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{{s|wikipedia|Cam Clarke}} and {{s|wikipedia|Nobunaga Shimazaki}}'s portrayals of male Corrin in English and Japanese and Marcella Lentz-Pope and {{s|wikipedia|Satomi Sato}}'s portrayals of female Corrin in English and Japanese from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' were repurposed for ''Ultimate''. | {{s|wikipedia|Cam Clarke}} and {{s|wikipedia|Nobunaga Shimazaki}}'s portrayals of male Corrin in English and Japanese and Marcella Lentz-Pope and {{s|wikipedia|Satomi Sato}}'s portrayals of female Corrin in English and Japanese from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' were repurposed for ''Ultimate''. | ||
Corrin is ranked 27th out of 82 on the current [[tier list]], placing him in the A- tier. This is a slight drop from his 13th out of 54 placement in ''SSB4''. Corrin's main strength is his range, | Corrin is ranked 27th out of 82 on the current [[tier list]], placing him in the A- tier. This is a slight drop from his 13th out of 54 placement in ''SSB4''. Corrin's main strength is his range, high damage output and good frame data for a swordsman, along with an extremely reliable combo game thanks to his aerials having consistent combos at most percent ranges. This gifts him with an amazing neutral and advantage state, with [[Dragon Lunge]] serving as the centerpiece of Corrin's gameplan: it consists of an initial pin and followup attack that can be cancelled into an attack or various movement options, while serving as a recovery extender and a fast, low-risk [[2 frame punish]] option. Some of his attacks have extremely high reach, while others have options to keep opponents guessing, such as forward smash (which whittles down shields when charging) and [[Dragon Fang Shot]] (which can be charged in two different ways), allowing for useful mixups. Finally, Corrin's recovery is dependable thanks to [[Dragon Ascent]]'s [[intangibility]] and large hitboxes, while he can further aid his recovery by using back air. | ||
However, Corrin has notable weaknesses, most of which revolve around his poor mobility and disadvantage state. In spite of his excellent combo potential, Corrin's poor ground speed and lack of effective defensive options causes him to struggle to win neutral, | However, Corrin has notable weaknesses, most of which revolve around his poor mobility and disadvantage state. In spite of his excellent combo potential, Corrin's poor ground speed and lack of effective defensive options causes him to struggle to win neutral, especially against faster characters and zoners. His disadvantage state is poor due to his mediocre [[out of shield]] game and moves that aren't fast enough to help him escape from juggles, edgeguards, and ledgetraps. His combos and juggles are nevertheless susceptible to DI and easy to dodge thanks to his slow mobility, giving him unusual difficulty in combo game execution than other swordfighters. Corrin's strongest advantage tools, such as his special attacks and forward smash, are afflicted by poor frame data and therefore easy to punish, while his strongest KO options additionally require precision due to their small sweetspots. His grab game is only serviceable, with most of them only used for positional advantage and only one of them being a very late KO throw (up throw). Finally, Corrin is susceptible to gimps and edgeguards: while Dragon Ascent is fast and has a wide hitbox, it is Corrin's only recovery option out of back aerial or situational wall pins with Dragon Lunge, making his recovery linear. | ||
Overall, Corrin is a unique swordfighter that excels in a formidable combo game that is reliable across the cast, great edgeguarding and spacing tools, along with many ways to keep his opponent guessing once he is in advantage. However, his lack of defensive options and slow mobility hold his strengths back and means he has to carefully win neutral to avoid his lacking disadvantage state. Opinions on Corrin have been very volatile: he saw the | Overall, Corrin is a unique swordfighter that excels in a formidable, freeflow combo game that is reliable across the cast, great edgeguarding and spacing tools, along with many ways to keep his opponent guessing once he is in advantage. However, his lack of defensive options and slow mobility hold his strengths back and means he has to carefully win neutral to avoid his lacking disadvantage state. Opinions on Corrin have been very volatile: he saw the lowest representation of any character in the 2019-2020 metagame (with his 2020 representation being tied with {{SSBU|Mii Brawler}} for the lowest) and low opinions due to players perceiving his nerfs as too harsh, especially in the new game engine. However, significant buffs from game updates and the changes to the metagame greatly improved his representation, especially in the post-pandemic metagame thanks to the meta becoming punish-heavy and neutral-focused, which favors Corrin's gameplan. As a result, he has seen great success from players such as {{Sm|Neo|p=Japan}} and {{Sm|SHADIC}}, and as such is considered one of ''Ultimate''{{'}}s "late-meta" picks. | ||
