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== Discussion from Smasher== | == Discussion from Smasher== | ||
===Moving Beta Over?=== | ===Moving Beta Over?=== | ||
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::::: Untill something that really allows smashers to play together without prior meditation, such as playing online, if that ever happens, we can't really refine nor define skill sharp enough to make a scale or rating system of anysort. I appologise if I sounded a little bit upset up there when I requested to stop. It could have gotten out of hand VERY quickly if it didn't stop soon. My final point is: Leave the skill level alone, perhaps even the entire template, untill we can really nail something solid down. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 04:59, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | ::::: Untill something that really allows smashers to play together without prior meditation, such as playing online, if that ever happens, we can't really refine nor define skill sharp enough to make a scale or rating system of anysort. I appologise if I sounded a little bit upset up there when I requested to stop. It could have gotten out of hand VERY quickly if it didn't stop soon. My final point is: Leave the skill level alone, perhaps even the entire template, untill we can really nail something solid down. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 04:59, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | ||
How about the CPU level the player can comfortably beat. This provides a 1-9 scale. [[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 14:55, 30 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Any competitive player that has some sort of worth will be able to beat any cpu of any level. Hell, even casuals can beat up level nines with no problem. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:01, 30 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Plus, one's skill level is relative to how they perform against other players. How you do against cpus is irrelevant. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:02, 30 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
===Designs/Future designs=== | ===Designs/Future designs=== | ||
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== Now supports Brawl chars == | == Now supports Brawl chars == | ||
{{ | {{Infobox Smasher|mainssbb=Fox|mainssbm=Fox|2ndmainssbb=Falco}} | ||
With the parameters of | With the parameters of | ||
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Also removed the "third other" from the template. I saw little use for people to be able to add 5 characters (might as well add them all, 10 with brawl included). | Also removed the "third other" from the template. I saw little use for people to be able to add 5 characters (might as well add them all, 10 with brawl included). | ||
Sample code: <tt><nowiki>{{ | Sample code: <tt><nowiki>{{Infobox Smasher|mainssbb=Fox|mainssbm=Fox}}</nowiki></tt> shows the box to the right. | ||
I don't really want to add documentation on this atm, so if someone could see to that? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 00:33, February 20, 2008 (EST) | I don't really want to add documentation on this atm, so if someone could see to that? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 00:33, February 20, 2008 (EST) | ||
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can we use <nowiki>#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}</nowiki> to place all smasher pages in the main namespace to be in "Category:Smasher pages in wrong namespace" or something? [[User:LoganA|Logan]] - <small>([[User talk:LoganA|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/LoganA|Contributions]])</small> 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | can we use <nowiki>#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}</nowiki> to place all smasher pages in the main namespace to be in "Category:Smasher pages in wrong namespace" or something? [[User:LoganA|Logan]] - <small>([[User talk:LoganA|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/LoganA|Contributions]])</small> 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:We can indeed! I'll do that tonight in about an hour and a half. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | :We can indeed! I'll do that tonight in about an hour and a half. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Hmm... there's going to be a few smashers in the main space, such as Ken. What then? I can use a #switch, but I'm hesitant with certain parsers, and that's one of them. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | ::Hmm... there's going to be a few smashers in the main space, such as Ken. What then? I can use a #switch, but I'm hesitant with certain parsers, and that's one of them. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 04:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::What if we add a notable pram along with checking the namespace? If notable=yes then "Category: Notable Smashers, if notable=no or nothing then "Category:Non-notable Smasher pages in wrong namespace", would that work? Then the bot only needs to move the non-notable pages. [[User:LoganA|Logan]] - <small>([[User talk:LoganA|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/LoganA|Contributions]])</small> 12:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | :::What if we add a notable pram along with checking the namespace? If notable=yes then "Category: Notable Smashers, if notable=no or nothing then "Category:Non-notable Smasher pages in wrong namespace", would that work? Then the bot only needs to move the non-notable pages. [[User:LoganA|Logan]] - <small>([[User talk:LoganA|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/LoganA|Contributions]])</small> 12:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Then we have the same issue we have currently with people telling others they're better than they really are. Hrm. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | ::::Then we have the same issue we have currently with people telling others they're better than they really are. Hrm. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 22:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Proposed removal of Brawl code == | == Proposed removal of Brawl code == | ||
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==N64== | ==N64== | ||
The N64 was a console, not a video game. We don't call ''Melee'' "GCN", or ''Brawl'' "Wii", cos that would be dumb. Nor do we call them "SSBM GCN" or "SSBB Wii", cos that too would be dumb. Instead, we call them ''SSBM''/''Melee'' and ''SSBB''/''Brawl''. Why can't we just call ''SSB'' "''SSB''"? '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | The N64 was a console, not a video game. We don't call ''Melee'' "GCN", or ''Brawl'' "Wii", cos that would be dumb. Nor do we call them "SSBM GCN" or "SSBB Wii", cos that too would be dumb. Instead, we call them ''SSBM''/''Melee'' and ''SSBB''/''Brawl''. Why can't we just call ''SSB'' "''SSB''"? '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | ||
