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However, Luigi still has several noticeable weaknesses. His overall mobility is sluggish, with his [[air speed]] being one of the slowest in the game. Luigi's pitifully slow air speed is an especially painful hindrance, as it makes him susceptible to [[juggling]]. Both of these weaknesses leave Luigi with a poor disadvantage state. Along with his only average grounded mobility at best, his ground game is also further brought down by his below average range, which, when combined with his aforementioned debilitating air speed and the lack of a reflector, makes it very difficult for him to fight against [[camping]]. In addition, Luigi's recovery, while long-distanced, is very predictable and linear, as [[Green Missile]] doesn't leave him [[helpless]] but only grants him horizontal distance with noticeable ending lag, while Super Jump Punch only travels straight upwards with no horizontal gain, and it also possesses very high landing lag, making him vulnerable to punishes if he fails to grab the ledge. Finally, Luigi Cyclone has lost all of its recovery and gimping potential, as the move's very high ending lag and reduced distance cause him to lose what little recovery distance he got before he can act, removing one of Luigi's strongest options off-stage. | However, Luigi still has several noticeable weaknesses. His overall mobility is sluggish, with his [[air speed]] being one of the slowest in the game. Luigi's pitifully slow air speed is an especially painful hindrance, as it makes him susceptible to [[juggling]]. Both of these weaknesses leave Luigi with a poor disadvantage state. Along with his only average grounded mobility at best, his ground game is also further brought down by his below average range, which, when combined with his aforementioned debilitating air speed and the lack of a reflector, makes it very difficult for him to fight against [[camping]]. In addition, Luigi's recovery, while long-distanced, is very predictable and linear, as [[Green Missile]] doesn't leave him [[helpless]] but only grants him horizontal distance with noticeable ending lag, while Super Jump Punch only travels straight upwards with no horizontal gain, and it also possesses very high landing lag, making him vulnerable to punishes if he fails to grab the ledge. Finally, Luigi Cyclone has lost all of its recovery and gimping potential, as the move's very high ending lag and reduced distance cause him to lose what little recovery distance he got before he can act, removing one of Luigi's strongest options off-stage. | ||
Overall, Luigi is a polarizing character who, in the right situation, can perform setups for quick and unexpected KOs, but on the other hand, his weaknesses can allow opponents to take advantage of his poor mobility and predictable recovery. Although the character’s representation early on was sub par due to his rather poor disadvantage, it has since improved noticeably as his strengths became more noticeable in the competitive scene, as a result, this has allowed him to foster a good-sized playerbase spearheaded by players such as {{Sm|Luugi}}, {{Sm|Raru}}, and, prior to his ban, {{Sm|Elegant}}. Due to his top notch advantage state | Overall, Luigi is a polarizing character who, in the right situation, can perform setups for quick and unexpected KOs, but on the other hand, his weaknesses can allow opponents to take advantage of his poor mobility and predictable recovery. Although the character’s representation early on was sub par due to his rather poor disadvantage, it has since improved noticeably as his strengths became more noticeable in the competitive scene, as a result, this has allowed him to foster a good-sized playerbase spearheaded by players such as {{Sm|Luugi}}, {{Sm|Raru}}, and, prior to his ban, {{Sm|Elegant}}. Due to his top notch advantage state, strong results from his players in major tournaments and Raru winning a few majors and supermajors, there have been calls to reevaluate Luigi’s current position on the tier list, with many saying that he should be ranked higher. | ||
==How to unlock== | ==How to unlock== | ||
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==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ||
