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 The tiers in this list were split into groups: Top (S); High (A, B); Middle (C, D, E); Low (F, G), and Bottom (H, I, J).
-Many members of the ''Smash 4'' community thought that this tier list was created too early, as version [[List_of_updates_(SSB4-Wii_U)#1.1.4|1.1.4]] was only two days from release, which would add [[Bayonetta_(SSB4)|Bayonetta]] and [[Corrin_(SSB4)|Corrin]] as playable characters, as well as likely contain a variety of [[List_of_updates_(SSB4-Wii_U)|balance changes]]; {{sm|ZeRo}}, considered the world's best ''Smash 4'' player at the time, notably abstained from voting due to this. After the release of 1.1.4, two further balance patches were also released, leading to further dispute over the legitimacy of the tier list.
+Many members of the ''Smash 4'' community thought that this tier list was created too early, as version [[List of updates (SSB4-Wii U)#1.1.4|1.1.4]] was only two days from release, which would add {{SSB4|Bayonetta}} and {{SSB4|Corrin}} as playable characters, as well as likely contain a variety of [[List of updates (SSB4-Wii U)|balance changes]]; {{sm|ZeRo}}, considered the world's best ''Smash 4'' player at the time, notably abstained from voting due to this. After the release of 1.1.4, two further balance patches were also released, leading to further dispute over the legitimacy of the tier list.
 ==Second tier list (August 21, 2016)==
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 As with the previous lists, the tiers in this list were split into groups: Top (S & A), High (B), Mid (C & D), and Low (E & F). Unlike other tier lists, there is no "Bottom" group.
-The distribution of top tiers changed drastically in the transition. {{SSB4|Bayonetta}} rose 10 places to claim the top spot over {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}, the second time in a row that the top character has been replaced and causing her own growth over the game's lifespan to reflect Diddy's (as both characters gained a reputation for being "overpowered", were eventually nerfed and ranked in lower high tier, and claimed the top spot on the following tier list). However, the S tier shrunk to only include four characters - Bayonetta, Diddy, {{SSB4|Cloud}} and {{SSB4|Sheik}}. Due to their below-average playerbase and dearth in results compared to other top tiers, {{SSB4|Rosalina & Luma}} notably fell from S to A tier for the first time. However, {{SSB4|Marth}}'s results continued to improve drastically, causing him to rise into the top tiers at 10th place, finally continuing the trend that he set in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', and giving him the highest cumulative tier rise over all three tier lists.
+{{SSB4|Dark Pit}} was treated as the same character as {{SSB4|Pit}} due to being commonly agreed to share nearly identical characteristics while being inferior to Pit. The distribution of top tiers changed drastically in the transition. {{SSB4|Bayonetta}} rose 10 places to claim the top spot over {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}, the second time in a row that the top character has been replaced and causing her own growth over the game's lifespan to reflect Diddy's (as both characters gained a reputation for being "overpowered", were eventually nerfed and ranked in lower high tier, and claimed the top spot on the following tier list). However, the S tier shrunk to only include four characters - Bayonetta, Diddy, {{SSB4|Cloud}} and {{SSB4|Sheik}}. Due to their below-average playerbase and dearth in results compared to other top tiers, {{SSB4|Rosalina & Luma}} notably fell from S to A tier for the first time. However, {{SSB4|Marth}}'s results continued to improve drastically, causing him to rise into the top tiers at 10th place, finally continuing the trend that he set in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', and giving him the highest cumulative tier rise over all three tier lists. {{SSB4|Sonic}} rose 1 place, making him top of A tier.
