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== Vergeben Split == | == Vergeben Split == | ||
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:Support. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 11:31, July 15, 2019 (EDT) | :Support. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 11:31, July 15, 2019 (EDT) | ||
Kraut Man Bad REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Seriously you still haven't done this yet? | Kraut Man Bad REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Seriously you still haven't done this yet? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 00:58, August 1, 2019</small> | ||
: We're still working on it. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 23:49, September 2, 2019 (EDT) | : We're still working on it. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 23:49, September 2, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::Like you're working on the title change/split/merger with rumors that has been going on for five months now? | ::Like you're working on the title change/split/merger with rumors that has been going on for five months now? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 00:53, September 3, 2019</small> | ||
:::I think you might be satisfied now, considering that the verdict has been reached. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 11:40, September 3, 2019 (EDT) | :::I think you might be satisfied now, considering that the verdict has been reached. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 11:40, September 3, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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'''Oppose''' "Rumors" sounds silly.<span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 06:37, September 24, 2019 (EDT) | '''Oppose''' "Rumors" sounds silly.<span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 06:37, September 24, 2019 (EDT) | ||
Update again: '''move to "List of notable rumors" and "List of confirmed leaks"'''. (Also maybe get the ball rolling on this discussion again.....) - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 12:47, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Paragon Leak == | == Paragon Leak == | ||
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==Terry Bogard== | ==Terry Bogard== | ||
Yall motherfuckers are slow when this has been buzzing around all weekend, and then Kraut Man himself even confirmed the name as his "Leak" | Yall motherfuckers are slow when this has been buzzing around all weekend, and then Kraut Man himself even confirmed the name as his "Leak" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 21:39, September 2, 2019</small> | ||
: Actually he didn't. He ''claimed'' that it would be Terry, not confirmed that it would be Terry. Again, you really seem to be obsessed with hating on Vergeben just because his confirmed rumors are still listed as rumors. But that's just it, he's still making claims. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 23:49, September 2, 2019 (EDT) | : Actually he didn't. He ''claimed'' that it would be Terry, not confirmed that it would be Terry. Again, you really seem to be obsessed with hating on Vergeben just because his confirmed rumors are still listed as rumors. But that's just it, he's still making claims. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 23:49, September 2, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:: Once is coincidence, twice is conspiracy, three times is enemy action, and He basically got half a dozen things right.. Meanwhile the DARLING of Smash Wiki Loz18 admitted over discord that his own "Leak" was a crapshoot guess he got lucky with, and got literally everything after that completely wrong. You people are hilarious with your UNIRONIC Kraut Man Bad shit that you dont even know when someone is parodying you. | :: Once is coincidence, twice is conspiracy, three times is enemy action, and He basically got half a dozen things right.. Meanwhile the DARLING of Smash Wiki Loz18 admitted over discord that his own "Leak" was a crapshoot guess he got lucky with, and got literally everything after that completely wrong. You people are hilarious with your UNIRONIC Kraut Man Bad shit that you dont even know when someone is parodying you.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 01:09, September 3, 2019</small> | ||
:::WE never said Loz18 was the darling, YOU did. I've almost half a mind to report your IP for your behavior, calling people almost unaffiliated with the wiki. And as was said before, he got lucky with his information, but he's still making claims so it's almost impossible to put him on the Leaks page.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 10:05, September 3, 2019 (EDT) | :::WE never said Loz18 was the darling, YOU did. I've almost half a mind to report your IP for your behavior, calling people almost unaffiliated with the wiki. And as was said before, he got lucky with his information, but he's still making claims so it's almost impossible to put him on the Leaks page.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 10:05, September 3, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::And just proved my point by saying Vergeben is making "claims" after every "claim" ended up being true. Meanwhile I suppose Loz18 made actual leaks right? Isn't Skull Kid fun to play as? | ::::And just proved my point by saying Vergeben is making "claims" after every "claim" ended up being true. Meanwhile I suppose Loz18 made actual leaks right? Isn't Skull Kid fun to play as? | ||
