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However, these strengths are eclipsed by a slew of significant flaws. Ganondorf's overall mobility and frame data are among the slowest, if not the slowest in the game, with even {{SSBB|King Dedede}} just barely beating him. His [[recovery]] is possibly his biggest flaw, being one of the worst recoveries in ''Brawl''; he has the third-lowest double [[jump]] in the game, [[Flame Choke]] covers minimal horizontal distance and is easily edge-guarded due to its slow speed and lack of protection, and aerial [[Wizard's Foot]] no longer restores his double jump. In particular, [[Dark Dive]] is likewise slow, and its newly added hitbox at the move's climax is not sufficient enough to defend from edge-guarding, while it has also lost all of its KO power and now only KOs past the [[Sudden Death]] range (300%), and has so little hitstun that opponents can hit Ganondorf out of it as soon as the move completes. Nerfs to his useful chain-grab options and his overall moveset from ''Melee'', along with the changes to [[hitstun]] severely weakened his KO and combo ability. Additionally, many of his moves either have large sourspots, poor [[reach]] for a character of his size, inconveniently placed [[hitbox]]es, or cannot KO at realistic percentages (like his aforementioned [[Dark Dive]]), invalidating his would-be impressive attack power. Also, the loss of [[L-cancelling]] has harmed him far more than any other character in ''Brawl'', as he is no longer able to safely use his powerful, yet laggy aerials in many situations. In addition, his [[grab]] is not only slow, but also the shortest-reaching grab in the series, which compounds with his slow attacks to give him poor [[out of shield]] options. While his great weight gives him respectable endurance, this is offset by his exploitable recovery, and it also makes him susceptible to [[chain grabs]] and combos (with a few being capable of [[zero-death]]ing him outright). Plus, his shield is unusually small, making it vulnerable to [[shield stab]]bing, similar to {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}}. Finally, his lack of any projectile makes him easily [[camping|camped]] and leaves him with little in the way of approach options or ways ability to force approaches. | However, these strengths are eclipsed by a slew of significant flaws. Ganondorf's overall mobility and frame data are among the slowest, if not the slowest in the game, with even {{SSBB|King Dedede}} just barely beating him. His [[recovery]] is possibly his biggest flaw, being one of the worst recoveries in ''Brawl''; he has the third-lowest double [[jump]] in the game, [[Flame Choke]] covers minimal horizontal distance and is easily edge-guarded due to its slow speed and lack of protection, and aerial [[Wizard's Foot]] no longer restores his double jump. In particular, [[Dark Dive]] is likewise slow, and its newly added hitbox at the move's climax is not sufficient enough to defend from edge-guarding, while it has also lost all of its KO power and now only KOs past the [[Sudden Death]] range (300%), and has so little hitstun that opponents can hit Ganondorf out of it as soon as the move completes. Nerfs to his useful chain-grab options and his overall moveset from ''Melee'', along with the changes to [[hitstun]] severely weakened his KO and combo ability. Additionally, many of his moves either have large sourspots, poor [[reach]] for a character of his size, inconveniently placed [[hitbox]]es, or cannot KO at realistic percentages (like his aforementioned [[Dark Dive]]), invalidating his would-be impressive attack power. Also, the loss of [[L-cancelling]] has harmed him far more than any other character in ''Brawl'', as he is no longer able to safely use his powerful, yet laggy aerials in many situations. In addition, his [[grab]] is not only slow, but also the shortest-reaching grab in the series, which compounds with his slow attacks to give him poor [[out of shield]] options. While his great weight gives him respectable endurance, this is offset by his exploitable recovery, and it also makes him susceptible to [[chain grabs]] and combos (with a few being capable of [[zero-death]]ing him outright). Plus, his shield is unusually small, making it vulnerable to [[shield stab]]bing, similar to {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}}. Finally, his lack of any projectile makes him easily [[camping|camped]] and leaves him with little in the way of approach options or ways ability to force approaches. | ||
