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==Hero confirmed a July release by Nintendo== | ==Hero confirmed a July release by Nintendo== | ||
As expected by some; Hero will 100% be coming by the end of July. This was pretty much confirmed by Nintendo on YouTube in a video focused on releases in July, and one of them was Hero. No exact date was given still; but it is expected to be either the 18th or the 25th in America. (19th and 26th to other regions such as Japan and Europe.) | As expected by some; Hero will 100% be coming by the end of July. This was pretty much confirmed by Nintendo on YouTube in a video focused on releases in July, and one of them was Hero. No exact date was given still; but it is expected to be either the 18th or the 25th in America. (19th and 26th to other regions such as Japan and Europe.) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:86.183.147.80|86.183.147.80]] ([[User talk:86.183.147.80|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/86.183.147.80|contribs]]) 16:17, July 16th, 2019 (EDT)</small> | ||
:First off, new sections go at the bottom. Secondly, [[SW:SIGN|sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]. Thirdly, we'll report on Hero's release date when we have an official source expressing such; the wiki is no place for speculation. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:46, July 16, 2019 (EDT) | :First off, new sections go at the bottom. Secondly, [[SW:SIGN|sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]. Thirdly, we'll report on Hero's release date when we have an official source expressing such; the wiki is no place for speculation. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:46, July 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:First of all. The video's title specifically stated July releases at first, so don't give me this "speculation" crap. Second of all; thanks for making it clear that new things go on the top, i clearly read the goddamn notice on this page. Nice to see how kind this wiki is to new users. [[Special:Contributions/86.183.147.80|86.183.147.80]] 14:30, July 17, 2019 (EDT) | :First of all. The video's title specifically stated July releases at first, so don't give me this "speculation" crap. Second of all; thanks for making it clear that new things go on the top, i clearly read the goddamn notice on this page. Nice to see how kind this wiki is to new users. [[Special:Contributions/86.183.147.80|86.183.147.80]] 14:30, July 17, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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This has been discussed to death stop asking [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 17:32, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | This has been discussed to death stop asking [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 17:32, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::It's been discussed to death because it's something that should be changed. I don't imagine it will stop being discussed until it is changed. You can't just ignore these discussions and arguments until they go away by saying it's already been discussed. Even other wikis, [https://www.mariowiki.com/Hero such as this one], have it labeled and worded correctly, so this is obviously something to do with the mods on this wiki either being too stubborn to change it or not actually having knowledge on Dragon Quest/being misinformed about it. The name of the DQ11 Hero is "Eleven" because that is his default name. And he is also broadly known by the title of "Luminary" because that is what the English localization team at Square Enix decided to translate "Hero" to in the West this time around unlike the previous games. He's still obviously known as the "Hero" in Japan instead of the "Luminary." The name of the DQ3 Hero is "Arusu" because that is what he is referred to in the opening of the DQ3 remake. And he is also broadly known by the title of "Erdrick" because that is the title he is given at the end of DQ3. The name of the DQ4 Hero is "Solo" and the name of the DQ8 Hero is "Eight" because those are their default names. The same as Eleven. So why is Eleven mainly referred to as the Luminary? Eleven should be called Eleven for the same reasons Solo and Eight are called Solo and Eight. It should say something like "Eleven, also referred to as the Luminary." And for Arusu, it should say something like "Arusu, also known by the title of Erdrick" or maybe just "Arusu, also known as Erdrick." The name "Arusu" is literally taken from the opening of the DQ3 remake after all. It's like no amount of proof and evidence would ever convince you guys. What more do you want? For it to literally come out of Sakurai's mouth and for it to literally be in the games? Oh wait.... --[[Special:Contributions/73.71.161.160|73.71.161.160]] 18:19, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:We are different from other wikis, as other wikis do not cover the community aspect of their franchise as much as we do. Competitive Smash and the fans that have come out of both the competitive and casual side are an important part of the history of the franchise as a whole. As a result, we take into consideration how the fans know a term, and, should it be more popular than an official term, then we take priority over that rather than the official term. | |||
