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I think this is a good idea. It's confusing having to look at both the talk page for an article and at the other page to determine what should or shouldn't be deleted. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | I think this is a good idea. It's confusing having to look at both the talk page for an article and at the other page to determine what should or shouldn't be deleted. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
Agreed. However, there does need to be a page somewhere (I'm not sure if there is) listing what makes an article of deletion quality. It could be as specific or as non-specific as wanted. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | Agreed. However, there does need to be a page somewhere (I'm not sure if there is) listing what makes an article of deletion quality. It could be as specific or as non-specific as wanted. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 22:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Reason for deletion == | == Reason for deletion == | ||
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:Sounds fair to me. Even I'm guillty of not telling the complete story when tagging things for deletion, but to put the onus of starting a discussion on the "tagger" is probably a good idea. I still feel that there's obviously some room for discretion (i.e. we don't need to open a discussion and reach consensus to delete an article on '''MuppetSmasher's Infinite Team Super Sudden Death Falcon Punch Combo''') but I suppose that's what "speedy deletion" is for. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 14:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | :Sounds fair to me. Even I'm guillty of not telling the complete story when tagging things for deletion, but to put the onus of starting a discussion on the "tagger" is probably a good idea. I still feel that there's obviously some room for discretion (i.e. we don't need to open a discussion and reach consensus to delete an article on '''MuppetSmasher's Infinite Team Super Sudden Death Falcon Punch Combo''') but I suppose that's what "speedy deletion" is for. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 14:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Legitimate reasons — it's unfortunate that [[template:d]] doesn't get a fair bit more use, as that's usually how most of the deletions can be handled on a wiki of this size. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | :Legitimate reasons — it's unfortunate that [[template:d]] doesn't get a fair bit more use, as that's usually how most of the deletions can be handled on a wiki of this size. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 17:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I know this is a fairly old page, but I agree. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ::I know this is a fairly old page, but I agree. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::::Don't worry about it (on either count). – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 19:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ::::Don't worry about it (on either count). – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 19:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Firstly, ''you consider'' it to be unnecessary - we could get into a huge debate about what, in the grand scheme of things, truly is "necessary", but I'd much rather not. | :::::Firstly, ''you consider'' it to be unnecessary - we could get into a huge debate about what, in the grand scheme of things, truly is "necessary", but I'd much rather not. | ||
:::::Now to real business. Adding "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" to the talk page is fairly pointless, as you've already said the exact same thing in the delete tag, except that in the delete tag you actually said it in more detail by providing a link to the notability policy. Also, "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" doesn't really have the potential to spark a debate, which is the whole point of starting the discussion page. I would like to draw your attention to | :::::Now to real business. Adding "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" to the talk page is fairly pointless, as you've already said the exact same thing in the delete tag, except that in the delete tag you actually said it in more detail by providing a link to the notability policy. Also, "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" doesn't really have the potential to spark a debate, which is the whole point of starting the discussion page. I would like to draw your attention to this page ''(Puckgood - the page has since been deleted)'', which I tagged for deletion, and which I immediately followed up with ''(Talk:Puckgood - the page has since been deleted)''. That's what I think all deletion proposals should be like, but then again I wrote it, so I am naturally biased. | ||
:::::By the way, thanks for the support on my RfR. I think my favourite part of your comment was "plenty intelligent". '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 12:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | :::::By the way, thanks for the support on my RfR. I think my favourite part of your comment was "plenty intelligent". '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 12:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::Of course it's pointless, that's sorta the point I was trying to make. All the addenda say is that you have to post a rationale on the talkpage. If the sum total of your rationale is "This page is not notable," then that's really all you can write on the talk page or the tag. | ::::::Of course it's pointless, that's sorta the point I was trying to make. All the addenda say is that you have to post a rationale on the talkpage. If the sum total of your rationale is "This page is not notable," then that's really all you can write on the talk page or the tag. | ||