As a result, Ganondorf has had the third-highest tier drop from ''Melee'' to ''Brawl'' (behind {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} and {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} for the second-highest and highest, respectively), with terrible tournament results and | As a result, Ganondorf has had the third-highest tier drop from ''Melee'' to ''Brawl'' (behind {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} and {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} for the second-highest and highest, respectively), with terrible tournament results and awful matchups against nearly the entire cast, although Japan has a slightly better opinion on Ganondorf, ranking him 31st. Nevertheless, most players consider ''Brawl'' Ganondorf to be the worst character in all of ''Smash''. | ||
==How to unlock== | ==How to unlock== | ||
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Ganondorf's overall moveset has received an overhaul from ''Melee''. While he still shares some moves from {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}}, he has received different animations and moves that now make him a semi-clone rather than a full clone. | Ganondorf's overall moveset has received an overhaul from ''Melee''. While he still shares some moves from {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}}, he has received different animations and moves that now make him a semi-clone rather than a full clone. | ||
Despite being a low-mid tier in Melee while also receiving some good buffs, Ganondorf was | Despite being a low-mid tier in Melee while also receiving some good buffs, Ganondorf was heavily [[nerf]]ed from ''Melee'', being one of the most nerfed characters in the transition alongside {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}. His already slow mobility has been weakened, and some of his moves have less [[reach]] (despite his tall stature), leaving him very easily out-maneuvered and vulnerable from all sides. His comboing and KOing ability also have been severely crippled: his grabs can no longer [[chain throw]] nor set up effectively as before; and his great power has been toned down to being only slightly above-average, due to his moves either being drastically weakened to the point where they cannot K.O. even at 200% or have received extremely large [[sourspot]]s that cannot KO reliably, most notably his forward aerial, the crux of his metagame in ''Melee''. Finally, his already poor recovery was significantly weakened to be among the worst, with his main recovery move ([[Dark Dive]]) being completely unsafe on hit. | ||
On the other hand, he did receive a few notable buffs. His [[air speed]] is much faster (although still among the slowest), his forward tilt now [[semi-spike]]s and is effective against enemies with weak recoveries, his up and down tilts have significantly improved range, and he now has the highest damaging forward throw in the game. [[Warlock Punch]] and aerial [[Wizard's Foot]] are much stronger, and [[Dark Dive]] now has a hitbox at the move's climax that provides decent protection against edgeguarders, along with being able to grab ledge-hangers. Arguably the biggest buff he received is a new side special, [[Flame Choke]], which gives Ganondorf a combo starter and tech-chasing move. However, none of these are significant enough to counterbalance the nerfs he had received, while most of these moves were also nerfed as well. | On the other hand, he did receive a few notable buffs. His [[air speed]] is much faster (although still among the slowest), his forward tilt now [[semi-spike]]s and is effective against enemies with weak recoveries, his up and down tilts have significantly improved range, and he now has the highest damaging forward throw in the game. [[Warlock Punch]] and aerial [[Wizard's Foot]] are much stronger, and [[Dark Dive]] now has a hitbox at the move's climax that provides decent protection against edgeguarders, along with being able to grab ledge-hangers. Arguably the biggest buff he received is a new side special, [[Flame Choke]], which gives Ganondorf a combo starter and tech-chasing move. However, none of these are significant enough to counterbalance the nerfs he had received, while most of these moves were also nerfed as well. | ||
