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==Across all ''Smash'' games==
==Across all ''Smash'' games==
{{Sm|Mew2King}} is often considered the greatest player across all ''Smash'' titles due to his success in multiple ''Smash'' titles. Mew2King is recognized as the greatest ''Brawl'' player of all time, one of the best ''Melee'' players of all-time, and a strong ''Project M'' and ''Smash 4'' player, having placed top eight at many major tournaments. Mew2King is well known for his enjoyment of every ''Smash'' title and is one of the only top players who has spent their career competing in multiple games at once; since 2008, he has simultaneously played ''Melee'' and the newest ''Smash'' game at the time: ''Brawl'' from 2008-2014, ''Smash 4'' from 2014-2018, and ''Ultimate'' since 2018, in addition to ''Project M'' from 2014-2015. Mew2King is also perhaps the most recognized player across the entire competitive ''Super Smash Bros.'' scene.
{{Sm|Mew2King}} is often considered the greatest player across all ''Smash'' titles due to his success in multiple ''Smash'' titles. Mew2King is recognized as the greatest ''Brawl'' player of all time, one of the best ''Melee'' players of all time, and a strong ''Project M'' and ''Smash 4'' player, having placed top eight at many major tournaments. Mew2King is well known for his enjoyment of every ''Smash'' title and is one of the only top players who has spent their career competing in multiple games at once; since 2008, he has simultaneously played ''Melee'' and the newest ''Smash'' game at the time: ''Brawl'' from 2008-2014, ''Smash 4'' from 2014-2018, and ''Ultimate'' since 2018, in addition to ''Project M'' from 2014-2015. Mew2King is also perhaps the most recognized player across the entire competitive ''Super Smash Bros.'' scene.


The tournament series {{Trn|Super Smash Con|series}} has run an exhibition event called "Smash Masters", in which players compete against each other across all official ''Smash'' titles, in an attempt to determine the best overall ''Smash'' player. Mew2King won Smash Masters in 2016 and 2018, {{Sm|Wizzrobe}} won in 2017, and {{Sm|ZeRo}} won in 2019.
The tournament series {{Trn|Super Smash Con|series}} has run an exhibition event called "Smash Masters", in which players compete against each other across all official ''Smash'' titles, in an attempt to determine the best overall ''Smash'' player. Mew2King won Smash Masters in 2016 and 2018, {{Sm|Wizzrobe}} won in 2017, and {{Sm|ZeRo}} won in 2019.
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Mew2King has spent more time than any other player at the top of competition. He has been considered a top 6 player in the world for 13 years straight, longer than anyone else, from 2006 all the way to 2018, while arguably being top 10 in 2019. In 2007, Mew2King was widely considered the best ''Melee'' player in the world, being the only player that year to win more than one major tournament. Mew2King has also remained as a contender to win major tournaments in the following years, winning several major tournaments in 2013-2014, and 2016-2018, including {{Trn|The Big House 3}}, {{Trn|Shine 2016}}, and {{Trn|Smash Summit 6}}. He has largely been credited for advancing the Marth and Sheik metagame to where they are nowadays, being the best Marth player in the world from 2007-2013 and 2015-2018, and the best Sheik player from 2008-2017. However, Mew2King has since failed to replicate his success since 2007, as after getting challenged by Mango for the #1 spot in 2008, Mew2King has never been considered top 2 in the world since, peaking at #3 on the 2013 SSBMRank. He has also spent the shortest time out of everyone as the best player in the world, only from 2007 to arguably 2008.
Mew2King has spent more time than any other player at the top of competition. He has been considered a top 6 player in the world for 13 years straight, longer than anyone else, from 2006 all the way to 2018, while arguably being top 10 in 2019. In 2007, Mew2King was widely considered the best ''Melee'' player in the world, being the only player that year to win more than one major tournament. Mew2King has also remained as a contender to win major tournaments in the following years, winning several major tournaments in 2013-2014, and 2016-2018, including {{Trn|The Big House 3}}, {{Trn|Shine 2016}}, and {{Trn|Smash Summit 6}}. He has largely been credited for advancing the Marth and Sheik metagame to where they are nowadays, being the best Marth player in the world from 2007-2013 and 2015-2018, and the best Sheik player from 2008-2017. However, Mew2King has since failed to replicate his success since 2007, as after getting challenged by Mango for the #1 spot in 2008, Mew2King has never been considered top 2 in the world since, peaking at #3 on the 2013 SSBMRank. He has also spent the shortest time out of everyone as the best player in the world, only from 2007 to arguably 2008.


