SmashWiki talk:Notability/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

== Some old stuff ==

Should this become an actual policy, it would definitely cut down on the number of people who simply come here, make a smasher/crew article about themselves, then do nothing but talk the rest of the time on SW...such as [[User:The blue blur|this guy]]. These people generally don't even compete at all, making the articles really not worth more than joke pages. However, the one thing that does slightly bother me is the "regional tournament" thing. I understand that if someone competes in NO tournaments (maybe just 1 or 2), then they shouldn't have an article. But really, must the tournament be on such a large scale? I've been in about 5 tournaments so far and I'm probably gonna enter one this week, but since I can't travel and these tournaments are online, does that make my smasher article invalid? What about my crew article? We are competitive, and while it's on a smaller scale then, say, [[Combo Status]], we are competitive nonetheless. I just wanna know where the "in-between" Smashers like myself would stand in this scenario. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 08:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Over at FFXIclopedia, where I'm a Jr. Admin, we have a policy of no pages based on players aside from their own user pages. Letting people make their own pages about themselves, even people of significant note leads to insufferable epeen contests that detract from the professionalism a wikia wiki should have. So, I guess I support and don't support this idea. I support the part about not letting smashers and crews of no note have a page, but, I don't support the part where players of the game get a page. [[User:Lordshadow|Lordshadow]] ([[User talk:Lordshadow|talk]]) 06:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, guess what.  I'm the equivalent of a senior admin on ''this'' wiki, where we have always allowed smasher and crew pages about important players.  You see, unlike in an MMORPG, there is an actual competitive scene outside of the regular "game world" if you will.  People that are professionals ''should'' get pages as they are absolutely instrumental in the creation of many of the techniques and strategies that are used by all players.  We are not going to get rid of the smasher pages for the [[Ken Hoang|legit]] [[Smasher:Azen|smashers]]; the discussion is what to do about the obscure and/or irrelevant ones.  I thank you for trying to contribute, but please understand that your situation on FFXIwhatever is not the same as it is here where we have different standards.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 06:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Fair enough.  I'll admit that I'm biased against MMOs.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

:What's that? I heard a ring. Sounds like the pleasant sound of me, your resident Guru/Troll, about to chime in.  See, this project was started by SmashBoards, and its purpose is to serve as the concrete source for all things Smash Brothers, including professional players. We understand that this breaks traditionally with what many other gaming Wikias include as content. Frankly, we don't care. The Smasher pages are an important part of our content here, as there is an active and popular competitive scene. Now, I understand your concern about professionalism. That is precisely the motivation of this policy. The inclusion of an independent Smasher namespace created an influx of Smasher pages created without legitimate content.  This was not remedied by the standing administration, and I've had it in my crosshairs for a long time. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you have no analogue to our professionals, and including prominent players on your wiki would not serve your content. This wiki serves both content on the game and the burgeoning scene, its major players, and its progress and history, which we here look upon as a noble and legitimate pursuit. We don't have problems with 'E-penis' contests because everything is independently verifiable.  The other resources for competitive Smash Brothers keep records on the professionals, so unverified data, up until the creation of the namespace, was filtered out. Now, we have several policies in need of approval that would return 'professionalism' as the standard of our pages. With that in mind, I would recommend rephrasing your last sentence thusly: 'So, I guess I support <s> and don't support</s> this idea. I support the part about not letting smashers and crews of no note have a page <s>, but,</s> '''and''' I <s>don't</s> support the part where players of the game get a page.' [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 06:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Ok, a few more that I'm wondering about ==

I would say that faq writers and appearances on power rankings count. The faq writers fall under 'has contributed content to websites pertained to Super Smash Bros' and the power rankings falls under 'Can prove legitimate regional or national notoriety otherwise not covered by these guidelines.' [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 03:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I was hoping for some flexibility in the rule while still shaping it in the right direction. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:56, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

::::Flexibility --> ambiguity --> trouble. The wording needs to be rigid, or else people (most importantly, the Admins who have to decide whether or not a smasher is notable) will get confused. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 23:36, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Protection==

I think all smasher pages should be protected. As they're actual people we have to be careful about not being Libelous. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:48, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is full of pages on actual people, and as far as I know they aren't protected any more often than the average page. I fail to see the point here. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:12, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

:I'd prefer to have the placing be flexible depending on attendance (i.e. top 20% of a major or 10% of a large regional), but it looks great otherwise. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:15, 26 January 2016 (EST)

::That sounds like a better idea, honestly. I would say that top 25% on a major and 10% of a large regional sees fair. Right now I'm just waiting for more input before we can get this implemented. The goal here is to reduce confusion when it comes to smasher articles of questionable notability. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:06, 27 January 2016 (EST)