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:Legitimate reasons — it's unfortunate that [[template:d]] doesn't get a fair bit more use, as that's usually how most of the deletions can be handled on a wiki of this size. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 17:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | :Legitimate reasons — it's unfortunate that [[template:d]] doesn't get a fair bit more use, as that's usually how most of the deletions can be handled on a wiki of this size. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 17:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I know this is a fairly old page, but I agree. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Am I the only one who thinks that the "To the nominator" and "To all users" notes don't really reflect the way things are generally done around here? Most of the time, it is possible to present a legitimate reason in a sufficiently concise matter that posting a separate rationale on the talk page isn't really necessary unless someone comes along and challenges the tag. Besides which, I don't think I've ever seen a tag that at least had a semi-legitimate reason removed simply because the nominator hadn't posted on the talk page. So does someone wanna tell me why those addendum are necessary? – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | Am I the only one who thinks that the "To the nominator" and "To all users" notes don't really reflect the way things are generally done around here? Most of the time, it is possible to present a legitimate reason in a sufficiently concise matter that posting a separate rationale on the talk page isn't really necessary unless someone comes along and challenges the tag. Besides which, I don't think I've ever seen a tag that at least had a semi-legitimate reason removed simply because the nominator hadn't posted on the talk page. So does someone wanna tell me why those addendum are necessary? – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Those addenda (it's a neuter 2nd declension noun in Latin: don't judge me for knowing that!) are necessary. The idea of the tag is to highlight a page as possibly being unnecessary, whereas the Talkpage is for discussion of the article, not only of its content but of its merit in the first place. The current system makes it too easy for people to add delete tags to pages, then justify the delete in one word on the tag. Instead, a talk page should be used to put forward arguments for and against the deletion, followed by a voting process. | |||
:The same does not apply to speedy delete tags, as most of the pages that are nominated for speedy deletion don't have a talkpage and aren't the sort of pages that it's worth creating one for, and the reason for deletion is so obvious that no discussion is required. That is, unless a user believes the page has some merit, in which case they can replace the speedy delete tag with a normal delete tag, start a discussion page and argue the article's case. | |||
:Last time I answered one of you questions I ended up writing reams... I fear this is fast becoming a habit... '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||