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I think this is a good idea. It's confusing having to look at both the talk page for an article and at the other page to determine what should or shouldn't be deleted. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | I think this is a good idea. It's confusing having to look at both the talk page for an article and at the other page to determine what should or shouldn't be deleted. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
Agreed. However, there does need to be a page somewhere (I'm not sure if there is) listing what makes an article of deletion quality. It could be as specific or as non-specific as wanted. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | Agreed. However, there does need to be a page somewhere (I'm not sure if there is) listing what makes an article of deletion quality. It could be as specific or as non-specific as wanted. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 22:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Reason for deletion == | == Reason for deletion == | ||
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:Sounds fair to me. Even I'm guillty of not telling the complete story when tagging things for deletion, but to put the onus of starting a discussion on the "tagger" is probably a good idea. I still feel that there's obviously some room for discretion (i.e. we don't need to open a discussion and reach consensus to delete an article on '''MuppetSmasher's Infinite Team Super Sudden Death Falcon Punch Combo''') but I suppose that's what "speedy deletion" is for. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 14:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | :Sounds fair to me. Even I'm guillty of not telling the complete story when tagging things for deletion, but to put the onus of starting a discussion on the "tagger" is probably a good idea. I still feel that there's obviously some room for discretion (i.e. we don't need to open a discussion and reach consensus to delete an article on '''MuppetSmasher's Infinite Team Super Sudden Death Falcon Punch Combo''') but I suppose that's what "speedy deletion" is for. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 14:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Legitimate reasons — it's unfortunate that [[template:d]] doesn't get a fair bit more use, as that's usually how most of the deletions can be handled on a wiki of this size. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | :Legitimate reasons — it's unfortunate that [[template:d]] doesn't get a fair bit more use, as that's usually how most of the deletions can be handled on a wiki of this size. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 17:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I know this is a fairly old page, but I agree. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ::I know this is a fairly old page, but I agree. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::::Don't worry about it (on either count). – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 19:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ::::Don't worry about it (on either count). – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 19:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Firstly, ''you consider'' it to be unnecessary - we could get into a huge debate about what, in the grand scheme of things, truly is "necessary", but I'd much rather not. | :::::Firstly, ''you consider'' it to be unnecessary - we could get into a huge debate about what, in the grand scheme of things, truly is "necessary", but I'd much rather not. | ||
:::::Now to real business. Adding "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" to the talk page is fairly pointless, as you've already said the exact same thing in the delete tag, except that in the delete tag you actually said it in more detail by providing a link to the notability policy. Also, "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" doesn't really have the potential to spark a debate, which is the whole point of starting the discussion page. I would like to draw your attention to | :::::Now to real business. Adding "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" to the talk page is fairly pointless, as you've already said the exact same thing in the delete tag, except that in the delete tag you actually said it in more detail by providing a link to the notability policy. Also, "Notability? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" doesn't really have the potential to spark a debate, which is the whole point of starting the discussion page. I would like to draw your attention to this page ''(Puckgood - the page has since been deleted)'', which I tagged for deletion, and which I immediately followed up with ''(Talk:Puckgood - the page has since been deleted)''. That's what I think all deletion proposals should be like, but then again I wrote it, so I am naturally biased. | ||
:::::By the way, thanks for the support on my RfR. I think my favourite part of your comment was "plenty intelligent". '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 12:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | :::::By the way, thanks for the support on my RfR. I think my favourite part of your comment was "plenty intelligent". '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 12:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::Of course it's pointless, that's sorta the point I was trying to make. All the addenda say is that you have to post a rationale on the talkpage. If the sum total of your rationale is "This page is not notable," then that's really all you can write on the talk page or the tag. | |||
::::::I took a look at the page to which you requested that I turn my attention. First of all, you don't need any kind of consensus to move a Smasher page into the Smasher namespace; you can simply do it -- with a handful of exceptions for very, very notable smashers like Ken, all Smasher pages belong in the Smasher namespace and should be moved there accordingly. Second of all, there's really no difference whatsoever between writing "Not notable as per [[SW:NOTE]]" on the tag and writing "I propose that this article be deleted in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Notability|notability policy]]" on the talk page. There's some minor semantic difference, perhaps, but the meaning is identical for all practical intents and purposes. Yes, one represents a formal proposal whereas the other is a declarative statement, but, frankly, it's just as easy to debate the second as the first. In fact, aside from the fact that you provide a link on the talk page that you don't provide on the tag (and you could have easily put that link on the tag), I fail to see how you've provided a more meaningful rationale on the talk page than on the tag. It seems to me that the link you've provided is, if anything, an excellent example of why (I suspect) most people would deem creating a talk page unnecessary work; the information you put on the talk page is entirely redundant to the information on the tag. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 16:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I didn't want to move it, I wanted it to be deleted. Moving it was the last resort as it just created two new pages for deletion, and two new redirects to them. It doubled the number of pages that needed to be deleted because of that one article. | |||
