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 ''SSB4'': Mario, Fox, Sheik, Mewtwo, Diddy Kong, Zero Suit Samus, Sonic, Rosalina, Ryu
-''Ultimate'': Mario, Yoshi, Fox, Pikachu, Peach/Daisy, Mr. Game and Watch, Roy, Pichu, Zero Suit Samus, Pokémon Trainer, Wario, R.O.B., Snake, Wolf, Greninja, Palutena, Mega Man, Lucina, Inkling, Joker
+''Ultimate'': Mario, Yoshi, Fox, Pikachu, Peach/Daisy, Mr. Game and Watch, Roy, Pichu, Zero Suit Samus, Pokémon Trainer, Wario, R.O.B., Snake, Wolf, Greninja, Palutena, Mega Man, Lucina, Inkling, Joker ('''Edit:''' Ness, Diddy Kong, Cloud, Steve)
 <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 03:35, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
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 :::I feel like you're taking OT's statements a bit too personally. While he's been rather adamant on keeping Wolf to 10, on the other hand none of us have really provided much of an argument aside from "''Ultimate'' has a large playerbase" and stuff like that. That's why I asked him which players in the list does he think would work, both to see what his opinions are and to see whether it's enough to persuade him to expand the section.
 :::Furthermore, I don't really see how the pandemic splitting the eras have to do with much since we're taking both offline and online into account. Yes, the pandemic cut stuff short, but on the other hand there's no use in wondering what would happen if the pandemic didn't exist. The reality is that the pandemic stopped offline play for a year, and as a result, we have to take into account the changes that happened because of it, and not what would have happened had offline continued as normal. The pandemic didn't "mess up" the scene; the scene simply went in a different direction than expected. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:17, July 18, 2021 (EDT)
+Now that 1) updates have been done for a year, 2) Ultimate is just one day from surpassing Smash 4's competitive lifespan counting only Wii U, and 3) offline tournaments have not only been the norm longer than online ones, but have lasted longer than they did pre-COVID, I think we can revive this issue. (Fun fact: Ultimate Palutena has recently surpassed Melee Fox as the character with the most tournament results on this Wiki [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Palutena_(SSBU)&namespace=102&limit=1300], [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Fox_(SSBM)&namespace=102&limit=1300].) As for Smash 4, if two DLC characters can have more players, I think it's only fair that an initial-release character gets the same treatment. <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 20:25, December 21, 2022 (EST)
+:The problem for ''Ultimate'' right now is that these sections, while "done" for a year, are still rather outdated/not completely cleaned out. Many sections still have players that are only notable at a regional level, or at least had a couple of good appearances nationally. {{SSBU|Robin}} is an egregious example of this. It currently sits at the max amount of possible players in these sections, yet out of the players on this list, the only players that I believe should definitely stay are Angel (strong results online plus some good results and wins offline), Jul (best Robin pre-pandemic), Ke-ya (one of the best Robins pre-pandemic), and Synergy (imo the current best Robin). That's 6 that I'd consider we should look at and/or clean out, and with Robin being a relatively unpopular character throughout ''Ultimate''{{'}}s competitive lifespan, there's no reason for this section to be at the max amount of players. Palutena itself still needs some players who debatably could be removed (eg Compact and marisa) while the only player that I think has an argument to be added into the section is Chase. At least for ''Ultimate'', there really is not a strong case for any of these sections to have a limit over 10. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:25, December 21, 2022 (EST)
+::Nice, but what about my other points? <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 20:57, December 22, 2022 (EST)
+:::I don't really have many opinions on it, other than I still don't think anything should be extended unless we really need to. Diddy Kong currently sits at 9 and Sheik sits at 10, and from what I can tell these are all their most relevant players throughout ''Smash 4''{{'}}s history, as they were ranked on the PGR 100. Unless we agree that there are more players that should be added to these sections, I don't see a need to expand it. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 03:58, December 23, 2022 (EST)
+:Revive what issue? If you're going to suggest any character getting a limit increase, as I said before to you, you need to focus on a single character at a time and provide damn good reasoning why. "Look this character gets linked to more on the wiki!" and "two Smash 4 DLC characters got an increased limit, why not a base game character?!" are not legitimate points. For example, if you're going to claim Ult Palutena should have an increased limit, explain how there are more than ten Palutena players that are too important to her competitive history to not mention, specifically listing the players out and explaining why each of them are that important. If you can't make convincing arguments for why more than ten specific players belong for any character, then they don't need an increased limit. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:17, January 22, 2023 (EST)
 == Recommendation on historically significant players (Yoshi)  ==
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 ::Since the 18th is tomorrow, will the competitive section be added to Sora's page tomorrow (as in, is it prepared and drafted)? [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 19:30, April 17, 2022 (EDT)
 :::I don't believe the section has been prepared yet. I do know there aren't any consensus Sora players to list, so no player will be listed in the section. But the rest of the competitive section will have to be completed. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 19:33, April 17, 2022 (EDT)
+::::You can expect to see preparation to the section made for some additions, but any additions will still have to be discussed and agreed upon on the talk page there. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] the 🦊[[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry''']]🐺. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 23:15, April 17, 2022 (EDT)