Luigi has received some noticeable changes in his transition from ''SSB4'' to ''Ultimate'', with some altered animations and the introduction of the Poltergust G-00 to Luigi's moveset resulting in his moveset being further decloned from his brother {{SSBU|Mario}}. Collectively, these changes have resulted in a mix of buffs and nerfs for Luigi in the transition to ''Ultimate'', | Luigi has received some noticeable changes in his transition from ''SSB4'' to ''Ultimate'', with some altered animations and the introduction of the Poltergust G-00 to Luigi's moveset resulting in his moveset being further decloned from his brother {{SSBU|Mario}}. Collectively, these changes have resulted in a mix of buffs and nerfs for Luigi in the transition to ''Ultimate'', and while he was initially considered to be nerfed overall. He received numerous buffs and changes that improve his strengths and benefit him, but also suffered from a few major nerfs in both the transition and game updates. As a result, he was nerfed slightly overall. | ||
Luigi's direct nerfs have affected his playstyle quite noticeably. [[Luigi Cyclone]] travels much less vertical distance via [[button mash]]ing, removing all of its usefulness for [[recovery]], as even with very fast mashing, Luigi barely gets any additional distance at the end of the move. Alongside the addition of [[windbox]]es to it, this also removes its ability to [[gimp]] opponents and KO them at virtually any percentage if timed correctly, which was a crucial technique to his success in ''SSB4''. | Luigi's direct nerfs have affected his playstyle quite noticeably. [[Luigi Cyclone]] travels much less vertical distance via [[button mash]]ing, removing all of its usefulness for [[recovery]], as even with very fast mashing, Luigi barely gets any additional distance at the end of the move. Alongside the addition of [[windbox]]es to it, this also removes its ability to [[gimp]] opponents and KO them at virtually any percentage if timed correctly, which was a crucial technique to his success in ''SSB4''. His edgeguarding options are also more limited by the changes to his [[down smash]]'s front hit: as the front hit now launches opponents away from Luigi instead of towards him, it no longer leads into a [[stage spike]] on opponents that are grabbing the ledge, and while the lower angle for both hits is more favourable for KOing, this is at the cost of the first hit's versatility. | ||
In terms of indirect nerfs, the changes to [[air dodging]] have both helped and hindered Luigi, but hurt him overall: due to his floatiness, the reintroduction of directional air dodges allows him to use one for recovery in a pinch, but his air dodges have drastically more ending lag relative to the rest of the cast, thus making them more punishable, and recovery mix-ups with them are almost unfeasible due to the ability to only use one before landing. When combined with his [[air speed]] remaining the second worst in the game, as well as the severe distance nerf to Luigi Cyclone, his recovery is much more linear and easier to intercept, causing Luigi to become much more prone to [[edge-guarding]] and early offstage KOs, despite Super Jump Punch and fully charged Green Missile granting slightly more distance. | In terms of indirect nerfs, the changes to [[air dodging]] have both helped and hindered Luigi, but hurt him overall: due to his floatiness, the reintroduction of directional air dodges allows him to use one for recovery in a pinch, but his air dodges have drastically more ending lag relative to the rest of the cast, thus making them more punishable, and recovery mix-ups with them are almost unfeasible due to the ability to only use one before landing. When combined with his [[air speed]] remaining the second worst in the game, as well as the severe distance nerf to Luigi Cyclone, his recovery is much more linear and easier to intercept, causing Luigi to become much more prone to [[edge-guarding]] and early offstage KOs, despite Super Jump Punch and fully charged Green Missile granting slightly more distance. | ||
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Luigi received a mix of buffs, nerfs and glitch fixes via game updates, but was buffed slightly overall. Update {{SSBU|1.1.0}} decreased his up aerial's ending lag, which improved its combo potential and restored its ability to auto-cancel with a short hop like in ''SSB'' and ''Brawl''. Update {{SSBU|2.0.0}} granted Luigi a handful of buffs, with the most notable being a noticeable increase to [[Luigi Cyclone]]'s knockback. Thanks to this buff, Luigi Cyclone now functions as a reliable KO confirm from down throw at high percentages when used on platforms. | Luigi received a mix of buffs, nerfs and glitch fixes via game updates, but was buffed slightly overall. Update {{SSBU|1.1.0}} decreased his up aerial's ending lag, which improved its combo potential and restored its ability to auto-cancel with a short hop like in ''SSB'' and ''Brawl''. Update {{SSBU|2.0.0}} granted Luigi a handful of buffs, with the most notable being a noticeable increase to [[Luigi Cyclone]]'s knockback. Thanks to this buff, Luigi Cyclone now functions as a reliable KO confirm from down throw at high percentages when used on platforms. | ||