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However, Corrin also has notable weaknesses, one of which is his below average speed. Corrin slightly struggles to keep up with fast opponents and utilize his large disjoints due to low air acceleration and airspeed. Another one of Corrin's most notable flaws is his below average disadvantage. Due to Corrin's slow airspeed and acceleration, he doesn't have many options for mixing up his momentum in the air with the exception of B-reversing. His disadvantage is made more problematic due to the fact that while neutral aerial can sometimes be a decent combo breaker, his only other landing options (down aerial and Counter Surge) are committal and laggy, and can result in getting deeper in disadvantage if these options are used too hastily. His slow air mobility not only hinders his disadvantage but also his recovery, as while Dragon Ascent has decent distance, its usefulness can be greatly hindered if Corrin is launched too far offstage without a jump, though at least that issue can somewhat be circumvented with the horizontal push of back aerial. However, even with this other slight recovery option, as well as the fact that his up special has a hitbox and some intangibility, it doesn't change the fact that Corrin's recovery is fairly linear, making him susceptible to losing stocks at earlier percents with well-placed edge guards against some characters. | However, Corrin also has notable weaknesses, one of which is his below average speed. Corrin slightly struggles to keep up with fast opponents and utilize his large disjoints due to low air acceleration and airspeed. Another one of Corrin's most notable flaws is his below average disadvantage. Due to Corrin's slow airspeed and acceleration, he doesn't have many options for mixing up his momentum in the air with the exception of B-reversing. His disadvantage is made more problematic due to the fact that while neutral aerial can sometimes be a decent combo breaker, his only other landing options (down aerial and Counter Surge) are committal and laggy, and can result in getting deeper in disadvantage if these options are used too hastily. His slow air mobility not only hinders his disadvantage but also his recovery, as while Dragon Ascent has decent distance, its usefulness can be greatly hindered if Corrin is launched too far offstage without a jump, though at least that issue can somewhat be circumvented with the horizontal push of back aerial. However, even with this other slight recovery option, as well as the fact that his up special has a hitbox and some intangibility, it doesn't change the fact that Corrin's recovery is fairly linear, making him susceptible to losing stocks at earlier percents with well-placed edge guards against some characters. | ||
Another issue with Corrin is his below-average grab game, as | Another issue with Corrin is his below-average grab game, as up throw is the only throw with some utility for being a late kill throw. Meanwhile, forward throw and back throw are purely positional throws, which have their uses but do not lead to guaranteed combos, and down throw is solely a high damage option, with none of these other throws having any degree of combo potential or reasonable kill power. | ||
Overall, Corrin is a character who can stand his ground up close and rack up damage efficiently with his spacing tools and his combo and advantage potential, but Corrin's below average speed holds him back from becoming a top tier threat. | Overall, Corrin is a character who can stand his ground up close and rack up damage efficiently with his spacing tools and his combo and advantage potential, but Corrin's below average speed holds him back from becoming a top tier threat. His tall frame and moderate gravity make him susceptible to aerial combos and juggling, similar to other fighters from ''Fire Emblem'', although his down aerial can prevent some juggles. Although his flaws are somewhat polarizing due to his slightly exploitable recovery and poor disadvantage, they can be made up for with his stable combo game and kill confirms as well as his greater raw kill power and range. | ||
==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ||
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|neutral3dmg=3% (base), 4% (tip) | |neutral3dmg=3% (base), 4% (tip) | ||
|neutralinfdmg=0.5% (loop), 3% (finisher) | |neutralinfdmg=0.5% (loop), 3% (finisher) | ||
|neutraldesc=A stab with a spear arm, an inward slash with the Omega Yato | |neutraldesc=A stab with a spear arm, an inward slash with the Omega Yato, and an outward slash with the Omega Yato held properly. If the neutral infinite is initiated, Corrin then transforms the spear arm into a draconic mouth with Dragon Fang, which repeatedly bites the opponent. These bites are finished with a final strong bite. The third hit of Corrin's Jab can kill at very high percents. | ||