 Many character placements are similar to how they were in the second tier list, with numerous characters remaining adjacent to each other in the same order. However, results for many lower-ranked characters (especially in the low and bottom tiers) have improved drastically, causing a reduction in the number of tier groups and the abolishment of the "Bottom" ranking. The greatest improvement was {{SSB4|Lucina}} by 18 places, placing her in high tier and showing almost the same degree of improvement as her template {{SSB4|Marth}}. {{SSB4|Bowser}} and {{SSB4|Charizard}} also saw significant improvement, with {{sm|Nairo}} using Bowser to cause some major upsets and Charizard's results gradually but notably outpacing those for other bottom-tiers, causing super-heavyweight characters in general to be more evenly distributed across the lower half of the tier list. Many other low-tier characters rose in the rankings as well, with some (such as {{SSB4|Link}}, {{SSB4|Shulk}} and {{SSB4|Duck Hunt}}) ascending to mid tier.
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 ==Fourth tier list (December 11, 2017)==
 {{SSB4Tiers}}
-The Backroom released the fourth tier list on December 11, 2017, as announced the day before in a tweet.<ref>https://twitter.com/Smash4BR/status/940023829086265344</ref> It is the first tier list for the 1.1.7 version, which is also supposedly the final version. However, no balance changes were made between 1.1.6 and 1.1.7.
+The Backroom released the fourth tier list<ref>[https://smashboards.com/threads/4br-smash-for-wii-u-tier-list-v4.452109]</ref> on December 11, 2017, as announced the day before in a tweet.<ref>https://twitter.com/Smash4BR/status/940023829086265344</ref> It is the first tier list for the 1.1.7 version, the final version of the game. However, no balance changes were made between 1.1.6 and 1.1.7.
-{{SSB4|Dark Pit}} was treated as the same character as {{SSB4|Pit}} due to being commonly agreed to share nearly identical characteristics while being inferior to Pit. All three Mii Fighters were excluded for the first time due to their rarity in the meta and having unstable legality, making insufficient voting input.
+All three Mii Fighters were excluded for the first time due to their rarity in the meta and having unstable legality, leading to insufficient voting input. Characters who differed by less 0.1 in average score were considered to be tied in placement. This led to six ties: {{SSB4|Cloud}} and {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}} tied for 2nd/3rd, {{SSB4|Fox}} and {{SSB4|Sonic}} tied for 7th/8th, {{SSB4|Marth}} and {{SSB4|Ryu}} tied for 11th/12th, {{SSB4|Ness}} and {{SSB4|Lucas}} tied for 28th/29th, {{SSB4|Robin}} and {{SSB4|Samus}} tied for 36th/37th, and {{SSB4|Ganondorf}} and {{SSB4|Zelda}} tied for 53rd/54th. While the letter-tiers weren't grouped into high, mid, and low, the Backroom stated that they considered tiers F and lower suitable for low tier events, and tiers D and lower suitable for mid-tier events, resulting in a much higher proportion of high-tier characters than previous tier lists.
-Characters who differed by less 0.1 in average score were considered to be tied in placement. This led to five ties: {{SSB4|Fox}} and {{SSB4|Sonic}} tied for 7th, {{SSB4|Marth}} and {{SSB4|Ryu}} tied for 11th, {{SSB4|Ness}} and {{SSB4|Lucas}} tied for 28th, {{SSB4|Robin}} and {{SSB4|Samus}} tied for 37th, and {{SSB4|Ganondorf}} and {{SSB4|Zelda}} tied for 53rd. Strangely, despite being only .02 apart in their scores, Diddy and Cloud were not tied.
+As a result of improved representation and results, {{SSB4|Luigi}}, {{SSB4|Link}}, {{SSB4|Olimar}}, {{SSB4|Donkey Kong}}, and {{SSB4|Duck Hunt}} saw large improvements in placement. In addition, following continuously lower placements with each tier list, {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}} returned to the top 10 thanks to better understandings of top tier matchups. Conversely, {{SSB4|Mega Man}} and {{SSB4|Villager}} suffered large drops due to declining representation and results from their best players, while mid-tiers {{SSB4|Yoshi}}, {{SSB4|Ike}}, and {{SSB4|Wario}} saw noticeable dips as well due to continuously sub-par results and troubling matchups against higher-tiered characters.
