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 The trivia section says "Her inclusion also makes Animal Crossing the only franchise introduced in Smash 4 to feature multiple playable characters", but Animal Crossing wasn't introduced in Smash 4 - it was actually introduced in Brawl, albeit with only the Smashville stage. I think that should be fixed. [[User:Mudd|Mudd]] ([[User talk:Mudd|talk]]) 21:10, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
-==Add to Trivia===
+==Add to Trivia==
 Isabelle is the first, and so far only character the end a Direct for Smash Ultimate to not be a villain, as Ridley and K. Rool were the previous ones to finish off with. Should this be added to the trivia for her? --[[User:Solgalillie|Solgalillie]] ([[User talk:Solgalillie|talk]]) 13:36, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
 :No, as that counts as both volatile information and complexity. Please read [[SW:TRIVIA]]. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 17:51, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
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 == Should we have a “Differences from Villager” section? ==
-While I’m aware that Isabelle is on the upper end of the semi-clone spectrum, since she’s a newcomer, I feel like it might be important to highlight what’s different about her. I already have a base template commented out {{unsigned|184.181.102.188|19:11, January 16, 2019‎}}
+While I’m aware that Isabelle is on the upper end of the semi-clone spectrum, since she’s a newcomer, I feel like it might be important to highlight what’s different about her. I already have a base template commented out <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:184.181.102.188|184.181.102.188]] ([[User talk:184.181.102.188|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/184.181.102.188|contribs]]) 19:11, January 16, 2019</small>
 :Since both Lucas and Wolf in Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate did not get a "Difference from xxx" section, I don't think Isabelle should, either. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 19:26, 16 January 2019 (EST)
 ::Neither Lucas, Wolf, nor Isabelle are really "clones" of Ness, Fox, or Villager, so they don't really get the same "Differences from [character]" treatment that other clones get. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 21:01, 16 January 2019 (EST)
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 == Bocchi smasher page ==
-A while back a player by the name of Lily 'Bocchi' (don't know her last name) beat Ally in a local. How come she doesn't have her own smasher page? While the other prodigies' ZeRo talked about, do have their own smash page. [[User:Chitoge63|Chitoge63]]
+A while back a player by the name of Lily 'Bocchi' (don't know her last name) beat Ally in a local. How come she doesn't have her own smasher page? While the other prodigies' ZeRo talked about, do have their own smash page. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Chitoge63|Chitoge63]] ([[User talk:Chitoge63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chitoge63|contribs]]) 08:56, September 25, 2020 (EDT)</small>
 :Being talked about as a prodigy by Zero wouldn't be enough to qualify as notable for a page. That said, I believe she haw notable enough results so its probably just that no one has taken the time to make her a page. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 11:14, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
+::I had made a draft of her page in the past, but in the end I decided to scrap it, mainly because she had stated she didn't want a page since it could potentially be a target for her then-ongoing bullying. Even when that subsided she didn't want to be associated with the ''Smash'' community anymore, so I thought it would be best to respect her wishes. <s>While [[SW:OWNERSHIP|SmashWiki states that no one has ownership of pages]], I believe it's different when the actual page haven't been published to the mainspace yet.</s> [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:27, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
+:::Furthermore, I believe that aside from the Ally win her notability is dubious at best; she had a select few mediocre regional placements, but aside from that everything else isn't great. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:31, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
+::::Regarding the first point about Bocchi not wanting to be associated with the community, this is irrelevant, as not creating a smasher article on those grounds would be a blatant violation of [[SW:OWN]] and [[SW:NOT]], and the temporary prevention of said article from being created was a pretty clear breech of policy. Regardless, as has been pointed out, she is most likely not notable enough to warrant creating a smasher article. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 12:03, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
+:::::Yeah I was looking mostly at locals. She did have a number of top 10 placements at 100+ entrant locals plus had a decent result at return to yoshis Island. But I can see the otherside as well. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 12:17, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
+==Question==
+Would Bocchi be considered the best Isabelle during the early metagame seeing as she beat players like {{Sm|Ally}} and {{Sm|Raptor}}? It’s hard to say because of the lack of Isa players early on.[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 12:40, March 3, 2022 (EST)
+:[https://smashdata.gg/smash/ultimate/player/bocchi Her results] were literally not good during early meta. And she only did good at some 100+ locals, did bad at anything above that. So I don't really see how she was ever the best Isabelle. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 22:27, March 3, 2022 (EST)
+Jesus christ. those results indeed are bad. Fair enough[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 17:13, March 4, 2022 (EST)