|ftiltname=Yato Slash ({{ja|夜刀斬|Yato Ki}}) | |ftiltname=Yato Slash ({{ja|夜刀斬|Yato Ki}}) | ||
|ftiltdmg=10.5% | |ftiltdmg=10.5% | ||
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|pummelname=Grab Knee Kick ({{ja|つかみひざ蹴り|Tsukami Hiza Keri}}) | |pummelname=Grab Knee Kick ({{ja|つかみひざ蹴り|Tsukami Hiza Keri}}) | ||
|pummeldmg=1.3% | |pummeldmg=1.3% | ||
|pummeldesc=A knee strike. | |pummeldesc=A knee strike. Average power and speed. | ||
|fthrowname=Bright Star ({{ja|明星|Myōjō}}) | |fthrowname=Bright Star ({{ja|明星|Myōjō}}) | ||
|fthrowdmg=5% (hit 1, base), 10% (hit 1, tip), 2% (throw) | |fthrowdmg=5% (hit 1, base), 10% (hit 1, tip), 2% (throw) | ||
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|dsdesc=Corrin's head goes into dragon form while getting into a defensive stance. If attacked, Corrin transforms into a dragon using the Dragon Fang and slams the ground. A surge of water then erupts from the ground on both sides of Corrin, launching opponents upwards; a unique counter with these distinctions. | |dsdesc=Corrin's head goes into dragon form while getting into a defensive stance. If attacked, Corrin transforms into a dragon using the Dragon Fang and slams the ground. A surge of water then erupts from the ground on both sides of Corrin, launching opponents upwards; a unique counter with these distinctions. | ||
|fsname=Torrential Roar | |fsname=Torrential Roar | ||
|fsdmg=7% (light pillars | |fsdmg=7%/4%/2% (light pillars), 1.5% (cutscene, 14 hits) 13% (finish) | ||
|fsdesc=Corrin strikes the ground with his free hand, creating two large pillars of light. Anyone who gets hit will be transported to a rocky mountain area. Corrin then transforms into a dragon with the Dragon Fang and unleashes a whirlpool that traps and launches all fighters before going back to the standard stage. | |fsdesc=Corrin strikes the ground with his free hand, creating two large pillars of light. Anyone who gets hit will be transported to a rocky mountain area. Corrin then transforms into a dragon with the Dragon Fang and unleashes a whirlpool that traps and launches all fighters before going back to the standard stage. | ||
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''See also:[[:Category:Corrin players (SSBU)]]'' | ''See also:[[:Category:Corrin players (SSBU)]]'' | ||
*{{Sm|Ly|Japan}} - Co-mains Corrin alongside {{SSBU|Byleth}} and was considered the best offline Corrin player in the world during the pandemic period, with notable placements such as 17th at {{Trn|Kagaribi 4}} and 33rd at {{Trn|Kagaribi 3}}. Although his results have since declined, he still sees the occasional strong performance, most notably at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}}, where he placed 17th and upset {{Sm|Sparg0}}. | *{{Sm|Ly|Japan}} - Co-mains Corrin alongside {{SSBU|Byleth}} and was considered the best offline Corrin player in the world during the pandemic period, with notable placements such as 17th at {{Trn|Kagaribi 4}} and 33rd at {{Trn|Kagaribi 3}}. Although his results have since declined, he still sees the occasional strong performance, most notably at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}}, where he placed 17th and upset {{Sm|Sparg0}}. | ||
*{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}} - Began using Corrin in his roster in early 2022 and was the best Corrin player in the world at the time, predominantly using the character in top 8 of {{Trn|Delfino Maza RETA 2022}}, becoming the first time Corrin saw significant usage to win a major. He has also used Corrin to win crucial sets in order to win {{Trn|e-Caribana}}. He dropped Corrin following {{Trn|Double Down 2022}}, although he has occasionally pulled out the character to cover his other mains' bad matchups, such as defeating {{Sm|Sonix}} at {{Trn|Wavedash 2023}}. | *{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}} - Began using Corrin in his roster in early 2022 and was the best Corrin player in the world at the time, predominantly using the character in top 8 of {{Trn|Delfino Maza RETA 2022}}, becoming the first time Corrin saw significant usage to win a major. He has also used Corrin to win crucial sets in order to win {{Trn|e-Caribana}}. He dropped Corrin following {{Trn|Double Down 2022}}, although he has occasionally pulled out the character to cover his other mains' bad matchups, such as defeating {{Sm|Sonix}} at {{Trn|Wavedash 2023}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Neo|Japan|p=Japan}} - Although he began seriously competing in late-2022, he quickly established himself as | *{{Sm|Neo|Japan|p=Japan}} - Although he began seriously competing in late-2022, he quickly established himself as the best Corrin player in Japan, most notably placing 5th at the supermajor {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}} defeating {{Sm|Tweek}}, the highest placement for a Corrin player relative to number of participants. | ||