Aside from this, Luigi received a few quality of life buffs: his up smash's knockback was increased, [[Green Missile]]'s ending lag was decreased, and both his standing and pivot grabs gained 1 more active frame apiece. However, this update harmed Luigi more so than helped him by removing his down aerial's ability to [[meteor smash]] grounded opponents, which reverted it to how it functioned in ''SSB4''. This nerfed | Aside from this, Luigi received a few quality of life buffs: his up smash's knockback was increased, [[Green Missile]]'s ending lag was decreased, and both his standing and pivot grabs gained 1 more active frame apiece. However, this update harmed Luigi more so than helped him by removing his down aerial's ability to [[meteor smash]] grounded opponents, which reverted it to how it functioned in ''SSB4''. This greatly nerfed his ability to combo reliably, making zero to death combos less consistent overall. | ||
As part of update {{SSBU|3.0.0}}'s near-universal nerf to [[projectile]]s, [[Fireball]]'s [[shield damage]] output was decreased. Update {{SSBU|3.1.0}} improved his grab aerial's range by repositioning its plunger, and slightly improved his neutral attack's consistency. However, an adjustment to the timing of Luigi Cyclone's [[invincibility]] resulted in its utility being worsened slightly. Lastly, update {{SSBU|10.1.0}} noticeably improved his dash attack's consistency by decreasing its looping hits' knockback and adjusting its penultimate hit's angles. When coupled with the damage output buff it received in the transition to ''Ultimate'', Luigi's dash attack has become more reliable both as a burst option and as a risky, yet viable KO option. | As part of update {{SSBU|3.0.0}}'s near-universal nerf to [[projectile]]s, [[Fireball]]'s [[shield damage]] output was decreased. Update {{SSBU|3.1.0}} improved his grab aerial's range by repositioning its plunger, and slightly improved his neutral attack's consistency. However, an adjustment to the timing of Luigi Cyclone's [[invincibility]] resulted in its utility being worsened slightly. Lastly, update {{SSBU|10.1.0}} noticeably improved his dash attack's consistency by decreasing its looping hits' knockback and adjusting its penultimate hit's angles. When coupled with the damage output buff it received in the transition to ''Ultimate'', Luigi's dash attack has become more reliable both as a burst option and as a risky, yet viable KO option. | ||
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|dsmashname=Double Kick ({{ja|ダブルキック|Daburu Kikku}}) | |dsmashname=Double Kick ({{ja|ダブルキック|Daburu Kikku}}) | ||
|dsmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (body), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|14}} (legs) | |dsmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (body), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|14}} (legs) | ||
|dsmashdesc=A modified {{iw|mariowiki|Sweep Kick}}. Due to it coming out on frame 6, it is Luigi's fastest smash attack. It is useful for punishing rolls, thanks to it hitting in front of Luigi and behind himself; the back hit also has noticeably higher knockback and launches slightly lower compared to the front hit. Its respectable damage output also makes it useful for edge-guarding, and enables it to KO at reasonable percentages while near the edge. In an opposite fashion to his up smash, both hits possess sweetspots located closer to Luigi, with the sourspots covering the rest of his legs. Unlike in ''SSB4'', its front hit is significantly more reliable for KOing and edge-guarding, thanks to it launching the opponent at 52° instead of 120° | |dsmashdesc=A modified {{iw|mariowiki|Sweep Kick}}. Due to it coming out on frame 6, it is Luigi's fastest smash attack. It is useful for punishing rolls, thanks to it hitting in front of Luigi and behind himself; the back hit also has noticeably higher knockback and launches slightly lower compared to the front hit. Its respectable damage output also makes it useful for edge-guarding, and enables it to KO at reasonable percentages while near the edge. In an opposite fashion to his up smash, both hits possess sweetspots located closer to Luigi, with the sourspots covering the rest of his legs. Unlike in ''SSB4'', its front hit is significantly more reliable for KOing and edge-guarding, thanks to it launching the opponent at 52° instead of 120°, though at the cost of not leading into a stage spike anymore | ||
