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I really don't think this page is a good idea. First, what constitutes a "professional"? Whomever any editor thinks should be listed here? And once we've started listing "professionals", where do we stop? Do we list everyone who's ever played that character with any semblence of skill? Why is Pictish Freak listed here when said he quit over a year ago? Same with Masashi, who only plays for fun anymore (which sorta goes against the standard definition of "professional").

There is a new tier list, should this all follow the order it goes in now?[[User:Iggy K|Iggy K]] 07:18, August 7, 2006 (GMT)

These aren't the same player????  The romanization of the japanese spelling of Kirby is kaabii.

*headdesk*  Yeah, you're right man.  Hoshikabi = HoshinoKirby.  Good call there :)  *is an idjot*

There is a thing somebody can do to make it look more wikified, but it's a pain in the @$$. It is doing the following:

get what I mean? Then plz, fix it. I'm too lazy myself. [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 11:23, November 12, 2006 (GMT)

[[User:AltAcnt|Janitor]] 8:59, May 7, 2007 (GMT)

[[User:AltAcnt|Kefka]] 12:41, May 8, 2007

:: I think that we definitely need a definition of a Pro Smasher. However either with or without one, this page remains obselete, and in fact, ugly and unappealing. We already have [[:Category:Pros]], and these two pages have few similarities. I think this page should be done away with, while the Back Room takes up the issue in the meantime. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 01:04, December 5, 2006 (GMT)

==Clean up!==

:::We could do subcategories for the character specific pros, like [[:Category:Ice Climbers Pros]]. Then if enough people thought that region is important enough, we could also do things like [[:Category:NorCal Pros]] or [[:Category:Europe Pros]]. These would be subcategories of [[:Category:Pros]], that way everything would be automatically updated with the addition of new pros.

::::I like the idea that the guy above said.  It's sounds simple and clean.--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 21:51, December 17, 2006 (GMT)

:::::I think the idea sounds anything BUT simple and clean. We'll have too many categorys for a single article. Which, although by Wikipedia standards, is not out of the ordinary, I just think it's very messy and can be difficult due to the fact that actually finding the category themselves can be quite a task in itself. So I object it, but I don't deny it. Majority rules. Now, if it WERE to be put into play, would there also be a [[:Category:SoCal Smasher]] as well as [[:Category:SoCal Pros]]? [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 22:03, December 17, 2006 (GMT)

::::::Regional Smasher pages wouldn't be necessary, because when looking at representatives from a region, you would not want to find the dregs, but the stars. If done, we would probably begin with the most notable areas, i.e., Japan, NorCal, SoCal. One problem I see is of sub-regions. Would we do Pacific West along with SoCal/NorCal? What of the US as a whole? We could either exclude some of these, or make all of them and just have some players in multiple regions, such as [[Ken]], who would be in both Pacific West and SoCal. I suggest that we do all notable regions. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 23:24, December 17, 2006 (GMT)

Before anything else, we need to determine what exactly is a pro. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 22:05, December 17, 2006 (GMT)

::I feel that the question is EXCLUSIVELY up to the Back Room. Too bad I'm not in it... -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 23:24, December 17, 2006 (GMT)

::: Neither am I.  A bit of an impediment, isn't it?  Somebody in the Broom should request help for SmashWiki!  It would be quite helpful if the Broom adopted SmashWiki as one of its main projects.  How much else do they do there, anyways?  They only make a tier list once a year, these days. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 00:22, December 18, 2006 (GMT)

::::Oh, and in response to Simna, the BRoom said it would be looking for members this fall. I guess they have two days to make a topic and choose a bunch of inductees.  But I'm getting off-topic. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 15:11, December 18, 2006 (GMT)

:::::I agree with removing the Pro pages for Famous Player pages...its probably the safest thing to do as there will be much less fuss over who is famous than who is pro.--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 22:20, December 18, 2006 (GMT)

::::::What then would constitute famous players, then? Must they be known worldwide, or regional? And does anyone have ideas for a more appealing title for that? Sounds a little boring, doesn't it? -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 00:01, December 19, 2006 (GMT)

:Title is the least of out concerns for the moment, Del. And I believe the famous shouldn't refer through out a place (be it globally, regional, ect), but rather well known through out a Smash Community, such as Gamefaqs or SWF. And then picking only 50 most important hardly seems like an enyclopediac issue. It should be a constant update as to who is in, and who isn't. But that brings up the classic problem "who is famous" rather than "who is pro". [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 00:44, December 19, 2006 (GMT)

::Those players who are definite pros(like those on the US Power Rankings) should fall into the famous category automatically.  Others could include all of DBR whose combo vids are widely famous, Nealdt for the creation of his Tio program, BACH for his famed camera coverage, players known for character specific fame, superdoodleman for his works with AR and frame data, and more(these are just examples)--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 10:08, December 19, 2006 (GMT)

:::Would you include regional rankings as well?