*{{Sm|SHADIC|USA}} - One of the first Corrin players | *{{Sm|SHADIC|USA}} - One of the first notable Corrin players and is the best Corrin player of all-time. He is best known for winning {{Trn|Cirque Du CFL 3}}, becoming the first solo-Corrin player to win a major, and the invitational {{Trn|The Luminosity Invitational}}. In addition, he had placed top 8 at several "premier" events, including 3rd at {{Trn|Supernova 2024}} and 7th at both {{Trn|GENESIS X}} and {{Trn|Riptide 2024}}. He is ranked 7th on the [[LumiRank 2024.1]], the first player ranked in the top 10 who uses primarily Corrin. | ||
===Tier placement and history=== | ===Tier placement and history=== | ||
Corrin was initially seen as a mid-tier character from the beginning of the metagame. While his nerfs were perceived as noticeable, players believed he could still have potential akin to ''Smash 4'' with moves such as back aerial and Dragon Lunge still being strong enough to mitigate their nerfs. However, it soon became apparent that their changes were insufficient to adhere to ''Ultimate''{{'}}s faster engine. Many top professionals considered Corrin a low-tier character, and all of Corrin's notable players from ''Smash 4'' dropped him. Despite occasional success from players such as {{Sm|Ke-ya}}, who has placed decently in Japan, and {{Sm|Cosmos}}, who notably reverse 3-0'd Dabuz at {{Trn|Glitch 8 - Missingno}}, Corrin's representation was near nonexistent during the early metagame, with him ranking last in representation at the end of 2019,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJs-mj5TTdkmkl7nhj4twJymVPTLTUdT0MBToL1cxDs/edit#gid=342014565|title=OrionRank 2019 character data}}</ref> and again in 2020, where an analysis of 251 [[Power ranking]]s across 5 continents in 2020 showing Corrin having the lowest representation in the roster (0.1%), along with | Corrin was initially seen as a mid-tier character from the beginning of the metagame. While his nerfs were perceived as noticeable, players believed he could still have potential akin to ''Smash 4'' with moves such as back aerial and Dragon Lunge still being strong enough to mitigate their nerfs. However, it soon became apparent that their changes were insufficient to adhere to ''Ultimate''{{'}}s faster engine. Many top professionals considered Corrin a low-tier character, and all of Corrin's notable players from ''Smash 4'' dropped him. Despite occasional success from players such as {{Sm|Ke-ya}}, who has placed decently in Japan, and {{Sm|Cosmos}}, who notably reverse 3-0'd Dabuz at {{Trn|Glitch 8 - Missingno}}, Corrin's representation was near nonexistent during the early metagame, with him ranking last in representation at the end of 2019,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJs-mj5TTdkmkl7nhj4twJymVPTLTUdT0MBToL1cxDs/edit#gid=342014565|title=OrionRank 2019 character data}}</ref> and again in 2020, where an analysis of 251 [[Power ranking]]s across 5 continents in 2020 showing Corrin having the lowest representation in the roster (0.1%), along with {{SSBU|Mii Brawler}}.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGaYyzztjBc&t=872s&ab_channel=turndownforULT</ref> | ||
However, Corrin's reception would begin to turn around with the release of patch 8.0.0, where his KO power and Dragon Lunge were improved. Although the patch took place during the COVID-19 pandemic, Corrin began seeing improving results from Cosmos, who mained Corrin throughout most of the online metagame. Following the return of offline competitive play, Corrin saw further success from old players such as {{Sm|Ly}} and {{Sm|SHADIC}} and gained new players such as {{Sm|MkLeo}}, who co-mained Corrin in the first half of 2022, and {{Sm|Neo|p=Japan}}, who established himself as one of the best Corrin players in the world by early-2023 despite having started seriously competing months prior. This led to a renaissance period for Corrin, who swiftly saw more and more representation as time went on, a | However, Corrin's reception would begin to turn around with the release of patch 8.0.0, where his KO power and Dragon Lunge were improved. Although the patch took place during the COVID-19 pandemic, Corrin began seeing improving results from Cosmos, who mained Corrin throughout most of the online metagame. Following the return of offline competitive play, Corrin saw further success from old players such as {{Sm|Ly}} and {{Sm|SHADIC}} and gained new players such as {{Sm|MkLeo}}, who co-mained Corrin in the first half of 2022, and {{Sm|Neo|p=Japan}}, who established himself as one of the best Corrin players in the world by early-2023 despite having started seriously competing only months prior. This led to a renaissance period for Corrin, who swiftly saw more and more representation as time went on, a remarkable improvement from Corrin's near-nonexistent playerbase from the early metagame and one of the most significant turnarounds of any character's overall representation across any ''Smash'' game. These marked changes caused the community to reassess the character to a mid-tier, with some going as far as to say Corrin could be ranked as a high-tier. This is reflected in Corrin's first tier list placement, where he was ranked 42nd out of 82 in B+ tier. | ||