:In this regard, literally '''no one''' that I know (personally) who either knows what ''Dragon Quest'' is or is a fan of ''Dragon Quest'' calls III's Hero "Arusu". Eleven's a mixed bag, because he's called both (Japanese fans call heroes by their number to differentiate them, but he is called "Luminary" over here), but Arusu is such an obscure name (wasn't it only used in the drama CD? I don't know) that '''no one calls him by it'''. I don't know why Sakurai used it, but that may be related to the fact that Erdrick is a title, rather than a name, but Erdrick is still given to the player at the end of DQIII. And remakes can change anything they want to, so I don't see why you keep citing it. | |||
:Solo and Eight are called that because Solo matches the fan name, the official name, and the one given by Sakurai; Eight does as well, though "Eight" isn't as official since it's the same as fans calling each hero by number rather than a name. | |||
:Also, none of the Heroes are named in Smash. Not in the tips, not by Fighter Spirits, not by anything. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:37, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::I want to add to Aidan's statement that this consensus came before the video and is based upon the largely agreed-upon opinions of ''Dragon Quest'' fans; you clearly missed [[Talk:Hero/Archive 1|a lengthy discussion]] on the subject. A sarcastic tone isn't going to help in arguing your case, because we've had this discussion a thousand times over and you aren't really contributing anything new. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 18:44, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Edit what happens when Hero hits a ceiling when using Zoom == | == Edit what happens when Hero hits a ceiling when using Zoom == | ||
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== Kamikazee == | == Kamikazee == | ||
Why did Mexi add a note that Kamikazee makes Hero win if he takes the opponent's last stock? There's no source for the claim. I just tested it and found it to be false. This is going to harm someone. Can anybody with editing permission on the page remove it? [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]]) 05:16, August 3, 2019 (EDT) | Why did Mexi add a note that Kamikazee makes Hero win if he takes the opponent's last stock? There's no source for the claim. I just tested it and found it to be false. This is going to harm someone. Can anybody with editing permission on the page remove it? [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]]) 05:16, August 3, 2019 (EDT) | ||
== Fighter Ability Trivia == | |||
In the trivia section, it states that Hero's MP Gauge is the only fighter ability that Kirby can fully utilize, whereas other fighter abilities such as Robin's durability work differently with Kirby (when Thunder's durability is depleted, it doesn't regenerate). However, Kirby can also fully utilize Ryu and Ken's fighter ability to input special moves.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Henrai|Henrai]] ([[User talk:Henrai|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Henrai|contribs]]) 14:09, August 12, 2019</small> (EST) | |||
:Please [[SW:SIG|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>). <span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 04:58, August 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== FS Meter == | |||
I've had it occur twice before where, while having FS Meter Turned on, I would like someone to confirm this is indeed possible and then add it to the Hocus Pocus list<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Demolition14|Demolition14]] ([[User talk:Demolition14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Demolition14|contribs]]) 19:34, August 13th, 2019</small> (EST) | |||
:Please [[SW:SIG|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>).<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 05:03, August 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== South Australia ban == | |||
Currently South Australia is the only region to have banned Hero. It's a very small region (out of their own admission) with, to my knowledge, no notable players are from there at a national, let alone a global level. This decision so far hasn't been taken seriously by the rest of Australia or of the world. I think it should be mentioned but it shouldn't have so much spotlight on the page as it does now, and it should be said that so far it hasn't had much of a following worldwide [[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 04:14, August 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Agreed, this seems very weird to have as a large paragraph in the opening summary. Maybe move it to Trivia, or just remove it altogether. --[[User:Tinker|Tinker]] ([[User talk:Tinker|talk]]) 11:05, August 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Erdrick or Arusu? == | |||