:::::::I accept that the talk page was redundant given that its content was covered by the blurb in the tag, but it was necessary according to the rules. I don't know how you've done it <s>(probably by supporting my RfR)</s>, but you've somehow made me think you're entirely right about this. The tag should be enough, but isn't according to the rules. The talk page could easily be started by someone opposing the delete, as the question should be whether or not the article's existence is justified. Congratulations: you win. I'm now anti-addenda. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 16:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
Unless somebody has an objection within the next couple of days, I'm going to replace the addenda with a line saying "If you disagree with the deletion of this page, please explain why on the discussion page" or something along those lines. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 23:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I'm okay with that. So long as there's still a link to the discussion page in the tag itself, that way any admin thinking of deleting a page is warned that the deletion is probably being discussed. I know there's already a link to the discussion page at the top right of the article, but on the current tag there are three links (which is too many). One should be enough to gently remind people that the discussion page exists. By the way, congratulations on your newly gained adminship. :D '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 06:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
Last call for comments before I alter the template. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 03:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Before you change it, please put the version you want to change it to on this talkpage, along with the current version for comparison. That way people can tell immediately what the changes will be, so no one can complain about the changes as they would have had ample opportunity to see exactly what was being proposed. Thanks, '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::Alright. This is what we currently have: | |||
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|'''This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} | |||
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|Smasher=Smasher article | |||
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}} is being considered for deletion in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].'''<br />Please discuss this nomination on this article's '''[[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]'''.<br />Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed until the discussion is closed.<br />{{#if:{{{1|}}}|The editor who added this tag believes this page should be deleted for the following reason: "'''{{{1}}}'''"}}<br /> | |||
<small>'''To the nominator:''' please remember to post your rationale on this article's [[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br />'''To all users:''' if the nominator has not posted about this deletion on this article's [[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]], this notice may be removed by any user.</small> | |||
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:::I was intending to change it to look something more like this: | |||
{| class="messagebox" style="background: #FFEEEE;" | |||
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|'''This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} | |||
|Category=category | |||
|Help=help page | |||
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|SmashWiki=project page | |||
|Image=image | |||
|Smasher=Smasher article | |||
|#default=article | |||
}} is being considered for deletion in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].'''<br />If you disagree with this page's deletion, please explain why on its '''[[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]'''. <br />{{#if:{{{1|}}}|The editor who added this tag believes this page should be deleted for the following reason: "'''{{{1}}}'''"}}<br /> | |||
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:::I'm also happy to add additional text about not removing the tag without consensus to do so or stating that the article's creator shouldn't remove the tag or anything along those lines if people prefer; the wording that I've provided is similar to that used on GuildWiki/PvXWiki/The Guild Wars Wiki. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 20:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::I'd prefer it with the text centered, and in a box of a more appropriate size, but that's just a matter of aesthetics. The content is what matters, and I think you should keep the "feel free to edit this article" and "this notice must not be removed", otherwise people will be tempted to just remove them. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'm thinking about something like this: | |||
{| class="messagebox" style="background: #FFEEEE; text-align:center" | |||
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|'''This {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} | |||
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|Smasher=Smasher article | |||
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}} is being considered for deletion in accordance with the [[SmashWiki:Deletion policy|deletion policy]].'''{{#if:{{{1|}}}|<br />The editor who added this tag believes this page should be deleted for the following reason: "'''{{{1}}}'''"}}<br /><small>If you disagree with this page's deletion, please explain why on its '''[[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]'''.<br />Feel free to edit this page, but it must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed until the discussion is closed.</small> | |||
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:::::(You can't tell without looking at the code, but any reason the proposer adds will be placed between the first and second lines.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 23:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Change "article" to "page"?== | |||
Something that keeps bugging me about this and [[Template:Speedy Delete|the speedy deletion template]] is the fact that if you put it on a user page it will say "This '''article''' is being considered for deletion" blah blah blah. But....user pages aren't articles lol (or are they?). Yeah I know extremely minor nitpick that you'll almost never care about especially since for the most part any user page that gets tagged for deletion usually gets through (I think there's only been [[SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 3#Userpage deletion|one time]] it didn't), but I think it would be better if the <code>#default</code> text is changed from "article" to "page" which would be an acceptable catchall for stuff in the mainspace as well. Thoughts? - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 03:34, 10 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I'm against it, generally because calling any article that's not a userpage a "page" is generally a pretty big pet peeve of mine. It sounds less professional than "article" overall to me. Plus, changing a template for just one part of SmashWiki seems pretty over-dramatic, if you ask me. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 03:44, 10 July 2017 (EDT) | |||