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==All costumes from E3 demo== | ==All costumes from E3 demo== | ||
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:'''Support''' Some may argue that this is for a game still in development and does not warrant the protection, but I think that is exactly what makes it more pressing. SSB4, Brawl, and Melee are old news for a lot of people "looking" to "improve" these articles: ''Ultimate'' is where they are going to go. These floodgates need to be closed. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 20:09, 6 July 2018 (EDT) | :'''Support''' Some may argue that this is for a game still in development and does not warrant the protection, but I think that is exactly what makes it more pressing. SSB4, Brawl, and Melee are old news for a lot of people "looking" to "improve" these articles: ''Ultimate'' is where they are going to go. These floodgates need to be closed. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 20:09, 6 July 2018 (EDT) | ||
:'''Support''' I'm frankly getting sick of the unconstructive edits that are occurring here. Leave it to the people who know what they're doing. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 20:15, 6 July 2018 (EDT) | :'''Support''' I'm frankly getting sick of the unconstructive edits that are occurring here. Leave it to the people who know what they're doing. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 20:15, 6 July 2018 (EDT) | ||
Hey I want to add info but I can't. Does this page really need to be protected still? [[User:UnReverie|UnReverie]] ([[User talk:UnReverie|talk]]) 13:03, 7 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:Hi, UnReverie. All alternate costume pages on SmashWiki are semi-protected due to unconstructive editing. Semi-protection means that people without user accounts and users who are not autoconfirmed cannot contribute to the article. You become autoconfirmed after 1.) you have had a user account for 7 day’s and 2.) you have made at least ten edits. In the interim, you can discuss potential contributions here in the discussion page. What edits did you want to make? [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 14:03, 7 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Costume labels == | == Costume labels == | ||
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--[[User:VoyagerDefault|VoyagerDefault]] ([[User talk:VoyagerDefault|talk]]) 22:28, 5 September 2018 (EDT) | --[[User:VoyagerDefault|VoyagerDefault]] ([[User talk:VoyagerDefault|talk]]) 22:28, 5 September 2018 (EDT) | ||
:Skidda is from DKC3 not dkc2 [https://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong_Country_3:_Dixie_Kong%27s_Double_Trouble!] | :Skidda is from DKC3 not dkc2 [https://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong_Country_3:_Dixie_Kong%27s_Double_Trouble!]<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:IAMWEEGEE24|IAMWEEGEE24]] ([[User talk:IAMWEEGEE24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IAMWEEGEE24|contribs]]) 16:22, 14 September 2018 (EDT)</small> | ||
::fixed, thanks [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:25, 14 September 2018 (EDT) | ::fixed, thanks [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:25, 14 September 2018 (EDT) | ||
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:#The container Piranha Plant sits in changes with each costume. It sits in the [[mariowiki:File:Piranha Plant Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png|brown pot]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D World}}'' by default. | :#The container Piranha Plant sits in changes with each costume. It sits in the [[mariowiki:File:Piranha Plant Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png|brown pot]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D World}}'' by default. | ||
:#Resembles its [[mariowiki:File:Piranha Plant SMB.png|original design]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros.}}'' The pot is replaced with a green {{s|mariowiki|pipe}}. | :#Resembles its [[mariowiki:File:Piranha Plant SMB.png|original design]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros.}}'' The pot is replaced with a green {{s|mariowiki|pipe}}. | ||
:#Resembles various yellow Piranha Plants from the | :#Resembles various yellow Piranha Plants from the {{uv|Mario}} series: the [[mariowiki:File:SMB3-NES-PipeKingTransformed.png|transformed king of Pipe Land]] from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros. 3}}'', the {{s|mariowiki|Wild Ptooie Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island}}'' after being struck once, and the {{s|mariowiki|Glad Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Princess Peach}}''. It sits in a magenta pot. | ||
:#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Piranha Creeper}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D World}}''. It sits in a black pipe. | :#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Piranha Creeper}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D World}}''. It sits in a black pipe. | ||
:#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Inky Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D Land}}''. It sits in a red pot. | :#Resembles the {{s|mariowiki|Inky Piranha Plant}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario 3D Land}}''. It sits in a red pot. | ||
