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:I don't know, in my opinion, the table looks really confusing and hard to read with all the moves in separate rows. It'll look even worse when each of the moves start having paragraphs for descriptions. I think for the sake of readability that we group them together, with the obvious note that the grouping is not official. Additionally, most of the moveset tables have always really only comprised the standard moves or moves that can be grouped into those standard moves, other moves and mechanics are usually put in separate tables below. A paragraph about those non-standard moves / mechanics above a designated table makes it easier for people who are unfamiliar with the character and their moves/mechanics to understand them, so I don't think it makes it look messy. If column width is a problem, it can always be changed in the editor. If the template can be redone entirely to comprise standard and non-standard movesets while also keeping it consistent and readable and understandable, I'm for it, the moveset template has also been a bit messy especially when it comes to characters like this. I am also of the opinion that we should wait until we get all the technical information to make any kind of accurate grouping, if there are any.--[[User:MontztheMan|MontztheMan]] ([[User talk:MontztheMan|talk]]) 20:34, June 29, 2021 (EDT) | :I don't know, in my opinion, the table looks really confusing and hard to read with all the moves in separate rows. It'll look even worse when each of the moves start having paragraphs for descriptions. I think for the sake of readability that we group them together, with the obvious note that the grouping is not official. Additionally, most of the moveset tables have always really only comprised the standard moves or moves that can be grouped into those standard moves, other moves and mechanics are usually put in separate tables below. A paragraph about those non-standard moves / mechanics above a designated table makes it easier for people who are unfamiliar with the character and their moves/mechanics to understand them, so I don't think it makes it look messy. If column width is a problem, it can always be changed in the editor. If the template can be redone entirely to comprise standard and non-standard movesets while also keeping it consistent and readable and understandable, I'm for it, the moveset template has also been a bit messy especially when it comes to characters like this. I am also of the opinion that we should wait until we get all the technical information to make any kind of accurate grouping, if there are any.--[[User:MontztheMan|MontztheMan]] ([[User talk:MontztheMan|talk]]) 20:34, June 29, 2021 (EDT) | ||
Now that we have the data, I think it is safe to say that the current grouping and naming is about as correct as it's going to get. The extra moves do not have any more or less importance than the typical moves, and testing gives evidence that nothing shares staleness and thus should not be squeezed into sharing rows. The general moveset table template is planned to be updated to reflect this within a couple days. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 17:24, June 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
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I can safely assume Little Mac is Steve Fox (boxing), Captain Falcon is Howarang (biker), DK and K Rool are Roger and Alex (similar types of animals), the Miis are the generic Tekken Force soldiers, and the Kazuya at the end is Jin, but I can't tell who Lucario and Ryu are. I noticed Ryu did a lot of Tatsumakis, so he might represent Eddy Gordo, and considering Lucario is based on an Anubis, I'm thinking the Egyptian fighter Zafina (plus her Tekken 7 moveset features her using a demon's power in a similar way to what Aura looks like), but I'm not too sure about those. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 23:03, June 29, 2021 (EDT) | I can safely assume Little Mac is Steve Fox (boxing), Captain Falcon is Howarang (biker), DK and K Rool are Roger and Alex (similar types of animals), the Miis are the generic Tekken Force soldiers, and the Kazuya at the end is Jin, but I can't tell who Lucario and Ryu are. I noticed Ryu did a lot of Tatsumakis, so he might represent Eddy Gordo, and considering Lucario is based on an Anubis, I'm thinking the Egyptian fighter Zafina (plus her Tekken 7 moveset features her using a demon's power in a similar way to what Aura looks like), but I'm not too sure about those. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 23:03, June 29, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:Bumping this since the table was added with no mention of said references, particularly the obvious two (DK/K Rool to Roger/Alex and Little Mac to Steve Fox). [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 02:04, June 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I'm guessing you haven't checked the table in a while, since they have the Ryu and Lucario references. They reference ''Tekken''-style games outside of the Tekken canon. Ryu represents ''Tekken X Street Fighter'' and Lucario represents ''Pokkén Tournament''. Also, the boss fight against Kazuya Mishima and Metal Kazuya Mishima has nothing to do with Jin. Why are there two Kazuya Mishimas that fight you one after the other? Because the final boss of ''Tekken 7'''s campaign mode (throughout which you play primarily as Heihachi), is Kazuya Mishima and then Devil Kazuya, who at this point isn't a distinct character anymore, and is simply a powered-up form of Kazuya Mishima's, thanks to the events of ''Tekken 4''. This is why the second Kazuya Mishima is metal, since that makes him harder to K.O. than any old OP fighting game DLC character, kind of like Devil Kazuya. [[User:IMDCombee|IMDCombee]] ([[User talk:IMDCombee|talk]]) 14:53, May 21, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== Input for Gates of Hell is incorrect == | == Input for Gates of Hell is incorrect == | ||
Wanted to edit myself but the page is locked. The command input for Gates of Hell is down-right, down, down-right the page states it's right, right. | Wanted to edit myself but the page is locked. The command input for Gates of Hell is down-right, down, down-right the page states it's right, right. [[User:Volpeony|Volpeony]] ([[User talk:Volpeony|talk]]) 23:25, June 29, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:Fixed, thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 00:17, June 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Bionic-Mii reference == | |||
If they are a reference to Tekken 4, then they are meant to stand in for Heihachi's Zaibatus forces, who Kaz beat up in the trailer. Makes no sense for it to be the corp that revived him.--[[Special:Contributions/95.223.73.154|95.223.73.154]] 09:18, June 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Want to add something but can’t, so can someone else please add this for me == | |||
To his forward smash I would like to add: ‘Overall the second strongest forward smash in the game, narrowly beating {{SSBU|Ganondorf}}’s and just about allowing {{SSBU|King Dedede}} to maintain the title’ | |||
[[User:MetaKnightX6|MetaKnightX6]] ([[User talk:MetaKnightX6|talk]]) 13:22, June 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Kazuya's jump squat is 6, not 7. == | |||
Since we can't edit, letting you know here. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kenny U|contribs]]) 15:29, July 1, 2021 (EDT)</small> | |||
:While coded as 6, it comes out to be 7. [https://mobile.twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1410074630048550912 Source]. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:49, July 1, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== The second hit of down-forward tilt has a shield-damage multiplier == | |||
At least that's how it was presented in the direct. Idk if we have hard data on what that multiplier is though. Either way, it should probably be mentioned in the attack's description. --[[User:Lumosterris|Lumosterris]] ([[User talk:Lumosterris|talk]]) 14:49, July 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:It's a shieldstun multiplier, not additional shield damage. As such, it's not worth noting since a ton of moves have that. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 14:55, July 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Oh, strange! Thanks for the info man, I wonder why they decided to do that :/ --[[User:Lumosterris|Lumosterris]] ([[User talk:Lumosterris|talk]]) 16:45, July 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Classic Mode Stage 6 == | |||
The Mii Fighters used during Stage 6 are derived from the Guest Miis. The game will select three Guest Mii designs at random, and each one will appear twice. This is unlike other Classic Mode routes, in which all Mii Fighters use their respective default design. [[Special:Contributions/69.136.251.136|69.136.251.136]] 22:57, July 5, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Down Air Meteor effect== | |||
Go to training mode | |||
pick kazuya and fox [cpu] | |||
have Fox on the jump command. Then use dair [[Special:Contributions/76.224.228.130|76.224.228.130]] 16:08, July 7, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== finishing off that edit summary... == | |||
edit is [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Kazuya_(SSBU)&curid=131073&diff=1606177&oldid=1606158 here] | |||
First sub-point is already explained in the body of the article. | |||
Second sub-point is speculative, uninteresting, and tbh kind of stupid. I highly doubt that man has never in his life said the word "wins", and it's not that big of a deal if they had him come in to record lines anyway. Just pointless. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:01, August 9, 2021 (EDT) | |||
==Brr and Tea should be notable players IMO== | |||
{{Sm|Brr}} because of his 9th at Low Tide City and attendance at major tournaments and {{Sm|Tea}} because he is one of the best players in the world having a kazuya pocket.[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 12:39, March 3, 2022 (EST) | |||
:They were being discussed already. While Brr is the best Kazuya player in the US. People want to see another result at a major to determine whether he is significant or not. And for Tea, while he did win 3 online tourneys, it doesn't make sense to call him significant as he barely has much results with the char. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 22:32, March 3, 2022 (EST) | |||
::Although I don't see the addition of Brr necessary due to the lack of sufficient results, I feel as if {{Sm|Tea}} might have enough to be added. He has wins over Shuton, Goblin, and Ouch!? with Kazuya. He also won major, Crown II, comaining them for the run. It is still a small sample size so the argument to not include him is valid, definitely someone we look at in the future though because it isn't going away any time soon [[User:Swidd|Swidd]] ([[User talk:Swidd|talk]]) 13:51, July 18, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::Tea for sure, I believe a consensus was reached on Discord. Brr really only had 1 good result with Kazuya, most of their other results, even nationally, have been disappointing to mediocre. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:27, July 18, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== Kazuya's Left Splits Kick is a Double Forward Tilt, not a Double Dash Attack == | |||
The input necessary to perform the Left Splits Kick does not make Kazuya dash forward in any way; you merely tilt forward twice. I assume that most players find it easier to dash twice to make the move come out leading to it being called such, but the labeling of it being a Double Dash Attack is inaccurate. If possible, the move input should be renamed in cases where it is relevant on this wiki from "Double Dash Attack" to "Double Forward Tilt". | |||
[[User:Blue Sun|Blue Sun]] ([[User talk:Blue Sun|talk]]) 19:18, August 9, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Double FTilt might confuse some people into thinking that the input is forward A forward A rather than forward forward A. I think a rename could be useful, but I'm against Double Forward Tilt. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 21:31, August 9, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::You know, I should have thought about just calling it forward+forward tilt instead of double forward tilt now that you mention it. Anyone else in agreement of renaming Double Dash Attack into Forward+Forward Tilt or some variation thereof? [[User:Blue Sun|Blue Sun]] ([[User talk:Blue Sun|talk]]) 22:12, August 25, 2022 (EDT) | |||
I can't deny that the current name is indeed less accurate than the proposed one, and being exclusive to one character makes it much more possible to change compared to any other move. I'm curious why people think that "double forward tilt" is any more confusing than the current "double dash attack". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Engineer 08:10, August 26, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== Add Ban Discussion? == | |||
Seeing as Steve has a ban discussion and Hero has a ban controversy, should Kazuya get one too? Kazuya has been discussed for a ban at the same time as Steve with his strong attacks and having intangibility on a lot of his moves. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#28282B;border:solid FF0000 5px;border-radius: 4px;padding:1px 3px;color:#FF0000">Diddy Kongstar</span>]] 16:59, October 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:For sure, just no one had the time to get to it. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:55, November 28, 2022 (EST) | |||