:::::Can you actually chill for a bit? Vergeben now (controversially) has a page, and Loz18 was year-old news. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:25, September 3, 2019 (EDT) | :::::Can you actually chill for a bit? Vergeben now (controversially) has a page, and Loz18 was year-old news. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:25, September 3, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::::Oh Tailikku, what were you saying about being lucky? | ::::::Oh Tailikku, what were you saying about being lucky?<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 19:14, September 4, 2019</small> | ||
:::::::Certainly not you, not Loz18. Again, you need to chill about both Vergeben and Loz18, and you need to learn to ''sign your comments''.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 19:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT) | :::::::Certainly not you, not Loz18. Again, you need to chill about both Vergeben and Loz18, and you need to learn to ''sign your comments''.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 19:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::::::I will repeat. Once is coincidence, Twice is Conspiracy, Three times is enemy action.. We are now up to at least 9. Or should i not believe my lying eyes and keep maining Skull Kid? | ::::::::I will repeat. Once is coincidence, Twice is Conspiracy, Three times is enemy action.. We are now up to at least 9. Or should i not believe my lying eyes and keep maining Skull Kid? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 19:31, September 4, 2019</small>. | ||
::::::::: That last option is the most viable for you, since Vergeben ''never made the claim'' for Skull Kid; your "waifu", "blessed" Loz18 did. Please, just stop.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 20:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT) | ::::::::: That last option is the most viable for you, since Vergeben ''never made the claim'' for Skull Kid; your "waifu", "blessed" Loz18 did. Please, just stop.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 20:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::Then why is Loz18, someone who over discord admitted his only real "Leak" was just a lucky guess still legitimized as a true leak. Far before Vergeben got that and WAY before Verge got his own page hmmm? Why is verge's section on said leak page with a prefix that Loz18 doesnt have when his track record is far and away better than Loz18. Why is it you think i been pulling this parody of Smash Wiki and the Kraut Man Bad act for so long to the point that you forgot the point of the parody. :P Maybe it's because someone is getting special treatment while not to the point of idolitry, it is to the point that other more proven leakers have not been given, especially the one who has gotten basically every claim he's made right. | ::::::::::Then why is Loz18, someone who over discord admitted his only real "Leak" was just a lucky guess still legitimized as a true leak. Far before Vergeben got that and WAY before Verge got his own page hmmm? Why is verge's section on said leak page with a prefix that Loz18 doesnt have when his track record is far and away better than Loz18. Why is it you think i been pulling this parody of Smash Wiki and the Kraut Man Bad act for so long to the point that you forgot the point of the parody. :P Maybe it's because someone is getting special treatment while not to the point of idolitry, it is to the point that other more proven leakers have not been given, especially the one who has gotten basically every claim he's made right. | ||
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== The Mii Leak == | == The Mii Leak == | ||
There's now a lot more evidence suggesting it's fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 14:37, November 19, 2019 (EST) | There's now a lot more evidence suggesting it's fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 14:37, November 19, 2019 (EST) | ||
This sentence doesn't really make sence... "Although early on some members of the Ultimate modding community noted the difficulty in modifying Mii costumes for the game, adding further credibility to the supposed leak, later evidence proved otherwise, supporting this explanation for the rumor." Perhaps it should be changed. [[Special:Contributions/73.31.9.110|73.31.9.110]] 10:02, November 20, 2019 (EST) SquireTurnbolt | This sentence doesn't really make sence... "Although early on some members of the Ultimate modding community noted the difficulty in modifying Mii costumes for the game, adding further credibility to the supposed leak, later evidence proved otherwise, supporting this explanation for the rumor." Perhaps it should be changed. [[Special:Contributions/73.31.9.110|73.31.9.110]] 10:02, November 20, 2019 (EST) SquireTurnbolt | ||
At this point, I believe that the Mii Costume leak should be noted that both Terry and Byleth's set of Mii Costumes don't feature either Mallow nor Cacodemon, in addition to the statement that puts the chances of the Doom Slayer/Guy into question. --[[User:Celerity910|Celerity910]] ([[User talk:Celerity910|talk]]) 21:51, January 28, 2020 (EST) | |||
This is a bad arguement: why would Terry include those costumes when it was fighter focused? If Geno and/or DoomGuy were coming as DLC at some point, I doubt they would want to spoil their appearances with Byleth's presentation. After all, Fighter Pass 2 was only confirmed during then. | |||
We still have yet to see anyone from Fighter Pass 2, so the Byleth statement is also redundant until further notice. | |||
== About Shinjis Answer on Sora == | == About Shinjis Answer on Sora == | ||