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Shouldn't all the characters that appeared in the earlier demos get their Alternate costume art updated completely instead of adding any changes to the older pictures? (Villager and Ridley. Plus Pichu's costumes are in the wrong order) It would make it match everyone else's, and the newer pictures seem to be larger than the demo pics. Plus, the newer pictures do not seem to have that blue background the demos had. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:34, 4 November 2018 (EST) | Shouldn't all the characters that appeared in the earlier demos get their Alternate costume art updated completely instead of adding any changes to the older pictures? (Villager and Ridley. Plus Pichu's costumes are in the wrong order) It would make it match everyone else's, and the newer pictures seem to be larger than the demo pics. Plus, the newer pictures do not seem to have that blue background the demos had. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:34, 4 November 2018 (EST) | ||
:I don't think consistency between the current images is very important, considering they're mostly low-quality hodgepodges, and will all be replaced with nice clean images soon enough. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 22:03, 4 November 2018 (EST ) | |||
The order of Incineroar and Pichu's alternate costumes are wrong. [[User:RandomPerson|RandomPerson]] ([[User talk:RandomPerson|talk]]) 04:31, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Simon / Richter's color palette info == | == Simon / Richter's color palette info == | ||
Did some digging around based on artwork and sprites, and I managed to find most of what Richter's costumes point a reference to. | Did some digging around based on artwork and sprites, and I managed to find most of what Richter's costumes point a reference to. | ||
# | # Rondo of Blood / Harmony of Despair | ||
# | # Christopher Belmont | ||
# | # ??? (maybe death's color palette from HoD? or Maria's DXC/Judgement palette?) | ||
# | # Maria Renard (SotN) | ||
# | # John Morris (artwork) | ||
# | # Symphony of the Night | ||
# | # Alucard | ||
# | # Soma Cruz | ||
And here's what I could locate for Simon's. | And here's what I could locate for Simon's. | ||
# | # Castlevania 4 artwork (brown armor) | ||
# | # Castlevania 2 artwork (red and gold armor) | ||
# | # (original submission is good, but would have guessed Maxim Kischine first) | ||
# | # ??? (wasn't able to find this one) | ||
# | # (original submission is good) | ||
# | # Joachim Armster | ||
# | # Trevor Belmont (sprite) | ||
# | # ??? (or this one) | ||
[[User:Vespacito|Vespacito]] ([[User talk:Vespacito|talk]]) 21:16, 4 November 2018 (EST) | [[User:Vespacito|Vespacito]] ([[User talk:Vespacito|talk]]) 21:16, 4 November 2018 (EST) | ||
:I've already pointed out that Richter's outfits are all from Harmony of Despair, with the Green one being the Curse status in Rondo of Blood. All of Simon's are based on his appearances in the series, rather than other Belmonts. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 11:20, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Imgur post with all skins == | |||
This should help for keeping everything looking the same, plus helps fill in for missing characters. https://imgur.com/a/M2Ol8bB [[User:Vespacito|Vespacito]] ([[User talk:Vespacito|talk]]) 21:18, 4 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== K. Rool outfits == | |||
Not wanting to start another edit war, but I want to clear things up regarding K. Rool's alternate colors. | |||
*The blue, red, and black outfits are from DK: King of Swing's Jungl Jam mode, not references to different colored Kritters in the original game. | |||
*The pink outfit is based on Klump (and to a lesser extent Kannon) from the original game (and its sequel) who is considered to be pink, rather than brown. The only brown Klump was in Barrel Blast, although it's likely that Paon named him Klump not knowing that there was a pre-existing Klunp. | |||
*The Yellow outfit is a reference to Kutlass in the second game, rather than Kopter. The reason being is because of the fact that the outfit matches Kutlass' more than Kopter's, as Kopter is yellow and ''green'' rather than yellow and black. The outfit could also match that of King Zing or Queen B, both Zinger bosses in the first two games. | |||
The Brown outfit coukd represent the Barrel Blast version of Klump, but it closer matches Rock Kroc from the first game, with the green cap referencing the only level where he can be found: Stop and Go Station. | |||
*The white outfit is based on Kudgel from the second game, as he has a similar model to K. Rool, going off of Klubba's in the GBA version, of whom Kudgel is a palette swap of. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 09:41, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
Few pointers: | |||