Compared to Ken and Mew2King, Hungrybox possesses the strongest argument. Hungrybox has been considered a top-five player from 2009 until 2022, remaining a staple of the top 10 afterward, and was seen as the undisputed best player from 2017 to 2019. Additionally, he holds the record for the most major wins overall, with Mango tailing at second. Among his major titles is a victory at {{Trn|EVO 2016}}, the [[List of largest Smash tournaments|largest ''Melee'' tournament of all time]]. His {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} has been responsible for major developments in the ''Melee'' metagame; his dominance caused many to start seeing Jigglypuff as potentially the best character in the game, and many players, most notably Armada, developed secondary characters specifically in an attempt to counter him. On top of this, Hungrybox has also maintained an unparalleled level of consistency at major tournaments, possessing a streak of finishing in the top 8 of every major he attended for nearly 10 years, a statistic rivaled only by Armada, who's only non-top 8 major placement occurred at {{Trn|Enthusiast Gaming Live Expo}} at 17th. However, Hungrybox's reign as a consistent first-place finisher has been relatively short compared to that of Mango or Armada, and his lowest level of play has also been below them; most notably from {{Trn|Apex 2010}} to {{Trn|Paragon Orlando 2015}}, he went nearly five years without placing 1st at a major title. It is often theorized that Hungrybox could become the greatest of all time if he continues to dominate the ''Melee'' scene after several more years of competition; however, this has became increasingly unlikely as he had struggled to win a major since {{Trn|Riptide 2022}}.
Compared to Ken and Mew2King, Hungrybox possesses the strongest argument. Hungrybox has been considered a top-five player from 2009 until 2022, remaining a staple of the top 10 afterward, and was ranked as the number one player from 2017 to 2019. Additionally, he holds the record for the most major wins overall, with Mango tailing at second. Among his major titles is a victory at {{Trn|EVO 2016}}, the [[List of largest Smash tournaments|largest ''Melee'' tournament of all time]]. His {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} has been responsible for major developments in the ''Melee'' metagame; his dominance caused many to start seeing Jigglypuff as potentially the best character in the game, and many players, most notably Armada, developed secondary characters specifically in an attempt to counter him. On top of this, Hungrybox has also maintained an unparalleled level of consistency at major tournaments, possessing a streak of finishing in the top 8 of every major he attended for nearly 10 years, a statistic rivaled only by Armada, who's only non-top 8 major placement occurred at {{Trn|Enthusiast Gaming Live Expo}} at 17th. However, Hungrybox's reign as a consistent first-place finisher has been relatively short compared to that of Mango or Armada, and his lowest level of play has also been below them; most notably from {{Trn|Apex 2010}} to {{Trn|Paragon Orlando 2015}}, he went nearly five years without placing 1st at a major title. It is often theorized that Hungrybox could become the greatest of all time if he continues to dominate the ''Melee'' scene after several more years of competition; however, this has became increasingly unlikely as he had struggled to win a major since {{Trn|Riptide 2022}}.


The debate between Armada and Mango is still contested to the present day: though Armada was ranked first on the first three all-time lists, Mango was ranked first on the most recent list released in 2021.
The debate between Armada and Mango is still contested to the present day: though Armada was ranked first on the first three all-time lists, Mango was ranked first on the most recent list released in 2021.
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==In ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''==
==In ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''==
{{Sm|MkLeo}} is considered the undisputed greatest ''Ultimate'' player of all time due to his longtime dominance on the scene, ranking first in the offline metagame from 2019 to 2022 and having a streak of finishing top 2 at every offline event he attended from {{Trn|MomoCon 2019}} to the {{Trn|Smash World Tour 2021 Championships}} in 2021. He also possesses the most supermajor wins (17) and until {{Trn|DELTA 9}} in 2024 possessed the most major wins overall (24) compared to all other players.
{{Sm|MkLeo}} is considered the undisputed greatest ''Ultimate'' player of all time due to his longtime dominance on the scene, ranking first in the offline metagame from 2019 to 2022 and having a streak of finishing top 2 at every offline event he attended from {{Trn|MomoCon 2019}} to the {{Trn|Smash World Tour 2021 Championships}} in 2021. He also possesses the most supermajor wins (17) and had the most amount of major wins overall until {{Sm|Miya|p=Honshu}} won {{Trn|Sumabato SP 55}} on January 19th, 2025.


==In ''Project M''==
==In ''Project M''==
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*[https://pikachu942.blog/2019/02/14/all-time-melee-top-100-one-year-later/ All-Time Melee Top 100: One Year Later]
*[https://pikachu942.blog/2019/02/14/all-time-melee-top-100-one-year-later/ All-Time Melee Top 100: One Year Later]
*[https://pikachu942.blog/2020/03/31/all-time-melee-top-100-another-year/ All-Time Melee Top 100: Another Year]
*[https://pikachu942.blog/2020/03/31/all-time-melee-top-100-another-year/ All-Time Melee Top 100: Another Year]
*[https://www.pgstats.com/articles/the-melee-stats-top-100-the-top-10| The Melee Stats Top 100 (2021)]
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