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With a second fighters pass announced, no doubt many more rumors are going to arrive over the next couple years - causing the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate section to become even larger and cluttered. As an idea to clean up the section, wondering if anyone would be in '''support''' of dividing up ''Rumors about Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' with different sub-headers. With the headers being, ''Base Game Rumors'', ''Fighters Pass Rumors'' and eventually ''Fighters Pass 2 Rumors''. Otherwise it may be worth removing/deleting some outdated or less notable rumors from places like 4chan. Thoughts? [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 09:42, January 17, 2020 (EST) | With a second fighters pass announced, no doubt many more rumors are going to arrive over the next couple years - causing the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate section to become even larger and cluttered. As an idea to clean up the section, wondering if anyone would be in '''support''' of dividing up ''Rumors about Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' with different sub-headers. With the headers being, ''Base Game Rumors'', ''Fighters Pass Rumors'' and eventually ''Fighters Pass 2 Rumors''. Otherwise it may be worth removing/deleting some outdated or less notable rumors from places like 4chan. Thoughts? [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 09:42, January 17, 2020 (EST) | ||
: Conceptually dividing it up sounds like a good idea, but I just see more practicality from just removing the less than notable stuff. [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 13:35, January 17, 2020 (EST) | |||
: I '''support''' breaking up the rumors for Ultimate. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 16:08, January 20, 2020 (EST) | |||
::Alrighty I've divided it up for now, seems to make it more coherent. If it's an issue, happy for it to be changed back, but at least it breaks up the Rumors. Removing less notable stuff seems to be the way to go over time. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 10:40, January 18, 2020 (EST) | |||
If you ask me, I believe at least these rumors should be cleared: | If you ask me, I believe at least these rumors should be cleared: | ||
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*5channel Dragon Quest leak: Again, the only reason it's on here is that it was able to correctly predict some things. That shouldn't be listed as notable, since anyone can predict and still get it right. | *5channel Dragon Quest leak: Again, the only reason it's on here is that it was able to correctly predict some things. That shouldn't be listed as notable, since anyone can predict and still get it right. | ||
To sum it up, these leaks are basically misinterpretations are just random posts, and aren't notable as most of the others on here. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:53, January 18, 2020 (EST) | To sum it up, these leaks are basically misinterpretations are just random posts, and aren't notable as most of the others on here. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:53, January 18, 2020 (EST) | ||
:I agree with removing most of those except the Pete Hines Nintendo Power Interview, that one hasn't quite been debunked yet. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 11:28, January 18, 2020 (EST) | |||
::The point is that the "leak" is just taking a quote out of context/reading too much into something. The only connection it has with ''Smash'' is that around the same time several leaks mentioned Doom Guy as a character, and all of those have been debunked since he wasn't in Fighter's Pass 1. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:37, January 18, 2020 (EST) | ::The point is that the "leak" is just taking a quote out of context/reading too much into something. The only connection it has with ''Smash'' is that around the same time several leaks mentioned Doom Guy as a character, and all of those have been debunked since he wasn't in Fighter's Pass 1. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:37, January 18, 2020 (EST) | ||
:::Well considering the Cacodemon Mii costume has yet to be debunked either, I'd say just keep it for the time being. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 03:39, January 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::Those are 2 different scenarios though. The Doom Guy one, again, is people taking something out of context. The other one actually has pictures to back it up and is 100% related to Smash. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 16:16, January 20, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::Let me make it clear: there is no relationship between the interview and Smash aside from people looking too much into the words. It's the same as the interpretation leak. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 16:17, January 20, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::::All I'm saying is hold onto that post until it's officially addressed, like the interpretation leak eventually was. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 00:01, January 21, 2020 (EST) | |||
(reset indent) It has been addressed. It's a June 14, 2019 interview, and we got a bunch of Doom stuff for the Switch, but no Doom Guy for Smash. Even if he is FP2, why would Peter tease him when barely half of FP1 has been announced? Plus, not all rumors are always addressed: would we still keep this even if Peter never said anything else about Smash in the future? [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 15:28, January 21, 2020 (EST) | |||
:Not quite, everything announced for Switch was also multi-platform. Not exactly a surprise. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 20:43, January 21, 2020 (EST) | |||
::That could have been the "surprise" he was referring to; The word itself is subjective. Nevertheless, this point has basically been made void at this point and should be removed. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:28, January 22, 2020 (EST) | |||
