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::@Toomai: Giant Kirby and Giant Bowser very much appear in future games as part of the many giant characters you fight (it's even already mentioned on this page, so where is that claim coming from), just like there's a ton of other team characters you fight that Kirby team and Yoshi team are not any more special than. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:10, July 2, 2023 (EDT) | ::@Toomai: Giant Kirby and Giant Bowser very much appear in future games as part of the many giant characters you fight (it's even already mentioned on this page, so where is that claim coming from), just like there's a ton of other team characters you fight that Kirby team and Yoshi team are not any more special than. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:10, July 2, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:::You seem to be missing the entire premise here. There is a ''conceptual'' difference between "Giant Kirby" and "Kirby with the giant status", between "Yoshi Team" and "team of Yoshis". There is no ''technical'' difference, but that is not relevant, because the intent of these pages is to be about the ''concept''. The concept of "Giant X" is not particularly special, so those two pages are hard to justify keeping without an extenuating circumstance (as Giant DK has). The concept of "group of Kirbys each with their own copy ability" is unique compared to just "team of X" and appears in two different games, so there is a case to keep it. The concept of "large mob of Yoshis acting in unison instead of just a tag team" is something that originated in Smash Bros. and had a tangible effect on the Mario series, so there is a strong case to keep it. Deleting all of these pages just because they aren't "''technically'' correct" will not improve the wiki. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 19:03, July 2, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::::"'' The concept of "group of Kirbys each with their own copy ability" is unique compared to just "team of X"''" | |||
::::It's nothing more unique than the aforementioned permanently invisible Fox/Falco, or any other single-player battle where the opponent starts with an effect, and there's no relevant information to cover about it that isn't already easily covered in the associated single-player mode pages. | |||
::::"'' The concept of "large mob of Yoshis acting in unison instead of just a tag team" is something that originated in Smash Bros. and had a tangible effect on the Mario series''" | |||
::::Why do you keep peddling this bullshit that I already debunked? Yoshis existing as a species already existed since their inception, and them "acting in unison" was ''was already done in [https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/b/bb/Story_End_7.png Yoshi's Story] where the story's whole premise was the Yoshis working together to get their Happy Tree back'', while it's also a ''very common trope in general for a mob of animals/monsters to work together''. I'll ask again, are we going to claim the Pokemon team in Melee's Adventure mode also "inspired" horde battles in X/Y and all subsequent media depictions of a group of pokemon working together? "Yoshi team" ''did not invent the concept of Yoshis working together''. | |||
::::"''Deleting all of these pages just because they aren't "technically correct" will not improve the wiki.''" | |||
::::Clinging onto ancient pages created in an era of uncodified standards that serve as nothing more than to conglomerate trivia from elsewhere on the wiki on the basis of "people in the past thought we should have it" and fraudulent "this shaped Smash lore!" reasons is not improving the wiki. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:53, July 3, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::::To add, the concept of Yoshis banding together was present in the [[mariowiki:Super Mario Adventures#Issue 34 (March 1992)|34th issue of the ''Super Mario Adventures'' comics]], which was published in the early '90s and based on ''Super Mario World'', making it predate ''Smash 64''. In them, the Yoshis are released from jail and form a stampede to trample Bowser's wedding ceremony. Yoshis as a species seem to take inspiration from animals like horses and other ungulates, from their social nature to their propensity to travel, attack, etc. in groups. It seems more likely that the grouping of Yoshis we see in ''64, Melee, Ultimate,'' and ''TTYD'' is a result of the association of Yoshis with the aforementioned observed phenomena in real world animals rather than a behavior specifically conceived and applied to Yoshis in ''Smash 64'' and then trickled down into later games. Therefore, I don't believe the Yoshi Team article stands on firm enough ground to be kept. <font face="Trebuchet MS">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 17:21, July 6, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::::Hm this (SMW comic) is news to me. I will admit that weakens my stance a lot. I still think the first in-game instance is important, but can't really debate that it isn't the all-important first overall instance. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 15:58, July 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
<small>(Reset indent) </small> I know I'm late to this response, but to respond to your thing about clear Fox and Falco, you ''can'' actually get that permanently in a normal match, you just [[Special Smash#Special Melee|also have to be invisible yourself]]. Regardless, I won't die on the hill to keep a page for the Yoshi and Kirby teams, I was just attempting to understand the logic behind the pages being made in the first place. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 17:14, July 5, 2023 (EDT) | |||
I '''support''' the deletion of this and other indistinct single-player mode opponents ([[Yoshi Team]], [[Mario Bros. (team)]], [[Kirby Team]], and [[Giant Bowser]]). As stated before, there aren't enough unique gameplay aspects about them to justify their pages. [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:05, October 28, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:I '''support''' this assessment. They could easily be merged with each character's respective single-player appearances. --[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #4952eb;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #4952eb;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 12:57, November 29, 2023 (EST) | |||
'''Merge''' with [[Super Mushroom]] since it is the same effect. [[User:Perathian|Perathian]] ([[User talk:Perathian|talk]]) 19:05, November 29, 2023 (EST) | |||