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Last call for comments before I alter the template. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 03:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | Last call for comments before I alter the template. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 03:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Before you change it, please put the version you want to change it to on this talkpage, along with the current version for comparison. That way people can tell immediately what the changes will be, so no one can complain about the changes as they would have had ample opportunity to see exactly what was being proposed. Thanks, '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | :Before you change it, please put the version you want to change it to on this talkpage, along with the current version for comparison. That way people can tell immediately what the changes will be, so no one can complain about the changes as they would have had ample opportunity to see exactly what was being proposed. Thanks, '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Alright. This is what we currently have: | |||
{| class="messagebox" style="background: #FFEEEE;" | |||
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|'''This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} | |||
|Category=category | |||
|Help=help page | |||
|Template=template | |||
|SmashWiki=project page | |||
|Image=image | |||
|Smasher=Smasher article | |||
|#default=article | |||
}} is being considered for deletion in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].'''<br />Please discuss this nomination on this article's '''[[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]'''.<br />Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed until the discussion is closed.<br />{{#if:{{{1|}}}|The editor who added this tag believes this page should be deleted for the following reason: "'''{{{1}}}'''"}}<br /> | |||
<small>'''To the nominator:''' please remember to post your rationale on this article's [[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br />'''To all users:''' if the nominator has not posted about this deletion on this article's [[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]], this notice may be removed by any user.</small> | |||
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:::I was intending to change it to look something more like this: | |||
{| class="messagebox" style="background: #FFEEEE;" | |||
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|'''This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} | |||
|Category=category | |||
|Help=help page | |||
|Template=template | |||
|SmashWiki=project page | |||
|Image=image | |||
|Smasher=Smasher article | |||
|#default=article | |||
}} is being considered for deletion in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].'''<br />If you disagree with this page's deletion, please explain why on its '''[[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]'''. <br />{{#if:{{{1|}}}|The editor who added this tag believes this page should be deleted for the following reason: "'''{{{1}}}'''"}}<br /> | |||
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:::I'm also happy to add additional text about not removing the tag without consensus to do so or stating that the article's creator shouldn't remove the tag or anything along those lines if people prefer; the wording that I've provided is similar to that used on GuildWiki/PvXWiki/The Guild Wars Wiki. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 20:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::I'd prefer it with the text centered, and in a box of a more appropriate size, but that's just a matter of aesthetics. The content is what matters, and I think you should keep the "feel free to edit this article" and "this notice must not be removed", otherwise people will be tempted to just remove them. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'm thinking about something like this: | |||
{| class="messagebox" style="background: #FFEEEE; text-align:center" | |||
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|'''This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} | |||
|Category=category | |||
|Help=help page | |||
|Template=template | |||
|SmashWiki=project page | |||
|Image=image | |||
|Smasher=Smasher article | |||
|#default=article | |||
}} is being considered for deletion in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].'''{{#if:{{{1|}}}|<br />The editor who added this tag believes this page should be deleted for the following reason: "'''{{{1}}}'''"}}<br /><small>If you disagree with this page's deletion, please explain why on its '''[[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]'''.<br />Feel free to edit this page, but it must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed until the discussion is closed.</small> | |||
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:::::(You can't tell without looking at the code, but any reason the proposer adds will be placed between the first and second lines.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 23:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Change "article" to "page"?== | |||
Something that keeps bugging me about this and [[Template:Speedy Delete|the speedy deletion template]] is the fact that if you put it on a user page it will say "This '''article''' is being considered for deletion" blah blah blah. But....user pages aren't articles lol (or are they?). Yeah I know extremely minor nitpick that you'll almost never care about especially since for the most part any user page that gets tagged for deletion usually gets through (I think there's only been [[SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 3#Userpage deletion|one time]] it didn't), but I think it would be better if the <code>#default</code> text is changed from "article" to "page" which would be an acceptable catchall for stuff in the mainspace as well. Thoughts? - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 03:34, 10 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I'm against it, generally because calling any article that's not a userpage a "page" is generally a pretty big pet peeve of mine. It sounds less professional than "article" overall to me. Plus, changing a template for just one part of SmashWiki seems pretty over-dramatic, if you ask me. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 03:44, 10 July 2017 (EDT) | |||