-While the letter-tiers weren't grouped into high, mid, and low, the Backroom stated that they considered tiers F and lower suitable for low tier events, and tiers D and lower suitable for mid-tier events, resulting in a much higher proportion of high-tier characters than previous tier lists.
+Despite these changes making the list more accurate, most competitive Smashers still consider some of the placements to be inaccurate. For example, {{SSB4|Duck Hunt}} and {{SSB4|Peach}} were considered underrated and worthy of a higher placement. Conversely, {{SSB4|Pikachu}} was considered overrated and deserved a lower placement. Notably, {{Sm|Illusion}} noted that Greninja would've been ranked higher had the voting period not ended before an explosion of Greninja results, and expected the character to see a rise in the future.
-{{SSB4|Mega Man}}, {{SSB4|Villager}}, {{SSB4|Ike}}, and {{SSB4|Wario}} suffered the largest drops. {{SSB4|Yoshi}} dropped from declining interest in top players, mediocre results, and trouble with top tier matchups. {{Sm|Illusion}} wrote that the voted period ended before an explosion of {{SSB4|Greninja}} results, explaining its drop in placement. He expected Greninja to be higher on the next tier list because of this. {{SSB4|Luigi}}, {{SSB4|Link}}, {{SSB4|Olimar}}, {{SSB4|Donkey Kong}}, and {{SSB4|Duck Hunt}} made the largest improvements in placement. {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}} rose in placement from better understandings of top tier matchups.
 ==Tier list chart==
 This table shows the ranks of each character through all of the tier lists, as well as a numbered description of their change in rank each time. "Change" lists how much a character's position changed between the two tier lists it is in between. "Highest" represents a character's highest position, "Lowest" represents their lowest position, and "Difference" lists the difference between the highest and lowest position. "Overall change" represents a character's change between the first tier list and the current tier list.
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 |{{SSB4|Bayonetta}}||N/A||N/A||11||+10||1||±0||'''1'''||1||11||10||'''+10'''
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-|{{SSB4|Cloud}}||12||+10||2||-1||3||+1||'''2'''||2||12||10||'''+10'''
+|{{SSB4|Cloud}}||12||+10||2||-1||3||+1 (,±0*)||'''2 (,3*)'''||2||12||10||'''+10 (,9*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}||9||+8||1||-1||2||-1||'''3'''||1||9||8||'''+6'''
+|{{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}||9||+8||1||-1||2||-1 (,2*)||'''2 (,3*)'''||1||9||8||'''+6 (,5*)'''
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 |{{SSB4|Sheik}}||1||-2||3||-1||4|||±0||'''4'''||1||4||3||'''-3'''
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 |{{SSB4|Ness}}||13||-3||16||-8||24||-4 (,-5*)||'''28 (,29*)'''||13||28 (,29*)||15||'''-16 (,-15*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Lucas}}||36||+3||33||+1||32||+4 (,+3*)||'''28 (,29*)'''||28 (,29*)||36||7||'''+8 (,+7*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Lucas}}||36||+3||33||+2||31||+3 (,+2*)||'''28 (,29*)'''||28 (,29*)||36||7||'''+7 (,+6*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Duck Hunt}}||43 (,44*)||+1 (,+2*)||42||+5||37||+7||'''30'''||30||43 (,44*)||6 (,7*)||'''+13 (,+14*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Duck Hunt}}||43 (,44*)||+1 (,+2*)||42||+6||36||+6||'''30'''||30||43 (,44*)||6 (,7*)||'''+13 (,+14*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Link}}||42||-1||43||+4||39||+8||'''31'''||31||43||12||'''+11'''