::: There we go, I've updated both posts with official comments from the Doom Eternal director that dropped ''today''. Just wanted that official word. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 11:30, January 22, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::Just so you know, not all misinterpreted statements will get an official word from someone. Anyways, now that there is confirmation, point should be removed along with the rest I pointed out. | |||
::::While I'm on it, there's a [[Forum:Major overhaul for "List of rumors"|forum post]] talking about the list of rumors page. Would love some feedback. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:33, January 22, 2020 (EST) | |||
(reset indent) I've thought for sometime that the Sora rumor could probably be deleted, as it's literally a misinterpretation. Thoughts? [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 12:11, January 22, 2020 (EST) | |||
:I guess so, since no one really remembers it as well. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:19, January 22, 2020 (EST) | |||
== "Doom/Super Mario RPG Mii Costume" edit == | |||
For some reason, I'm not allowed to edit the Rumors page, but can someone remove the "In a January 2020 interview Doom Eternal director Marty Stratton revealed that the Doom team hadn't been approached by Nintendo about Doomguy appearing in Super Smash Bros. calling into question the validity of this leak." from the section I used in the title? This line was in reference to the supposed Cacodemon Mii head from the supposed leak yet it literally has no relation to it at all. Doomguy doesn't need to be added in order for costumes based on Doom to exist. | |||
[[User:Pizzasoda66|Pizzasoda66]] ([[User talk:Pizzasoda66|talk]]) 20:13, January 30, 2020 (EST) | |||
:The line says "calling into question the validity of this leak". It's not 100% de-confirming anything. Regardless, the Doomguy dismissal is a significant blow against any Doom content arriving in Smash, and it should be kept in its current state, unless some Doom content i.e. Cacodemon costume, does wind up being announced for Smash in the future. [[User:IPDude|The One IP Dude]] ([[User talk:IPDude|talk]]) 11:08, February 3, 2020 (EST) | |||
== Ubisoft Sam bot smash ultimate == | |||
https://twitter.com/RaymanForSmash/status/1253147215243218944 So Ubisoft's bot, Sam cannot say anything about super smash bros ultimate DLC as of April 22nd, 2020, should this be added to the rumors page? [[User:Andreepika11233|Andreepika11233]] ([[User talk:Andreepika11233|talk]]) 09:21, April 24, 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Move the redirect [[Rumors]]== | |||
Consensus: Let me hear your opinions on this article. Should it be moved? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 17:27, April 28, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:[[Leak]] currently has a discussion to move it to "List of confirmed/notable leaks". Renaming this page to "Rumor" honestly sounds awful. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 14:41, April 29, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:An open discussion to move this page is already here some sections up. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 15:04, April 29, 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Bigby Wolf== | |||
I get that there's little reason to believe someone like Bigby Wolf from The Wolf Among Us would get in, but I feel it'd still be worth putting in the list of rumors. | |||
On March 31st, Marcus Sellars (yes, I know) claimed that Bigby Wolf would be one of the characters in the Pass. | |||
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Sellars/status/1245139968764321792 | |||
Admittedly, he DID get something relating to The Wolf Among Us happening at last year's VGAs right. | |||
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Sellars/status/1199752059773497346 | |||
Following that, on April 3rd, VGCultureHQ covered this rumor, even stating that they've "corroborated it with one of [their] sources", seemingly trying to verify that what Marcus Sellars is saying is correct. | |||
http://vgculturehq.com/rumor-new-super-smash-bros-ultimate-dlc-character-revealed/ | |||
And finally, on April 23rd, a new user by the name of "srallessucram" (which may or may not be Sellars himself given it's his name backwards) posted what appears to be bits of Bigby Wolf's reveal trailer on Imgur. | |||
https://imgur.com/gallery/Sd3YTYF | |||
I very much doubt this thing, but it's still worth documenting at least. ([[User:GoldenYuiitusin|GoldenYuiitusin]] ([[User talk:GoldenYuiitusin|talk]]) 23:36, May 9, 2020 (EDT)) | |||
:Marcus Sellars has been proven false multiple times, and as such we do not add any of his supposed "leaks". [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:49, May 9, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::No offence, but that seems ass-backwards when there's MORE than just Sellars' word here. There's a second claim and footage. ([[User:GoldenYuiitusin|GoldenYuiitusin]] ([[User talk:GoldenYuiitusin|talk]]) 23:58, May 9, 2020 (EDT)) | |||
:::Hey chill. He's just saying because Marcus Sellers is unreliable the chances of this being false is high. Even rumors that have multiple claims have been proven false, after all how many rumors have you heard about Geno being playable, yet it never happened. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 00:05, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::All I said is that it was ass-backwards, a phrase that is officially recognized in the English dictionary to mean "ludicrously disordered". No need to tell me to "chill", bro. That is the absolute quickest way to ''legitimately'' piss someone off. | |||