|nairname=Luigi Kick ({{ja|ルイージキック|Ruīji Kikku}}) | |nairname=Luigi Kick ({{ja|ルイージキック|Ruīji Kikku}}) | ||
|nairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}} (late) | |nairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}} (late) | ||
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''See also: [[:Category:Luigi players (SSBU)]]'' | ''See also: [[:Category:Luigi players (SSBU)]]'' | ||
*{{Sm|Elegant|USA}} - | *{{Sm|Elegant|USA}} - The second-greatest Luigi player of all time who was active between 2019 and 2022. He spearheaded Luigi's playerbase with several top 8 finishes at majors, especially right after the pandemic where he placed 3rd at {{Trn|Mainstage 2021}} and 4th at {{Trn|Riptide}} and {{Trn|Low Tide City 2021}}. He was the first Luigi player to rank in the top 50, with his best placement being 14th on the [[OrionRank Ultimate: Eclipse]]. He was banned in several regions in 2022 due to allegations to his conduct while drunk. | ||
*{{Sm|Kiyarash|USA}} - Debuted during the online metagame | *{{Sm|Kiyarash|USA}} - Debuted during the online metagame and was the best Luigi in North America's online metagame, with notable placements such as 2nd at the {{Trn|SWT: NA Southwest Ultimate Online Qualifier}}. Offline, he has been one of the best Luigi players in North America since 2023, ranking 88th on the [[LumiRank 2023]] and placing 17th at {{Trn|Crown the Third}} and 25th at {{Trn|Port Priority 8}} upsetting {{Sm|Zomba}}, and 33rd at {{Trn|GENESIS X}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Luugi|UK}} - One of | *{{Sm|Luugi|UK}} - One of the best Luigi players in the post-pandemic metagame, as well as one of the best European players during this time. He was the definitive best Luigi player in the first half of 2023, right before Raru's meteoric rise in the second half of the year. He was initially known for winning {{Trn|Tech Republic VI}}, but became better known for being the first Luigi player to enter grand finals at a major, placing 2nd at {{Trn|King Of Fields 95 3}}. He ranked 47th on the [[LumiRank Mid-Year 2023]], making him only the second Luigi player to rank top 50 globally, although he ultimately finished 64th on the [[LumiRank 2023|full-year ranking]]. | ||
*{{Sm|Navy|Japan}} - One of Japan's | *{{Sm|Navy|Japan}} - One of Japan's all-time best Luigi players who has been active since the early metagame, where he placed 4th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 6}}, becoming the first Luigi player to place top 8 at a major and doing so a day before Elegant's first top 8 at {{Trn|Low Tier City 7}}. Although he went on a hiatus after 2019, he returned to competitive play in 2023 and is better known for his performances during this time, especially after he placed 5th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 50}} and saw two back-to-back runner-up performances at {{Trn|OH-BAI-TOH-RI 0}} and {{Trn|Maesuma'LANDMARK 3}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Raru|Japan}} - The | *{{Sm|Raru|Japan}} - The greatest Luigi player of all-time, who has been the best Luigi player since 2023, and one of the best players from Japan in 2024. He is the first and only Luigi player to win both a major and supermajor in any ''Smash'' game, having won {{Trn|Sumabato SP 47}}, {{Trn|Sumabato SP 50}}, and {{Trn|UltCore Fourth}}. His highest ranking was 11th on the [[LumiRank 2024.1]], making him the highest-ranking Luigi player on any global ranking. | ||