*The blue, red and black outfits have different colored capes compared to their Jungle Jam counterparts. In Smash, the supposed red outfit has a purple cape, the blue one has an orange-red one and the black one's is maroon with a purple gem. In Jungle Jam, the red one has a green cape, the blue one has a purple one and the gray one (which is in fact noticably lighter than the Smash outfit) bears a yellow cape. Since the cape colors do not match at all, I think it's safer to assume most of these are based on the Kremling minions. | |||
**In fact, I'm not even sure the red alt in Smash is even red, compared to the presumed brown alt. The red alt appears a lot more brown-orange-ish while the brown alt has a ruddy tone (not to mention it has the green cape just like the red Jungle Jam alt). However, I could be mistaken, so I'll wait until we get high quality pictures. | |||
*This is another Piranha Creeper situation, because to me, Klump has looked brown to me, but with a purplish tone. Klump ''has'' looked pink once, though, in Donkey Kong 64, but neither the purple-brown nor the pink skintone resemble the magenta-purple alt of K. Rool anyway. | |||
*Kutlass is a greenish yellow. K. Rool's yellow alt is a bit darker, more of a mustard yellow. In that regard, it resembles Kopter's appearance in DK Barrel Blast... whose colorscheme is in fact (mustard) yellow and black, rather than yellow and very, ''very'' dark green. | |||
*Neither Rock Krok nor Klump are reddish brown like K. Rool's brown alt. | |||
*Kudgel is clearly gray, just like the gray Jungle Jam palette you try to sell as K. Rool's black alt. In fact, K. Rool's gray Jungle Jam palette looks just as gray as Kudgel, so neither would be able to reference both K. Rool's black or white alts. | |||
[[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 20:01, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
Agreed. The mismatch of the capes means that they don't come from King of Swing. It's much more likely they come from reddish, bluish, and blackish Kremlings and Kritters generally than those super specific sprites. I can even pull a couple examples that fit better than the highly saturated King of Swing sprites, and more in line with the ruddy, desaturated colors of the original DKC trilogy. Like yeah he had a Blue and a Red alt, but what game with alts doesn't give almost any character at least red, blue, green, yellow, and either black or white as go to's? [[User:Furballcan|Furballcan]] ([[User talk:Furballcan|talk]]) 03:47, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
Oh, and another thing I forgot to mention, regarding the brown alt supposedly being Rock Kroc: personally, I'd find it a ''HUGE'' stretch if the brown alt's green cape supposedly references the Stop and Go Station level, considering this supposedly refers to their environment rather than their actual design (and it's interchangable green lighting at that, which turns red when deactivating the Rock Krocs). Klump at the very least wore a green helmet and belt in his original design.<br>BTW, a thing regarding your current theory that the white K. Rool alt references [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:DKC2_Beta-Mr._X_Artwork.png Mr X]: first of all, Mr X is bluish gray with no other signs of blue, which automatically makes him a bit of a stretch. Second, I'm not completely sure why Nintendo would reference a beta element that doesn't appear in the final game whatsoever. [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 05:32, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:Again, regarding the Kritters: it's a huge stretch to claim that they are the source of K. Rool's colors, when he already had them in Jungle Jam mode. For [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/85/Kutlass_DKC2_yellow.png Kutlass], he has ''the exact same skin color'' as [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/6/61/Dkc3_idle_kopter.gif Kopter], although Kopter's is slightly greener because of his gear. The Skidda bit is also a stretch since [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/0/07/Skidda.jpg Skidda's belly is white], compared to Klump's which is gold, which also matches the one in the skin. Likewise, Klump was pink ''three times'': The [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/b/b7/Klump_DKC.png original game], as "[https://www.mariowiki.com/images/9/94/Kannon_jumping.png Kanon]" in the second, and then in DK64. Regarding the bit about Mr. X, explain the Dark Samus white skin? "I'm not completely sure why Nintendo would reference a beta element that doesn't appear in the final game whatsoever." When they clearly just did with her, so why not K. Rool? --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 08:24, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
::*Again; the cape colors in Jungle Jam don't match. If those three K. Rool alts in Smash were supposed to reference the Jungle Jam palettes, you'd think they'd give their respective capes the same color. Saying that they could refer to other Kremlings instead, is actually not that huge of a stretch considering there are many, ''many'' red or blue Kremlings, and even some gray ones (it's at least not as huge of a stretch as saying a white alt resembles an unused enemy that's not even white). | |||
::*[https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Kutlass.jpg Official artwork] depict Kutlass bright greenish yellow, not the mustard yellow like the K. Rool alt, as I said before, which much more resembles [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:KopterJet.jpg Kopter rom Barrel Blast]... which I ''also'' said before. | |||