:::This is not comparable to what you're saying anyway. This is someone with a (not going to deny) shaky track record saying something only for a secondary source to say "yes, this is correct" and video footage that relates to said claim that ''several gaming sites are covering as a rumor''. Regardless of whether it's legit or not (which it most likely isn't but still), this page is supposed to be about notable rumors. Regardless of who said it first, ''this is a notable rumor that is going around and should be included on the page.'' | |||
:::So yes, I would say refusing to cover it just because "Marcus Sellars said it first" is indeed ass-backwards and sorry if that phrase offends you. ([[User:GoldenYuiitusin|GoldenYuiitusin]] ([[User talk:GoldenYuiitusin|talk]]) 00:24, May 10, 2020 (EDT)) | |||
::::The only difference between this and his others is that he has a backup source. Many rumors can have a backup source, but are still proven false. Most places I looked don't say much about whether it's real or false, in fact most say it's false. Unless it becomes widespread across the internet I don't believe it's that notable. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 00:56, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::So after doing more research I'll analyse whether it fits with our rumors guidelines: | |||
:::::"''Notability of rumors should involve either having significant speculation and/or spread in the community (such as large threads on SmashBoards or coverage by notable gaming-related newssites), or have a notable characteristic that differentiates them from other rumors.''" | |||
::::As far as I know this has no large threads spreading speculation on sites other than on his Twitter claim, and even there almost everyone was saying "fake". For differentiates characteristics the only notable thing is that a leaker with a bad reputation has a backup claim saying it's true. That doesn't really make it worth putting on this page unless he made previous claims and [[Vergeben leaks|all but one]] of them were true. | |||
::::If you ask me this is more of a fad (a rather small one at that) because he had a second claim saying it's true. This isn't worth it if you ask me. And don't worry I ain't offended, and yeah admittedly "chill" wasn't the best way to put it I guess, but it just seemed you were upset because it was shot down quickly. A geneal tip: saying something that would potentially offend someone is not the best way to reply. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 01:31, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::What’s the secondary source? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 15:06, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::And I admit, that Imgur source looks real, but not enough to be convincing. [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 15:11, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
I should probably elaborate more on my opinion so that it's not "ass-backwards." | |||
#Get a few things right =/= leaker. As I said before, Marcus Sellars has gotten loads of things wrong, including [https://twitter.com/connoreatspants/status/980101911587192833 covering a purposefully false leak] and [https://twitter.com/Marcus_Sellars/status/1047742974388592641 the pro Switch model]. Just because he got The Wolf Among Us reveal at TGA right doesn't mean he's 100% credible when it comes to that game. I predicted Inkling and Simon Belmont getting into the next Smash game before the game was teased; does that make me a credible leaker? | |||
#If you take a second and read the VGCulture article, not only mostly bias towards Marcus Sellars, but literally anyone can say that they "corroborated it with one of our sources." Frankly, it's very naive to assume that anyone who states that is actually telling the whole truth. | |||
#As for the Imgur, you can see it loop itself right at the end. Not only that, but anyone with the right tools can fake Smash reveals. | |||
I don't have to elaborate much on our guidelines as well as it's been stated above, but simply put this rumor is most likely fake and is not as notable as other rumors. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 15:36, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:The Imgur video is very obviously fake. Any person who has watched any of the official Smash reveals for Ultimate should know that this is completely fabricated. Why are we wasting our time discussing this? As for Sellars, one iffy source doesn't mean we should add it to the article. [[User:KungFuLakitu|KungFuLakitu]], [[User talk:KungFuLakitu|Spiny Overlord]] 15:47, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:(edit conflict) As for your point that "several gaming sites are covering as a rumor," I quickly looked it up and there are only a few websites that covered the "leak," and those websites have covered several erroneous and non-notable leaks in the past, mostly for the clicks. If a bigger news network covered it, then it would be more notable. | |||
:A final point I forgot to mention: Bigby Wolf's a comic book character. Sakurai has stated many times that Smash is only for video game characters, most recently [https://www.dailyesports.gg/masahiro-sakurai-confirms-iron-man-and-goku-are-not-coming-to-smash/ just last year]. Goku's known to be in many video games, most recently the popular fighting game DragonBall FighterZ, and Iron Man has appeared in the Nintendo-exclusive Marvel Alliance 3, yet they aren't even considered for Smash. There is basically a 0% chance that Bigby will even get in. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 15:51, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
Yeah... so clearly we are not putting this on the page, so let's just end this discussion here before things get out of hand. Everything that needs to be said has been said so there's no reason to continue this. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 17:33, May 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||