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I suggested this [[Talk:Kongo Jungle#Proposed moves...|in the past]] but Miles shot me down at the time. Now that there are two games that name it with a 'K' rather than just one with a 'C', I'm going to again say we should move it to '''Kongo Jungle (SSB)''' [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 21:59, 9 November 2014 (EST)
I suggested this [[Talk:Kongo Jungle#Proposed moves...|in the past]] but Miles shot me down at the time. Now that there are two games that name it with a 'K' rather than just one with a 'C', I'm going to again say we should move it to '''Kongo Jungle (SSB)''' [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 21:59, 9 November 2014 (EST)
:The current 2-to-1 is what's leaning me towards saying we should move it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:02, 9 November 2014 (EST)
:The current 2-to-1 is what's leaning me towards saying we should move it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:02, 9 November 2014 (EST)
::If we're going to move it, I'd really prefer '''Kongo Jungle 64''' more than '''Kongo Jungle (SSB)'''. And if we use that we wouldn't have to move [[Kongo Jungle]], just add a little "you may be looking for" thing. But even if everyone calls me an idiot for this, it should definitely be moved to one of the two. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 22:04, 9 November 2014 (EST)
::If we're going to move it, I'd really prefer '''Kongo Jungle 64''' more than '''Kongo Jungle (SSB)'''. And if we use that we wouldn't have to move {{SSBM|Kongo Jungle}}, just add a little "you may be looking for" thing. But even if everyone calls me an idiot for this, it should definitely be moved to one of the two. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 22:04, 9 November 2014 (EST)
:::I think '''Kongo Jungle 64''' makes more sense.<br/>
:::I think '''Kongo Jungle 64''' makes more sense.<br/>
:::[[User:Zrksyd|Zrksyd]] ([[User talk:Zrksyd|talk]]) 22:13, 9 November 2014 (EST)
:::[[User:Zrksyd|Zrksyd]] ([[User talk:Zrksyd|talk]]) 22:13, 9 November 2014 (EST)
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:::I was talking about specifically with N64 at the end (in the Random Stage Switch). It didn't have it with past stages. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 11:45, 12 November 2014 (EST)
:::I was talking about specifically with N64 at the end (in the Random Stage Switch). It didn't have it with past stages. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 11:45, 12 November 2014 (EST)
Is it safe to move? There's 7 supports that I can count, and 2 opposes. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 14:05, 14 November 2014 (EST)
Is it safe to move? There's 7 supports that I can count, and 2 opposes. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 14:05, 14 November 2014 (EST)
I'm moving it. 7:2 in support is a much larger consensus than the 2:1 in opposition from last time. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 14:53, 14 November 2014 (EST)
I'm moving it. 7:2 in support is a much larger consensus than the 2:1 in opposition from last time. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 14:53, 14 November 2014 (EST)
A few people have asked me to make a post here since I haven't yet - which is because I'm squarely on the fence. There is precedent for moving a page to a newer name - namely, [[Super Star]] from "Starman" - and this case should be stronger because the newer name is used more than the older name (unlike Super Star). However, a returning stage is a different matter - stages tend to be more firmly rooted in specific games than other elements (everyone says "Delfino Plaza is a Brawl stage", but no one says that "Assist Trophy is a Brawl item" or "Zelda is a Melee character"), and keeping the "C" spelling has the additional advantage of not resorting to the "Name (game)" format. So yeah, lotta words with no results. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 16:01, 14 November 2014 (EST)
:As we've said, it's more consistent this way. Plus, with now the majority of the games featuring it using the 'K' spelling, it's pretty clear the original was a typo. As I said last time this was brought up, we don't call the original Battlefield and Final Destination articles Duel Zone and Master Hand's Residence (because, as Miles said last time, the latter incarnations were consistent with the naming, as this now is), and there's really no point in keeping the typo name just for differentiation. Let's stay with the conventions we've established for every other stage here. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:28, 14 November 2014 (EST)
... So... is there a verdict yet? It's five days after the last post, so talk on the issue appears to have finished. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:36, 19 November 2014 (EST)
Last chance for opposition to the move. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:32, 21 November 2014 (EST)
I'd just like to throw my support towards the change also. Congo Jungle, which is a real region, was obviously just there as an error. If Smash 64 had gotten revisions like OoT I bet it would have been fixed way back there too. Congo Jungle should just redirect. [[User:ZestyLemon|ZestyLemon]] ([[User talk:ZestyLemon|talk]]) 02:18, 23 November 2014 (EST)
:The Tips menu calls it "Kongo Jungle (64)", for move support. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 09:25, 24 November 2014 (EST)


==Default Track List for {{forwiiu}}?==
==Default Track List for {{forwiiu}}?==
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:That image is for the Wii U version, though. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 23:35, 10 November 2014 (EST)
:That image is for the Wii U version, though. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 23:35, 10 November 2014 (EST)
::I say that in the title. I was just pointing out that Kongo Jungle was brought back for the 3DS version as well. [[User:Lumastar|<span style="color:junglegreen">Lumastar</span>]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|<span style="color:blue>talk]]) [[Image: Lumastar Green Luma.jpg|30px ]] [[User:Lumastar|Lumastar]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|talk]]) 07:55, 11 November 2014 (EST)
::I say that in the title. I was just pointing out that Kongo Jungle was brought back for the 3DS version as well. [[User:Lumastar|<span style="color:junglegreen">Lumastar</span>]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|<span style="color:blue>talk]]) [[Image: Lumastar Green Luma.jpg|30px ]] [[User:Lumastar|Lumastar]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|talk]]) 07:55, 11 November 2014 (EST)
I found a video with an interesting point related to this stage and [[Smashville]]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EqS_TmDIak0. Notice how a large amount of songs for both the Donkey Kong and Animal Crossing franchises are all labelled NEW (meaning they had to be unlocked). Also notice how the song leaked for Kongo Jungle 64 are all labelled NEW (in addition to ''Donkey Kong Country Returns (Vocal Mix)'', which 1) was originally thought to appear on [[Jungle Hijinxs]] but is not on the default track list and 2) would fit well on the stage that has been confirmed to contain the original version through Beanman25jr's footage of the stage). As for the Animal Crossing tracks, they all appeared on Smashville in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]'' (except for ''Tortimer Island Melody''). I have what I think to be a strong hypothesis about what this means: these tracks are all starters on Kongo Jungle 64 and Smashville, respectively. While it is harder to confirm since the tracks are all from different franchises, it should be pointed out that a large influx of NES tracks labelled with NEW appear around the end of the list and could be starters on the [[Duck Hunt]] stage. If there is no opposition, I would like to go under the assumption that the My Music leak is correct and that the tracks from the image all appear on this stage. We can handle the other two stages later. [[Image: Lumastar Green Luma.jpg|30px ]] [[User:Lumastar|Lumastar]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|talk]]) 23:38, 14 November 2014 (EST)
== Visibility ==
How are certain colors for characters hard to see if the player cursor is always above them? [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 09:59, 2 November 2016 (EDT)
:The cursor is only shown when the camera is zoomed far out. Plus, it might still be hard to see what exactly the character is doing. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 10:05, 2 November 2016 (EDT)
== Tournament Legality ==
Honestly, I think this stage should be allowed in tournaments as the lighting has improved since SSB1, so you can easily see characters, and the stage itself doesn't contain any truly disruptive features. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 10:30, 23 February 2019 (EST)
:For the time being, no major tournaments have allowed this to be legal, so that's why it's stated as banned on our wiki. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 10:32, 23 February 2019 (EST)