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:::Well, look at it like this. Admins already have the power to shut RfR's, in fact, any user can, as long as it is for a valid reason. For example, I think it was Pikamander who shut KP's third attempt, even though he wasn't an admin. Miles closed Oxico's recently, so if we can't get Angela to change the function, we can make a system that allows admins to pass rollback, archive it, then contact CHawk so he can promote without having to make the decision himself. The alternative is to promote another bureacrat, but I don't think that's necessary. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' | :::Well, look at it like this. Admins already have the power to shut RfR's, in fact, any user can, as long as it is for a valid reason. For example, I think it was Pikamander who shut KP's third attempt, even though he wasn't an admin. Miles closed Oxico's recently, so if we can't get Angela to change the function, we can make a system that allows admins to pass rollback, archive it, then contact CHawk so he can promote without having to make the decision himself. The alternative is to promote another bureacrat, but I don't think that's necessary. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' | ||
::::Or you guys could take chill pills. :) The wiki isn't going anywhere anytime soon, though if you think something is dragging, go drag CHawk into it. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | ::::Or you guys could take chill pills. :) The wiki isn't going anywhere anytime soon, though if you think something is dragging, go drag CHawk into it. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 04:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::What is that supposed to mean? We're trying to lessen Aaron's load, not make more work for him. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' | :::::What is that supposed to mean? We're trying to lessen Aaron's load, not make more work for him. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' | ||
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Thoughts? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="firebrick"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lightcoral">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lightcoral">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC) | Thoughts? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="firebrick"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lightcoral">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lightcoral">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Feel free to make the necessary change for the first. Ambivalent toward the third. The second: Rollback isn't a promotion; only a tool granted to those who need it. That we have a full process for it is silly, but it satisfies those who want the whole "PLEASE SUPPORT ME BECUZ IT MAEKS ME FEEL GUD!" :). --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | :Feel free to make the necessary change for the first. Ambivalent toward the third. The second: Rollback isn't a promotion; only a tool granted to those who need it. That we have a full process for it is silly, but it satisfies those who want the whole "PLEASE SUPPORT ME BECUZ IT MAEKS ME FEEL GUD!" :). --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 03:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::Yeah, minimum account age was something I was unsure about too. I was thinking about putting in an exception line something like "exceptions may be made for users who are clearly wiki-capable from the outset" but of course that's nebulous. I was also unsure about the artificla discussion limit, but it seemed like a good idea to force discussions to be minimal; it can probably be removed with no problem. | ::Yeah, minimum account age was something I was unsure about too. I was thinking about putting in an exception line something like "exceptions may be made for users who are clearly wiki-capable from the outset" but of course that's nebulous. I was also unsure about the artificla discussion limit, but it seemed like a good idea to force discussions to be minimal; it can probably be removed with no problem. | ||
::Yes, that losing criteria is worded well, and rollback should be re-applied for. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 23:59, 14 March 2011 (EDT) | ::Yes, that losing criteria is worded well, and rollback should be re-applied for. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 23:59, 14 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:It's a pretty good idea, though I don't see anything wrong for the old system.[[User:T.testLP|T.testLP]]<small>[[User Talk:T.testLP|The Communicator]]|[[Special:Contributions/T.testLP|The...Whatever]][[File:GanondorfHead.png|20px]]Ganondorf da bess!</small> 02:23, 15 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Problem was, it was too much for something so little. Rollback is something that is minor, yet the RfR process turned into people campaigning for it. Go take a look at previous RfRs, and you'll see. We don't need a RfA type process for rollback. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:27, 15 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
Well, I'd kind of like to get this implemented soon if no one has a problem with it. How about Monday (the 21st)? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 19:05, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I say implement it now, no need to delay when sufficient time has passed and no one is speaking in opposition. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:58, 18 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
There is not much spamming going on so perhaps you should save it for a more important time, but im no admin or buerocrat so, im fine eather way--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 11:23, 18 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:The matter of if there is no frequent vandalism/spamming is irrelevant to whether Toomai's proposed system is more desirable than the system we had before, which is what this discussion is based on. Also, you don't need to be an admin or bureaucrat to take part in these discussions, though your comment will have to be relevant to the discussion for it to be taken into consideration. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