+|{{SSB4|Link}}||42||-1||43||+5||38||+7||'''31'''||31||43||12||'''+11'''
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-|{{SSB4|Pit}}||18||-6||24||-6 (,7*)||30 (,31*)||-2 (,-3*)||'''32 (,33*)'''||18||32 (,33*)||12 (,13*)||'''-15 (,-14*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Pit}}||18||-6||24||-6||30||-2||'''32'''||18||32||12||'''-15'''
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-|{{SSB4|Dark Pit}}||17||-10||27||-3 (,-4*)||30 (,31*)||-2 (,-3*)||'''32 (,33*)'''||17||32, (33*)||13 (,14*)||'''-16 (,-15*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Dark Pit}}||17||-10||27||-3||30||-2||'''32'''||17||32||13||'''-16'''
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-|{{SSB4|Yoshi}}|||15||-8||23||-6||29||-5||'''34'''||15||34||14||'''-19'''
+|{{SSB4|Yoshi}}|||15||-8||23||-6||29||-4||'''33'''||15||33||14||'''-18'''
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-|{{SSB4|Shulk}}||40||-4||44||+6||38||+3||'''35'''||35||44||6||'''+5'''
+|{{SSB4|Shulk}}||40||-4||44||+7||37||+3||'''34'''||34||44||6||'''+6'''
 |-
-|{{SSB4|R.O.B}}||20||-8||28||-5||33||-3||'''36'''||20||36||13||'''-16'''
+|{{SSB4|R.O.B}}||20||-8||28||-6||32||-3||'''35'''||20||35||13||'''-17'''
 |-
-|{{SSB4|Robin}}||31||±0||31||-3||34||-3 (,-4*)||'''37 (,38*)'''||31||37 (,38*)||3||'''-7 (,-6*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Robin}}||31||±0||31||-2||33||-3 (,-4*)||'''36 (,37*)'''||31||36 (,37*)||3||'''-5 (,-6*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Samus}}||51||+6||45||+4||41||+3 (,+4*)||'''37 (,38*)'''||37 (,38*)||51||10||'''+13 (,+14*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Samus}}||51||+6||45||+5||40||+4 (,+3*)||'''36 (,37*)'''||36 (,37*)||51||10||'''+15 (,+14*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Mr. Game & Watch}}||35||-2||37||-3||40||+1||'''39'''||35||40||4||'''-4'''
+|{{SSB4|Mr. Game & Watch}}||35||-2||37||-2||39||+1||'''38'''||35||39||4||'''-3'''
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-|{{SSB4|Ike}}||26||-9||35||±0||35||-5||'''40'''||26||40||14||'''-14'''
+|{{SSB4|Ike}}||26||-9||35||+1||34||-5||'''39'''||26||39||14||'''-13'''
 |-
-|{{SSB4|Wario}}||21||-13||34||-2||36||-5||'''41'''||21||41||20||'''-20'''
+|{{SSB4|Wario}}||21||-13||34||-1||35||-4||'''40'''||21||40||20||'''-18'''
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-|{{SSB4|Roy}}||32||-18||50||+6||44||+2||'''42'''||32||50||10||'''-10'''
+|{{SSB4|Roy}}||32||-18||50||+7||43||+2||'''41'''||32||50||10||'''-9'''
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-|{{SSB4|Charizard}}||49||-2||51||+6||45||+2||'''43'''||43||51||6||'''+6'''
+|{{SSB4|Charizard}}||49||-2||51||+7||44||+2||'''42'''||43||51||6||'''+7'''
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-|{{SSB4|Little Mac}}||43 (,44*)||+4 (,+5*)||39||-4||43||-1||'''44'''||39||43 (,44*)||0 (,1*)||'''-1 (,±0*)'''