:::: That brings up the smaller subregions issue. I mean, my home region of North Dakota doesn't currently have a ranking list, though PFKS10 could assemble one for the Dakotas. That's a topic for another day, however. Point is: not all smasher live in ranked regions. You can't just do that, but on the global scale, it's all fair game. Simna: You don't give yourself enough credit, you'd naturally be on that last for the GSC. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 16:47, December 19, 2006 (GMT)

I also have some comments. See [[#Pain in the @$$]]. &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 15:57, January 4, 2007 (GMT)

OK, we've all just sort of batted these ideas around for a while, but I think it is time to act on them. Let's go ahead and do both the Famous Players category and the Character Pros categories. What exactly should we name the famous players page? There are some famous community members who don't actively play, many of whom are famous for things outside of but related to Smash, such as [[Gideon]], [[nealdt]], [[ZodiakLucien]], [[SuperDoodleMan]]. "Famous Players" doesn't address that. I'll start on taking this page and splitting up the players on it into their respective Character Pro pages. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 23:52, January 15, 2007 (GMT)

:Not sure if anyone's noticed, but I've started the [[:Category:Character Specific Professionals]] category and subcategories. I'm not limiting it to skill of the player, instead I'm focusing on how skilled they are when compared to other players of the same character. For this reason players like [[Kawn]], [[DRGN]],[[Mexican]], and [[Azn_Lep]] will be included. So far I have done Bowser, CF, DK, Yoshi, Young Link, and Zelda. Let me know what you guys think. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 00:05, January 23, 2007 (GMT)

::Compared to other non-casual players(players that use advanced technique) of the same characters, DRGN, SideFX, Choknater, and yourself will have a very hard time justifying being in any pro list even a character specific ones.  While I can't monitor who goes in to these categories completely because I don't know all of them personally, but I do know those players I mentioned and I can safely say that they are not prepared for pro status even if that is just in comparison to other non-casual players of the same character.--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 06:24, January 31, 2007 (GMT)

:::Are you taking into account what I've said about how they advance their character's metagame? DRGN is probably the best example of this, because so few players actually use a variety of Zelda's attacks. Some players have said that DRGN surpasses Kawn in that respect (but not altogether skill). If you took this into account I'll accept your revision. And for the record I think DRGN is the most qualified of the ones you removed. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 01:10, February 1, 2007 (GMT)

Kay well, i just fixed the page a little bit...i didn't really like how the list looked before. It's just temporary until actually clean up is done. -- [[User:Janitor|Janitor]] 10:17, May 20, 2007 (GMT)

I would like to believe that the wheels upon which the Smash community turns are being driven by the community members themselves. As willing contributors to this wiki (a utility practically built for special interest knowledge compilation), we do have the power of the International Standards Organization in our own little way. The terminology and definitions used can be decided and implemented ''by'' us and ''for'' everyone who's too lazy to do it themselves. If and when this wiki "officially" opens up to the public with a steady stream of supporters and advertising, I see no reason that it shouldn't be the one-stop standard source for all competitive Smash-related information. And if we're the ones setting the standards, that means they can be changed, too.  

[[Neptune Eclipse]] is a legitimately professional Pikachu main, but doesn't seem to compete under that name anymore. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> ^{''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''} 23:02, November 22, 2007 (EST)

Either need to convert the ex-templates to tabling, or need to unprotect for just a minute or two while someone else does it. =) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]</span>) 04:41, February 3, 2008 (EST)

I think the definition currently posted is rather general. Does this mean anyone who makes money from tournaments is considered a professional? I know it is rather general because of there being no complete league for SSBM/SSBB as there may be with Warcraft III and Quake III, etc. Perhaps we should reserve pro for the top players that make large sums of money and amateur for players who make small amounts of money?

EndOfSummer, I took out "Cort" and the rest of the smashers who you said were pros because they weren't considered [[SW:NOTE|notable]] enough. In fact, Cort's page got deleted after some time, [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Smasher:Cort see here]. I took out all of those Smashers because their own pages were all deleted at some point, and I decided to do some housekeeping. You can argue if you want that Cort is notable, but unless you have something that is considered notable by the policy I linked to above, I'm afraid that Cort will stay deleted and off the "Professionals" page. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 20:08, December 10, 2009 (UTC)