Alright I'm going to implement this now. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 11:29, 21 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
== The three required links == | |||
Shouldn't they be from separate vandal incidents? Someone being around one time during a mass vandal attack from one user could give them plenty of reverts, but not necessarily show they should have rollback. Perhaps that was the first time the user ever done some reverting, or they are a mostly inactive user who was just on at that time. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:30, 8 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Seeing rare vandal attacks are these days, I don't know if I support this. If vandalism was more common then I certainly would. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>ӄ<font color=#6E0000>ԏ<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 10:44, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Agreeing with the above. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 13:38, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::Even if vandal attacks are scarce, what I said still holds true, and we shouldn't allow rollback to be instantly obtainable because a vandal came along that vandalised multiple pages. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:52, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::Agree. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 14:42, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::<small>edit conflict</small> @OT: Yes we should, in case we have an army of vandals that come along. Vandalism is very scarce, but when it comes, it comes in large amounts, so 1) if we implement your proposal rollback would be nearly impossible to attain, and we wouldn't have the rollbackers to deal with the mass vandalism we have every once in awhile. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>ӄ<font color=#6E0000>ԏ<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 14:45, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::::some users that deserves rollback sometimes didnt get them just because they're offline? [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">(°(..)°)'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Pigs''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 15:02, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::::What? <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 15:02, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::::::sorry, it's midnight here, my brain didnt work well... I mean yeah I agree [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">(°(..)°)'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Pigs''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 15:06, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::::A glaring flaw in the current set up shouldn't be handwaved just so rollback can be easier to obtain, which allows it to be obtained by users who haven't proven they would have a use for it or understand how to use it properly. The amount of vandalism is completely irrelevant to this. And your example is flawed; regardless of if users have rollback or not, they can still revert any vandalism that comes along. If this "army of vandals" came along, users could still revert their edits if they don't have rollback. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:15, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::::I guess I agree with OmegaTyrant then. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 15:45, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
Not to detract from RoyboyX's RfR, but in his RfR, his links to support him were [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Megatron1&curid=14&diff=377988&oldid=377987 this], [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Megatron1&curid=14&diff=377989&oldid=377988 this], and [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Megatron1&curid=14&diff=377991&oldid=377990 this]. It was essentially the same revert multiplied three times. Does reverting the same vandal edit three times in short succession really show an understanding when rollback should be used, and that user would make sufficient use of rollback in general? | |||
With the current RfR setup though, this was considered enough, when in reality it isn't. Plus, with the current setup, one single massive vandal attack (such as another attack from Poopy), and everyone online at the time would suddenly be able to obtain rollback, regardless of how active they actually are at reverting vandalism. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:50, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
I'll also like to point out, we currently have 10 active users with access to rollback (with some more users who had more than enough reverts in the past that they could obtain it if they apply, such as HavocReaper). So it's not like we have a severe lack of users with rollback to justify making it easier to obtain. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:56, 10 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:You win. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>ӄ<font color=#6E0000>ԏ<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 00:18, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
== A question == | |||
1. "Applications which do not follow this format may be cancelled by an admin or bureaucrat. The user in question may immediately apply again. A third incorrect application will result in you not being allowed to apply for a month." | |||
2. "If your RfR fails, you may not make another one for a month (i.e. if it fails on the 15th, you must wait until the 15th of the next month to try again)." | |||
This has always bugged me. Is this just an error, or is there something I'm missing? ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 08:57, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
:The first thing is saying, if you make your RfR incorrectly (such as not replacing YourUsername with your user name), it would be cancelled, but not failed. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:31, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | |||