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Both names have good reasons to be used, and as for me personally though the way I think is the best is to use "Mother" when referring to the Japanese release or in an instance where it's specifically referred to as such in Smash, and the general term should be "EarthBound Beginnings". The same can be done with other articles, and if necessary we can clarify at the start of the article with something like "(known as Mother in japan)" or "(localized as EarthBound Beginnings)" and use EarthBound Beginnings as the general term throught the article. '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegα</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toαd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 01:11, July 18, 2020 (EDT) | Both names have good reasons to be used, and as for me personally though the way I think is the best is to use "Mother" when referring to the Japanese release or in an instance where it's specifically referred to as such in Smash, and the general term should be "EarthBound Beginnings". The same can be done with other articles, and if necessary we can clarify at the start of the article with something like "(known as Mother in japan)" or "(localized as EarthBound Beginnings)" and use EarthBound Beginnings as the general term throught the article. '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegα</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toαd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 01:11, July 18, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:I think it would make sense to standardize using EarthBound Beginnings at this point; the name "EarthBound Beginnings" has been in common use for five years now, it's the official English title of the game, and it is the name used ingame as of Ultimate. However, I think it would be appropriate to leave it as "Mother" when previous Smash games have used it - for example, stickers in Brawl. Though, I'm not sure if those kinds of clarifications would be necessary... considering that articles also already state the Japanese name at the beginning anyway, it feels redundant to add a "known as Mother in Japan" bit there. [[User:LostPainting|lostpainting]] ([[User talk:LostPainting|talk]]) 19:11, July 18, 2020 (EDT) | :I think it would make sense to standardize using EarthBound Beginnings at this point; the name "EarthBound Beginnings" has been in common use for five years now, it's the official English title of the game, and it is the name used ingame as of Ultimate. However, I think it would be appropriate to leave it as "Mother" when previous Smash games have used it - for example, stickers in Brawl. Though, I'm not sure if those kinds of clarifications would be necessary... considering that articles also already state the Japanese name at the beginning anyway, it feels redundant to add a "known as Mother in Japan" bit there. [[User:LostPainting|lostpainting]] ([[User talk:LostPainting|talk]]) 19:11, July 18, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::Personally I too think it'll get very redundant to always put a clarification for this, it was more of an "if needed" thing, which I don't really think it is. '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegα</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toαd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 21:34, July 18, 2020 (EDT) | |||
So... bump '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegɑ</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toɑd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 21:42, December 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
Prioritize "EarthBound Beginnings", with a note saying "known as ''Mother'' in Japan". That's my take. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:50, January 27, 2021 (EST) | |||
:Agreed with this; same deal as ''EarthBound'' and ''Mother 2''. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 21:56, January 27, 2021 (EST) | |||
Said it on Discord and figured I'd make it clear on-wiki too: "Mother" is the more widely-known name and has been used in Smash in Melee, Brawl, and SSB4. While "EarthBound Beginnings" is official, I feel it should be used only in reference to the English VC release or when Ultimate explicitly names it as such; otherwise, "Mother" should be prioritized. The difference is that EarthBound has been known as such in English since it was localized a year after its Japanese release, whereas "EarthBound Beginnings" was invented as a title decades later. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:54, February 20, 2021 (EST) | |||
::''"Mother" is the more widely-known name and has been used in Smash in Melee, Brawl, and SSB4'' | |||
:True, but when do we have another case where the Japanese title is used because it outshines/has been used longer than the English name? | |||
::''The difference is that EarthBound has been known as such in English since it was localized a year after its Japanese release, whereas "EarthBound Beginnings" was invented as a title decades later.'' | |||
:So if EarthBound wasn't localized until 2015 we'd call it Mother 2 instead because it's been used longer? Sounds really silly. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(BUP)</font>]]''' 20:11, February 20, 2021 (EST) | |||
::Let's not get into what-ifs and hypotheticals here. This is a fairly specific case where we have 20+ years and 3 Smash games where "Mother" was the consistent, common-usage term and only in the mid-2010s did the EarthBound Beginnings title even come into existence. There's a longer history of Western fans using the invented "EarthBound Zero" title than the new official English title. While we would be remiss to not mention "EarthBound Beginnings" as a name, I don't think we should necessarily feel obligated to prioritize it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:19, February 20, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::Both names are used equally and have valid reasons to be used, only difference is one has existed longer than the other. I still don't think this is a valid reason to discredit using EarthBound Beginnings but best to wait to see what everyone else thinks is best. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(BUP)</font>]]''' 21:13, February 20, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Cut tracks == | |||
Should the cut tracks really count as representation in the "Media with elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" section of this page? The ''Fire Emblem'' and ''Metal Gear'' universe pages are also like this currently, and i don't agree with them counting as representation, because they're unused. Yes, they're were planned by the devs to be added into the game, but they eventually cut them mid development, and as such are not there representing those series in the actual game anymore, unlike the likes of "Unfounded Revenge / Smashing Song of Praise". And it's not like we know some the origin of all unused music from ''Brawl'', there's some unused tracks from both the ''Mario'' and ''Wario'' universes that there's no way of being certain of what game those unused tracks came from, and it besides that, it would be weird to have some pages containing information about unused tracks and some that don't. --[[User:Improvisado|Improvisado]] ([[User talk:Improvisado|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Improvisado|contribs]]) 15:41, September 11, 2022 (GMT-3) | |||
I agree, this stuff should absolutely be removed, or at most put in a separate section for unused content (but I would rather not do this). [[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 16:04, September 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||