+|{{SSB4|Little Mac}}||43 (,44*)||+4 (,+5*)||39||-4||42||-1||'''43'''||39||43 (,44*)||0 (,1*)||'''-1 (,±0*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Palutena}}||50||+10||40||-2||42||-3||'''45'''||40||50||5||'''+5'''
+|{{SSB4|Palutena}}||50||+10||40||-1||41||-3||'''44'''||40||50||5||'''+6'''
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-|{{SSB4|Pac-Man}}||29||-9||38||-8||46||±0||'''46'''||29||46||17||'''-17'''
+|{{SSB4|Pac-Man}}||29||-9||38||-7||45||±0||'''45'''||29||46||17||'''-16'''
 |-
-|{{SSB4|Falco}}||38||-11||49||-1||50||+3||'''47'''||38||50||12||'''-9'''
+|{{SSB4|Falco}}||38||-11||49||±0||49||+3||'''46'''||38||49||12||'''-8'''
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-|{{SSB4|Bowser Jr.}}||34||-12 (,-13*)||46 (,47*)||-2 (,1*)||48||±0||'''48'''||34||48||14||'''-14'''
+|{{SSB4|Bowser Jr.}}||34||-12 (,-13*)||46 (,47*)||-1 (,±0*)||47||±0||'''47'''||34||47||14||'''-13'''
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-|{{SSB4|Dr. Mario}}||45||-3||48||-3||51||+2||'''49'''||45||51||6||'''-4'''
+|{{SSB4|Dr. Mario}}||45||-3||48||-2||50||+2||'''48'''||45||50||6||'''-3'''
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-|{{SSB4|Kirby}}||33||-8||41||-6||47||-3||'''50'''||33||50||17||'''-17'''
+|{{SSB4|Kirby}}||33||-8||41||-5||46||-3||'''49'''||33||49||17||'''-16'''
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-|{{SSB4|Wii Fit Trainer}}||39||-7 (,-8*)||46 (,47*)||-3 (,2*)||49||-2||'''51'''||39||51||10||'''-12'''
+|{{SSB4|Wii Fit Trainer}}||39||-7 (,-8*)||46 (,47*)||-2 (,1*)||48||-2||'''50'''||39||50||10||'''-11'''
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-|{{SSB4|King Dedede}}||46||-6||52||±0||52||±0||'''52'''||46||52||6||'''-6'''
+|{{SSB4|King Dedede}}||46||-6||52||+1||51||±0||'''51'''||46||52||6||'''-5'''
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-|{{SSB4|Ganondorf}}||54||-2||56||+3||53||±0||'''53'''||53||56||3||'''+1'''
+|{{SSB4|Ganondorf}}||54||-2||56||+4||52||±0 (,-1*)||'''52 (,53*)'''||52||56||3||'''+2 (,1*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Mii Gunner}}||52||-1||53||-1||54||N/A||N/A||52||54||2||'''-2'''
+|{{SSB4|Zelda}}||56||+1||55||+1||54||+2 (,1*)||'''52 (,53*)'''||52 (,53*)||56||1||'''+4 (,3*)'''
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-|{{SSB4|Zelda}}||56||+1||55||±0||55||+1||'''54'''||54||56||1||'''+2'''
+|{{SSB4|Jigglypuff}}||55||-3||58||+1||57||+4||'''54'''||54||58||3||'''±0'''
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-|{{SSB4|Mii Brawler}}||48||-6||54||-2||56||N/A||N/A||48||56||8||'''-8'''
+|{{SSB4|Mii Brawler}}||48||-6||54||-1||55||N/A||N/A||48||55||8||'''-7'''
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-|{{SSB4|Mii Swordfighter}}||53||-4||57||±0||57||N/A||N/A||53||57||4||'''-4'''
+|{{SSB4|Mii Swordfighter}}||53||-4||57||+1||56||N/A||N/A||53||57||4||'''-3'''
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-|{{SSB4|Jigglypuff}}||55||-3||58||±0||58||+3||'''55'''||55||58||3||'''±0'''
+|{{SSB4|Mii Gunner}}||52||-1||53||±0||53||N/A||N/A||52||53||2||'''-1'''
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 *[[List of SSBM tier lists (NTSC)]]
 *[[List of SSBB tier lists (NTSC)]]
+*[[List of SSBU tier lists]]
 *[[Metagame]]