During the middle of 2023, an explosion of Corrin results caused people's opinions of the character to go even higher, getting ranked 27th out of 82 in A- tier on the second tier list, being ranked as a high tier character. This uprise of results for Corrin only continued into 2024, where SHADIC became a notable top 10 player, having won {{Trn|Cirque Du CFL 3}} and {{Trn|The Luminosity Invitational}} over players like {{Sm|Miya|p=Honshu}} and {{Sm|Sonix}} respectively, defeating {{Sm|Sparg0}} to place 4th at {{Trn|S Factor 11}}, as well as placing 3rd at the premier {{Trn|Supernova 2024}}. In addition, Sparg0 added the character to his roster as a pocket for certain matchups, like against {{Sm|Riddles}} or {{Sm|KEN}}, making some top players argue that the character should be ranked even higher. | |||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Between White and Black== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Between White and Black== | ||
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|4||{{CharHead|Pit|SSBU|hsize=20px}} and {{CharHead|Dark Pit|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||[[Reset Bomb Forest]]||''{{SSBUMusicLink|Kid Icarus|Boss Fight 1 - Kid Icarus: Uprising}}''||The {{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Female}} ({{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px}}) opposite-gendered Corrin is a CPU ally. | |4||{{CharHead|Pit|SSBU|hsize=20px}} and {{CharHead|Dark Pit|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||[[Reset Bomb Forest]]||''{{SSBUMusicLink|Kid Icarus|Boss Fight 1 - Kid Icarus: Uprising}}''||The {{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Female}} ({{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px}}) opposite-gendered Corrin is a CPU ally. | ||
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|6||{{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Female}} ({{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px}}) Opposite-gender Corrin, {{CharHead|Lucina|SSBU|hsize=20px|color=Navy}}, and {{CharHead|Robin|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||[[Castle Siege]]||''{{SSBUMusicLink|Fire Emblem|Lost in Thoughts All Alone (Remix)}}''||{{CharHead|Marth|SSBU|hsize=20px|color=White}} in his white costume and {{CharHead|Chrom|SSBU|hsize=20px}} are CPU allies. | |6||{{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Female}} ({{head|Corrin|g=SSBU|s=20px}}) Opposite-gender Corrin, {{CharHead|Lucina|SSBU|hsize=20px|color=Navy}}, and {{CharHead|Robin|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||[[Castle Siege]]||''{{SSBUMusicLink|Fire Emblem|Lost in Thoughts All Alone (Remix)}}''||{{CharHead|Marth|SSBU|hsize=20px|color=White}} in his white costume and {{CharHead|Chrom|SSBU|hsize=20px}} are CPU allies. | ||
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*Female Corrin's Fighter Spirit uses artwork from ''Fire Emblem: Fates'', where her armor exposes her inner thighs rather than having her wear black leggings. This is probably an oversight, as the Spirits for Camilla, likewise from ''Fire Emblem: Fates'', and {{SSBU|Mythra}} from ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'' had modified artwork to be less provocative. | *Female Corrin's Fighter Spirit uses artwork from ''Fire Emblem: Fates'', where her armor exposes her inner thighs rather than having her wear black leggings. This is probably an oversight, as the Spirits for Camilla, likewise from ''Fire Emblem: Fates'', and {{SSBU|Mythra}} from ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'' had modified artwork to be less provocative. | ||
**This oversight appears to be shared with the Fighter Spirits for {{SSBU|Palutena}}, {{SSBU|Bayonetta}}, and {{SSBU|Pyra}}, who likewise use unaltered artwork from their games of origin, but have had censorship applied to them in their playable forms. | **This oversight appears to be shared with the Fighter Spirits for {{SSBU|Palutena}}, {{SSBU|Bayonetta}}, and {{SSBU|Pyra}}, who likewise use unaltered artwork from their games of origin, but have had censorship applied to them in their playable forms. | ||
*Corrin is the only DLC fighter who | *Corrin is the only DLC fighter who had moves changed from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'', those being the third hit of his [[neutral attack]] and his [[pummel]]. | ||
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