I just noticed that the DQ3 skin is refered everywhere on the wiki as "Erdrick". I can understand the Hero default skin to be refered as Luminary rather than Eleven, but, as Erdrick is a title that isn't unique to Arusu in the DQ series, wouldn't it be better to use his actual name for his skin rather than his title? Plus, the word Erdrick itself is already used in the game for the Mii Swordfighter DQ2 costume. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 18:53, February 18, 2020 (EST) | |||
:[[Talk:Hero/Archive 1|Extremely long story short,]] we went with "Erdrick" because that's the most widely-known moniker for the ''DQIII'' Hero, and we'd decided on our names based on input from the ''Dragon Quest'' community before Sakurai's video came out. Arusu was essentially unknown to overseas audiences before Sakurai broke it out for the presentation (it mostly pops up in Japan-only promo material like ''DQIII''{{'}}s radio drama adaptation), and by then we'd already locked ours in. It's preferable for us to go with the term that's more commonly used even if it's not "official"; for another example, see "[[tech]]" versus "fall break". (As an aside, the Erdrick Mii Costume is [https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0318/2649/products/51JRAimMwNL_large.jpg based on the ''DQIII'' hero]; it's just that other characters have worn the same armor.) ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 19:29, February 18, 2020 (EST) | |||
::I don't know if it's good enough of a reason to keep it that way now Sakurai introduced him as Arusu. After all, most people consider Jigglypuff to be female, yet the wiki goes with a more official neutral "it". [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 04:58, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::Using gender neutral pronouns for a character whose gender is unknown isn't really the same thing as using a more widely known moniker. Not to mention that the DQ III hero was for a long time (prior to DQ XI) the only one that was referred with the title of Erdrick/Loto and is therefore still most strongly associated with these names. Even things like the DQ I hero's armor that appears as a Mii Costume in Smash is a regalia that originally belonged to the DQ III hero in lore. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 05:43, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::Not that I'm trying to push for that change (I call him Erdrick too afterall) but here is the sameness that I was implying: Arusu = official, Erdrick = popular; It(Jigglypuff) = official, She(Jigglypuff) = popular. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 05:52, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::Arusu is not an official name according to Sakurai himself. He said something along the lines of "Arusu is a name commonly given to him by Japanese fans, but you can call him whatever you like" during the presentation. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 05:57, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::::Arusu is an official name, it's not not simply a fanmade name like you seem to think it is, it's used in official material. Also, don't forget Sakurai's statements are translated. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 06:28, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::::Allow me to better explain myself. Arusu and Erdrick/Loto are both official names within ''Dragon Quest'', although neither is arguably fully canonical. Within ''Smash'', the ''Dragon Quest III'' hero does not have an official name. Sakurai was simply saying that the Heroes do not have an official name in Smash, and therefore we can call them with whatever name we like (unless you can prove that a completely different statement was lost in translation). This wiki chose to use the name Erdrick because it is the one better understood by English speaking fans. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 07:01, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::::::Oh, OK. I thought indeed that you were talking about Arusu not being official in DQ, not especially in Smash. However, I don't think Sakurai said anything more than the fact that the Hero of DQ3 can be named anything you want in DQ3, just like Robin (but it doesn't nullify your point as Robin is officially Robin in Smash too, unlike Arusu). I think you're reading to much in what Sakurai says. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 07:31, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::::::The name Arusu was only really only said in the American direct, all four hero’s names are not said ingame also This wiki doesn’t use the official name of some pages. [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 07:03, February 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
== Fun Fact: DQ8 == | |||
The voice actor of Eight, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuki_Kaji Yuji Kaji], married [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayana_Taketatsu Ayana Taketatsu] on June 23, 2019 (12 days after the ''Smash'' trailer reveal) who did the voice of [https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Jessica_Albert Jessica Albert] in ''Dragon Quest Heroes'' I & II and ''Dragon Quest VIII'' (I am guessing is just a new feature for the 3DS version like the DQ11 on Switch) who is a marriage option in the 3DS version of DQ8. [[User:DoctaShield|DoctaShield]] ([[User talk:DoctaShield|talk]]) 01:13, March 31, 2022 (EDT) | |||