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==Moveset== | ==Moveset== | ||
''For a gallery of Ganondorf's hitboxes, see [[Ganondorf (SSBB)/Hitboxes|here]].'' | |||
{{MovesetTable | {{MovesetTable | ||
|game=SSBB | |game=SSBB | ||
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|djump = ? | |djump = ? | ||
|rdjump = ? | |rdjump = ? | ||
|ellag = 4 | |||
|rellag = 30-37 | |||
}} | }} | ||
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===[[On-screen appearance]]=== | ===[[On-screen appearance]]=== | ||
{{Appearance | {{Appearance | ||
|desc=Emerges from a portal of dark magic. | |desc=Emerges from a portal of dark magic. Based on how {{iw|zeldawiki|Phantom Ganon}} emerges from similar dark portals in his boss fight in ''Ocarina of Time''. | ||
|char=Ganondorf | |char=Ganondorf | ||
|game=SSBB}} | |game=SSBB}} | ||
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===[[Crowd cheer]]=== | ===[[Crowd cheer]]=== | ||
{{ | {| class="wikitable" | ||
| | |- | ||
| | !{{{name|}}} | ||
| | !Cheer (English) | ||
| | !Cheer (Japanese) | ||
| | !Cheer (German) | ||
| | !Cheer (Korean) | ||
|- | |||
! scope="row"|Cheer | |||
|[[File:Ganondorf Cheer English SSBB.ogg|center]]||[[File:Ganondorf Cheer Japanese SSBB.ogg|center]]||[[File:Ganondorf Cheer German SSBB.ogg|center]]||rowspan="4"|[[File:Ganondorf Cheer Korean SSBB.ogg|center]] | |||
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! scope="row"|Description | |||
|Gan - on - dorf! || Gan - on - dorf! || Ga - non - dorf! | |||
|- | |||
!{{{name|}}} | |||
!Cheer (French) | |||
!Cheer (Italian) | |||
!Cheer (Spanish) | |||
|- | |||
! scope="row"|Cheer | |||
|[[File:Ganondorf Cheer French SSBB.ogg|center]]||[[File:Ganondorf Cheer Italian SSBB.ogg|center]]||[[File:Ganondorf Cheer Spanish SSBB.ogg|center]] | |||
|- | |||
! scope="row"|Description | |||
|Ga - non - dorf ! || Ga - non - dorf! || Ganondorf! || Ganooon - dorf! | |||
|} | |||
===[[Victory pose]]s=== | ===[[Victory pose]]s=== | ||
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===Tier placement and history=== | ===Tier placement and history=== | ||
Ganondorf initially was not seen as the worst character, being ranked above {{SSBB|Link}} and {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} on the first tier list, and was still ranked above Captain Falcon on the second tier list. From the third tier list on however, Ganondorf was consistently ranked the worst character, and on the fifth tier list, was considered to be so much worse than everyone else he was ranked in his own tier at the absolute bottom. Despite his reputation as the worst character, he had a dedicated playerbase that achieved better tournament success than most other bottom/low tier characters (however minor it was). A player named {{Sm|Fonz}} even once won [http://www.smashboards.com/threads/go-kakuto-geemu-results.305979/#post-12926734 a legitimate tournament] using Ganondorf (except for in one game), an accomplishment players of most other low/bottom tier characters have not been able to replicate. As such, with Ganondorf's better tournament success compared to most other low/bottom characters, there was some dispute near the end of ''Brawl'''s active life on if Ganondorf was actually the worst character in the game, with {{SSBB|Zelda}} and {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} frequently being cited as even worse. Interestingly, the [[Japanese tier list|Japanese]] do not consider Ganondorf the worst character, and actually have him listed above five other characters on their tier list. Despite | Ganondorf initially was not seen as the worst character, being ranked above {{SSBB|Link}} and {{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} on the first tier list, and was still ranked above Captain Falcon on the second tier list. From the third tier list on however, Ganondorf was consistently ranked the worst character, and on the fifth tier list, was considered to be so much worse than everyone else he was ranked in his own tier at the absolute bottom. Despite his reputation as the worst character, he had a dedicated playerbase that achieved better tournament success than most other bottom/low tier characters (however minor it was). A player named {{Sm|Fonz}} even once won [http://www.smashboards.com/threads/go-kakuto-geemu-results.305979/#post-12926734 a legitimate tournament] using Ganondorf (except for in one game), an accomplishment players of most other low/bottom tier characters have not been able to replicate. As such, with Ganondorf's better tournament success compared to most other low/bottom characters, there was some dispute near the end of ''Brawl'''s active life on if Ganondorf was actually the worst character in the game, with {{SSBB|Zelda}} and {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} frequently being cited as even worse. Interestingly, the [[Japanese tier list|Japanese]] do not consider Ganondorf the worst character, and actually have him listed above five other characters on their tier list. Despite arguments in favor of Ganon's punish game and his slightly superior results compared to other bottom tier characters, the BBR still considered him the worst character in their final tier list. | ||
==In Solo Modes== | |||
==={{SSBB|Classic Mode}}=== | |||
In Classic Mode, Ganondorf can appear as an opponent or ally in Stage 1 if he has been unlocked along with {{SSBB|Link}}, {{SSBB|Zelda}}/{{SSBB|Sheik}}, and {{SSBB|Toon Link}} on [[Bridge of Eldin]] or [[Pirate Ship]] (with the latter available if it has been unlocked). Ganondorf can also appear as an opponent in Stage 11, but only if he hasn't appeared in Stage 1. | |||
===[[All-Star Mode]]=== | |||
In All-Star Mode, Ganondorf is fought in Stage 6 alongside {{SSBB|Link}}, {{SSBB|Zelda}}/{{SSBB|Sheik}}, and {{SSBB|Toon Link}} on [[Bridge of Eldin]] or [[Pirate Ship]]. | |||
===[[Event Match]]es=== | |||
====Solo Events==== | |||
*'''[[Event 31: The Ultimate Bodyguard]]''': As {{SSBB|Marth}}, the player must defend {{SSBB|Zelda}} and defeat two Ganondorfs on [[Castle Siege]]. During the third background change, Zelda will transform into {{SSBB|Sheik}} and assist Marth. | |||
*'''[[Event 33: Advent of the Evil King]]''': As Ganondorf, the player must defeat {{SSBB|Link}}, {{SSBB|Zelda}} and {{SSBB|Pit}} on [[Temple]]. | |||
*'''[[Event 34: All-Star Battle Melee]]''': Ganondorf is one of the opponents fought in this event. All opponents are newcomers from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''. | |||
*'''[[Event 40: The Final Battle]]''': The player selects any character and must defeat {{SSBB|Bowser}}, {{SSBB|King Dedede}}, and Ganondorf on {{SSBB|Final Destination}}. | |||
===Co-Op Events=== | |||
*'''[[Co-Op Event 13: Blades of the Quick and Mighty]]''': {{SSBB|Marth}} and {{SSBB|Ike}} must defeat {{SSBB|Link}}, {{SSBB|Meta Knight}}, and Ganondorf on [[Temple]]. | |||
*'''[[Co-Op Event 14: The Dark Guardians]]''': Ganondorf and {{SSBB|Wolf}}, who are tiny, must defeat a giant {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}} and a giant {{SSBB|Charizard}} on [[New Pork City]]. | |||
*'''[[Co-Op Event 20: The Final Battle for Two]]''': Both players select a character and must defeat {{SSBB|Bowser}}, {{SSBB|Wario}}, {{SSBB|King Dedede}}, {{SSBB|Wolf}}, {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} and Ganondorf on {{SSBB|Final Destination}}. | |||
*'''[[Co-Op Event 21: The True All-Star Battle]]''': Both players select a character and take on the entire roster on {{SSBB|Battlefield}}. | |||
==Role in [[ | ===[[Congratulations_screen#Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl|Congratulations Screens]]=== | ||
<center> | |||
<gallery> | |||
Ganondorf Classic Mode Congratulations Screen Brawl.png|Classic Mode | |||
Ganondorf Congratulations Screen All-Star Brawl.png|All-Star Mode | |||
</gallery> | |||
</center> | |||
==Role in [[The Subspace Emissary]]== | |||
[[File:Ganondorf (Resized).png|thumb|250px|Ganondorf in ''[[SSE]]''.]] | [[File:Ganondorf (Resized).png|thumb|250px|Ganondorf in ''[[SSE]]''.]] | ||
Ganondorf is one of the two secondary antagonists (under [[Tabuu]]) alongside {{SSBB|Bowser}} in the Subspace Emissary. | Ganondorf is one of the two secondary antagonists (under [[Tabuu]]) alongside {{SSBB|Bowser}} in the Subspace Emissary. | ||
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*Young Zelda (Minish Cap): [Battering] Resistance +16 | *Young Zelda (Minish Cap): [Battering] Resistance +16 | ||
*Zelda (Ocarina of Time): [Flame] Resistance +18 | *Zelda (Ocarina of Time): [Flame] Resistance +18 | ||
==[[Trophies]]== | ==[[Trophies]]== |
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