:I think SSB64 should be the name used, though I agree with N64 being nonsensical. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Why SSB64? Why not just ''SSB''? We call the series ''Smash'', so there's no confusion, and all the character article titles are in the format "Character (SSB)", so it's just inconsistent to call it anything other than ''SSB'' elsewhere... '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 13:03, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::<s>SSB64 is certainly a [[SW:OFFICIAL|common name]], so it is fine to include it. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 20:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT)</s> | |||
:::Whoops, I misread your post, not seeing that you were only talking about context of Smasherbeta. Yeah, SSB should be fine. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 20:33, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::Consider how the smasher namespace has a bit more of a SmashBoards vocabulary though; using 64 in the name of the game is basically ubiquitous over there. Not agreeing either way just pointing something out. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Keymaster 21:14, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
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Would it be possible to add captions to this? I gave an example using infobox. But then we couldn't use this. [[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 22:13, 15 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Standardization of inputs == | |||
I think we need to smack this with the deprecation hammer again: | |||
* <code>main</code>, <code>2ndmain</code>, <code>other</code>, and <code>2ndother</code> need to have <code>ssbm</code> stuck on the end. | |||
* <code>doublesmain</code> should be <code>doublesmainssbb</code>; <code>doublesmainssb</code> and <code>doublesmainssbm</code> need to be added. | |||
That's the bare minimum as I can see, but is there anything else that we can use this as an opportunity to change? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 14:44, 14 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Bumping this. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 09:09, 17 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::I'd suggest adding the caption feature as suggested by Nocturnal Dragon in the talk post above this one. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 11:05, 17 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::All of the above suggestions by Toom and Rei have my support. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:09, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::I totally agree with you guys. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 18:15, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
There are two things I think should be added: | |||
#A slot for a player's ELO rating. ELO ratings for Melee players can be found on [[SSBPD]], and Brawl players can be found on [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262480 this thread]. For Brawl, a separate ranking for MK legal and banned will be needed. | |||
#A slot for the total amount of money a player has won from verifiable tournaments. While we realistically cannot provide an accurate amount in the smasher space's current condition, once we manage to get full results on a player, we can put on a good estimation. If this idea is implemented, perhaps we should have a slot for each Smash game? (For those that play multiple Smash games competitively). | |||
These things will compliment the "skill" listing, and help readers get a quick idea of how successful the player is in competitive play. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:30, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
I agree with OT. [[User:Bandit|<font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(351.25,100%,50%)'>Bandit</font>]] 23:25, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:As do I. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">DarkFox01</font>]], <small>[[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">E</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="gray">T</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">C</font>]].'''</small> 12:10, 29 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Is There anyone who could add these suggestions?[[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 23:12, 29 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I'm waiting to see if there are any other ideas or objections so they can all get done at once. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 23:14, 29 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Okay, well if no one else comes up with anything in a short time, the requested additions will be made alongside the original deprecations. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 21:23, 2 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Gender== | |||
We need a gender section to represent each user/smasher as a male/female. Should we start a vote on this? [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 15:55, 20 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:No we don't, it's not important nor interesting at all, and will be obvious from either the infobox picture, the name, and/or the pronouns used within the article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:05, 20 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Let's do some voting! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 16:44, 25 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Many things do not need explicit voting, this is one of them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Hammer 17:07, 25 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
I think everyone can tell if a smasher is male or female so no need. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 09:34, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Stop making useless posts that just repeat what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:40, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Sorry. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 10:01, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::I don't think this was entirely useless, The Awesome was encouraging responses, so Dots provided. Other users may not have felt voting was necessary, but The Awesome wanted it, and got one. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:12, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::::Awesome saying "we should have a vote" does not mean you should post something when you have nothing to say, and it is useless when your statement just reiterates what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner (something Dots has been warned many times to stop doing). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:02, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Not to mention that, like, 95% of the Smashers who have articles on this Wiki are male. The female ones get <nowiki>[[:Category:Female smashers|a category to themselves]]</nowiki>. <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 10:16, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Low tier main == | |||
Should a parameter showing people's low tier mains be added? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 11:50, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I don't think it's necessary, as few players have a bonafide "low tier main", and low tier tournaments aren't common enough for players' low tier mains to be prominent. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:56, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||