down, or stay the same? You Decide! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 13:57, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
+In conclusion, Mario has rised placement wise and lowered Tier wise. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 20:51, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
+:Pointless to edit a forum this old. We also saw that so you don't have to inform us.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 21:44, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
 ==Mario might shoot up in the next list==
 I think Mario might move to high tier at the very most but I think he's gonna move a few spaces higher since Scorpion Master got 2nd place with Mario. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c0Fg1-INNs|Watch This!][[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 13:57, July 22, 2010 (UTC)  <span style="color:red">'''--User was warned for this post'''</span>
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 Ok, so once again, S Master won GSG and has dominated with the Super Mario we know. So I think in conclusion, Mario is gonna rise up to high tier! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 01:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 :One tournament will not make a character rise to high tier that easily.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 01:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+::No, it's actually 2 tournaments Mario has won in, 1 in 2nd place and another in 1st place. Plus note that S Master beat M2K and surprised many ppl at GSG. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 15:16, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+:::2nd place isn't winning.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 15:23, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+::::But its close to winning and for an almost low tier character, thats really good. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 19:02, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+:::::Then you are inherently saying that Mario is ''not'' going to rise in the next list.  If it is considered really good that a character played by the best player at that character in the world wins and comes in second in two local tourneys then that character probably is low tier and is just being played really well by a single good player in a mid level competition.  Look at Gimpy with Bowser for comparison.  If Scorpion Master continues to play this way at larger, higher level tourneys and other players begin using Mario, then we might see some shift.  But it is ludicrous to say that because someone gets two top two finishes with a character that the character is automatically high tier.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 19:28, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+::::::Come on Hawk, give this plumber a chance to show what he is made of! And also, he was a high tier before, so once a high tier, '''ALWAYS A HIGH TIER!!!!!''' [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 19:46, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+:::::::I am giving him a chance, I'm just saying he hasn't showed it yet.  And, the second part of you're statement is hardly any kind of argument.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 23:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+::::::::'''HE DID SHOW IT, CHECK HIS VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE!!!!!''' [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 23:59, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
+:::::::::I watched the videos.  Again, this is one player playing very well in a local tourney (and, yes, an impressive friendlies win), but that alone is not enough for a character to leap to the high tiers.  Mario might move up a place or too, but for a character to rise, they need more than simply a very good player.  That player needs to develop a better metagame for the character that changes the match-ups for the character.  See Ken with Marth and Wobbles with the ICs.  Maybe Scorpion Master will get it there, but he'll have to show it at higher level competition than local tourneys for it to alter the metagame.  Right now, we have a very impressive Mario player, but Gimpy was an incredible Bowser player and even he maintained that Bowser was low tier.  Also, stop shouting.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:09, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+::::::::::So your basically saying that Mario has no chance of becoming high tier again?! Thats stupid! Mario should have a chance to dominate Melee! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 00:15, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+:::::::::::No, I said there would need to be a metagame changing new strategy with Mario for him to rocket back up the tier list like you are saying.  I'm not seeing that right now.  If it happens, then by all means Mario ''should'' move back up, just like what happened with the Ice Climbers when Wobbling was discovered, or Marth when Ken's strategy became a part of the metagame.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:20, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+::::::::::::Wait, did any1 discover boost grabing in Melee? [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 00:34, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+:::::::::::::And this has what to do with what?  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:55, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+:If I discovered it, then Marth goes lower and Fox, Falco, and Sheik go higher! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 01:00, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+::How the hell would Fox go higher? His score may improve, but I'm pretty sure he cant move up. <font face="sand" color="silver">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> [[file:dp99.png]] 01:03, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+::::<small>(edit confict)</small>@Doc:  What the heck are you talking about?  Discovering a technique means ''nothing'' if you don't win big time tourneys with it and have it alter the metagame.  I documented (maybe, but probably not, discovered) [[spring canceling]], which has certain uses for Sonic or certain characters playing against Sonic, but it isn't what shifted the metagame for Sonic to move up in the tier list.  Just the technique existing is meaningless, unless it is empirically shown to contribute to tournament success.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 01:10, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
+:::Well, he could move into his own tier or something. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 01:06, August 1, 2010 (UTC)