::*I didn't mention Skidda, but his skin color resembles the purple K. Rool alt much more than Klump does. As for the belly, there's still the [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Kritter-DKC-GBA.png Kritters from the GBA port of Donkey Kong Country]. | |||
::**Also, good job picking the ''brownest DKC1 Klump art'' of the bunch. That artwork clearly depicts him as brown, not pink, and [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Klump_DKC_sprite.png so do] [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Klump_DKCGBA_sprite.png his sprites]. | |||
::*I don't think it's an entirely fair comparison. The gray Dark Samus skin still possibly refers to a beta design of Dark Samus. You say that K. Rool's white skin possibly refers to an unused enemy that's being replaced by another enemy. And not only don't either of them have any ties to K. Rool himself (aside from being his minions), but neither of them are even white. It sounds like a bit of a stretch, and I think it rather resembles either [https://www.google.nl/search?q=white+crocodile&client=safari&hl=nl-nl&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOtaWb_7_eAhVCzqQKHceLANYQ_AUIEigB&biw=1024&bih=643 an elusive white crocodile], or possibly nothing in particular (which is extremely possible since there's many Smash alts that don't resemble anything in particular). | |||
::[[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 09:41, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
==Dark Samus== | |||
It appears the seventh color for Dark Samus would be based after Metroid Prime's power beam color. The black and yellow resemble it well, and the maroon appears similar to a [https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/File:Metroid_Prime_Face.png close-up of Metroid Prime's face] in its exoskeleton form. [[User:Crystanium|Crystanium]] ([[User talk:Crystanium|talk]]) 12:26, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
Seeing that the colors are off by a bit, is it possible that the sixth suit's color is actually blue instead of gray? If so, it would probably match [https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/File:Metroid_Prime_face_closeup.jpg Metroid Prime's core form]. [[User:ShadowMario3|ShadowMario3]] ([[User talk:ShadowMario3|talk]]) 23:49, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:You could be right, but I don't think you can make a claim like until the game is out and we get a better sense of how accurate the colors are. However, I find it highly suspect that there is concept art of Dark Samus where she is gray with an red orange visor. I don't see a lot of reason at this point to speculate that it could represent anything else. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 00:08, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
I come bringing another potential color match. The gold Dark Samus may be based off the [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/a/a3/M3_C_Mogenar_ad.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100717034804 Mogenar] from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Both have a golden body with blue lighting. There is also the dull red colors at the ridges of the pauldrons. Or, it could be [https://cdn.wikimg.net/en/strategywiki/images/6/6e/SMetroidGoldenTorizoScreen.png Golden Torizo], although this seems unlikely, simply because it wasn't part of the Metroid Prime trilogy. [[User:Crystanium|Crystanium]] ([[User talk:Crystanium|talk]]) 16:36, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
==Chrom outfits== | |||
For what is shown during the Spirits section of the Direct, Chroms has an outfit based on his nephew Owain, besides from looking very similar, Owain's spirit is possesing him, showing that the costume IS based on him. That outfit is his fourth´s. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Omar2203|Omar2203]] ([[User talk:Omar2203|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omar2203|contribs]]) 19:03, 5 November 2018</small> | |||
==Falco== | |||
The "default" outfit has an error, is based on Star Fox Zero not Star Fox Command. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Omar2203|Omar2203]] ([[User talk:Omar2203|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omar2203|contribs]]) 19:19, 5 November 2018 </small> | |||
:I changed this. Please sign your talk page comments with four tildes: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 20:57, 5 November 2018 (EST) | |||
==Wolf== | |||
His second outfit (Brown) is much more similar to his Star Fox Zero / Star Link outfit than the maroon one where it's currently listed. By virtue of the second costume typically having some significance across the board, and more specifically here - the greenish neckerchief referencing his similarly [http://i.imgur.com/e9SUb6Q.jpg greenish collar] | |||
[[User:Furballcan|Furballcan]] ([[User talk:Furballcan|talk]]) 04:13, 6 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Roy == | |||
It's Not Pink it's Lavender [[Special:Contributions/Starfan13|Starfan13]] 3:18, 7 November 2018 | |||