*{{Sm|WaKa|Mexico}} - The best Luigi player in North America following Elegant's ban, with his highest ranking being 66th on the [[UltRank 2022]], and is one of the best players in Mexico. Although his activity has been either online or in-region, he has won many regionals in his region and has also placed highly at all Mexican majors he attended, including 9th at {{Trn|Smash Factor 9}} and 17th at both {{Trn|Smash Factor X}} and {{Trn|Delfino Maza 2023}}. | *{{Sm|WaKa|Mexico}} - The best Luigi player in North America following Elegant's ban, with his highest ranking being 66th on the [[UltRank 2022]], and is one of the best players in Mexico. Although his activity has been either online or in-region, he has won many regionals in his region and has also placed highly at all Mexican majors he attended, including 9th at {{Trn|Smash Factor 9}} and 17th at both {{Trn|Smash Factor X}} and {{Trn|Delfino Maza 2023}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Yamanaction|Japan}} - The best Luigi player in Japan in 2021 and 2022. | *{{Sm|Yamanaction|Japan}} - The best Luigi player in Japan in 2021 and 2022. He was first known for his upset over {{Sm|ProtoBanham}} at {{Trn|Umebura SP 7}}, which is the largest upset at an ''Ultimate'' major, with an upset factor of 14. He has also placed highly at several majors, including 9th at {{Trn|Kagaribi 7}}, and was ranked 90th on the [[OrionRank 2022]]. He began playing {{SSBU|Steve}} over Luigi in 2023, although he keeps Luigi as a co-main. | ||
===Tier placement and history=== | ===Tier placement and history=== | ||
Luigi's new grab (which had noticeably more lag) and nerfs to [[Luigi Cyclone]] that removed its recovery and gimping potential initially soured opinions on his viability. However, many players soon realized Luigi's combo game potential, specifically his zero-to-death combos. In addition, several Luigi players placed highly at tournaments as the metagame progressed, most notably {{Sm|Elegant}}, who, despite a rough start, eventually became a top 50 player by the end of the first year. Although Luigi's poor disadvantage state still hindered him, his perception greatly improved, and many players considered him as a mid-tier at worst. | Luigi's new grab (which had noticeably more lag) and nerfs to [[Luigi Cyclone]] that removed its recovery and gimping potential initially soured opinions on his viability. However, many players soon realized Luigi's combo game potential, specifically his zero-to-death combos. In addition, several Luigi players placed highly at tournaments as the metagame progressed, most notably {{Sm|Elegant}}, who, despite a rough start, eventually became a top 50 player by the end of the first year. Although Luigi's poor disadvantage state still hindered him, his perception greatly improved, and many players considered him as a mid-tier at worst. | ||
Since then, Luigi's results only improved as his combo game developed even further: in the post-online metagame, Elegant established himself as a top 20 player in the world following a string of top 8 results at supermajor events. Even after Elegant's ban, other Luigi players came and took his place; most notable among them were {{Sm|Luugi}} and {{Sm|Raru}}, both of whom have seen placements that were on par with, if not better, than what Elegant had. As such, although Luigi was ranked 47th on the first official tier list as an upper-mid tier, many players have argued that he should be ranked in the high-tier due to his strong results and deadly combo game. As a result, he rose eight positions in the second and current tier list, ranking at 39th place. However, many players still consider this placement too low, especially after Raru's meteoric rise to the top 20 and his major wins at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 47}} and {{Trn|Sumabato SP 50}}. | Since then, Luigi's results only improved as his combo game developed even further: in the post-online metagame, Elegant established himself as a top 20 player in the world following a string of top 8 results at supermajor events. Even after Elegant's ban, other Luigi players came and took his place; most notable among them were {{Sm|Luugi}} and {{Sm|Raru}}, both of whom have seen placements that were on par with, if not better, than what Elegant had. As such, although Luigi was ranked 47th on the first official tier list as an upper-mid tier, many players have argued that he should be ranked in the high-tier due to his strong results and deadly combo game. As a result, he rose eight positions in the second and current tier list, ranking at 39th place. However, many players still consider this placement too low, especially after Raru's meteoric rise to the top 20 with and his major wins at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 47}} and {{Trn|Sumabato SP 50}} and then winning the supermajor {{Trn|UltCore Fourth}}. | ||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Luigi's Nightmares== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Luigi's Nightmares== | ||